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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: anmirza

So I assume using the word characterless would be a better option going by these standards. If a writer is uncomfortable then I believe they should set a code of conduct for the readers who comment coz I will again repeat that referring a character as something does not mean that a reader isn't liking the story it is just that they have their opinions about the characters...and as far as Tanya as concerned she can definitely open up to me with that...I may not be her bff but I have been a loyal reader and have seen her grow as a writer so I don't see any problems opening up to someone who you share a somewhat comfort zone with! Henceforth I would want to request writers to please let readers know that they won't appreciate certain words rather than feeling offended and upset!



Hello

Firstly I guess you have a wrong assumption there that I am speaking for Tanya. I am speaking what I saw happening on this forum for over 2 years now. My topic is in general. I am not pin pointing towards a signal reader.

Secondly, the writers are already getting bashed on personal level by few readers so I dont know what the result would be if they start putting notes. Many in fact did yet readers have come and posted only negative comments despite writers saying if they are uncomfortable with their writing they are welcome to leave the story. You or I really dont know what type of pms or comments the writer gets on their thread cos we come, read the update, like, comment and go. It's writers who are pmed constantly asking them to make changes in their story. A note changes nothing as long as it isn't related to the writer shifting their story to blog.

Lastly, I hope I have cleared the misconception you had that I am talking for anyone here.
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Posted: 10 years ago
@anky_s : For some reason I am unable to quote you so replying to your comment without quoting you.

I agree with all your points Anky. Specially when I dont read books, I have myself learnt a lot from stories that had been written excellently. People should definitely give chance to such stories as well not only cos they are narrated in a perfect language but also cos the concept are good. I try my best in spreading stories that are amazing. Have got many friends on FB whom I tag when I come across different concepts and vice verse.

I actually dont know on what basis a reader decides to read a particular story. Cos I even doubt if a reader reads a story with passion that a writers type it with? There are very few readers who read stories for the sake of it. Just cos they get their MG. I read cos I look beyond MG now. Maybe I am over that craziness for MG and take a story as a writer wants to tell us. Every story that I have read has been a lesson for me and for that I will always be thankful to all those writers.


Guess readers just have to be open minded while reading a story. I am sure they will enjoy all those different concepts that has been tried by few writers here. Sometimes I even feel if all those out of the box concepts were written on random characters they would have got the desired feedback. Cos then readers would be able to understand the story without having to love their favorite characters.

For ex : Something like cheating and rape is forgiven if done by Maa. But you will obviously get the right reaction from readers if it is shown to be done by some random character.

You show Geet being in an abusive relationship with random character, readers will want to see her moving on, respect herself, grow a spine. But you show her being in an abusive relationship with Maan, there would be hardly few readers who would love to see her moving on.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: sophiexx


Ok now this is a highly heavy topic and usually i refrain myself from taking part sinceI prefer the jolly and naive side of me. But that being said, i have also been brought up to stand by what i believe in and me being a feminist doesn't help either lol.

Firstly apologies, the writers not getting their due credit is a huge problem I've come to realise in my short arrival here and although i joined in 2012 but i became an active member early this year/late lastyear. So I'm SORRY but i had my reasons,
  1. first and foremost online grooming- i heard it all and didn't want to be part of it, dont get me wrong, im strong and in that sense alert but still didn't want none of it (pervert just creep me out- watched alot of crime watch in my time) since i also realise im naive and innocent. In high school there were posters every where about the subject and some of my friends were also targetted hence i think its valid. i was young when i joined
  2. Iwanted to maintain anomalous hence i liked being the secret individual but i broke this act of mine for Avi's Locket and then realised how much it hurts the writers so making up for that really by commenting in all FF's that i read now but unfortunately most of the writers have gone like Dia, Laxmi and some others that i read in my early arrivals
  3. I know point 2 is quite shallow but in my defence i wasn't exactly here for 2-3 years due to exams and life itself.

Now coming to the other problem, gender equality. I actually made a profile for this one ff and you needed to be member for it. It was based on the concept of child marriage, i think and then Maan marrying Sam and straight out rejecting Geet who was formally his wedded wife. I liked the storyline and wanted to be part of it, naturally. But then i didnt like the characteristation of geet, it was almost as if she's forcing herself to a man who rejected her. I didn't like how she stood by him even after he mistreated her and then him getting closer to her just because Sam wasn't giving him attention. So i stopped reading when i had enough, i felt that this Geet had no self respect or pride, just my thought. I'm not into forced reading, Forced Love is the only forced thing i do lol. I can't read somthing i don't agree with, hence now if i come across a story i liked but then later discovered i dont like it no more then i try to focus on the postitivies and comment only on that, not wating to hurt the writer and then eventually give up silently if things dont pick up.

Myjourney on GF continued reading adaptations of similar stories where Geet loves Maan since childhood and Maan loves another, for me Geet waiting serveral years while Maan is enjoying his life, wasn't acceptable. In clear words, i didn't like it what so ever. The question always popped into my head what if the partner never died or left, then Maaneet would have never been together hence in those circumstances i always preferred Geet to move on. Initailly i thought this may be a cultural difference, in the west we don't pin our hopes on one guy and there's a saying there's plenty more fish in the sea. But then that being said i came across You and Me Collide by Jazz i think and i loved this story even with Maaneet not ending up together, for me its the character and how deserving they are for each other. Dont get me wrong i love a happy ending and Maaneet happy equals me happy but not at the cost of right and wrong. Then i came across Saaya (Dia), Falling for you (Jannatfiction) and more recently It takes two (Kawaii_geet). i'm a sucker for arranged marriage so i naturally get pulled that way. But these stories were inspiring, i liked the fact that even after a huge set back Geet never gave up and gained an eduation and focused on her career which i can relate to since i'm so into making it big in this world lol. Well at least into eduaction and then maybe make myself successful in my career. Back to the stories, yes in the end Maan was respecting and encouraging but Geet for me was the focus point. Hence i loved allthem. Falling for you and Saaya are such innocent plots and simple stories but realistic.

The mention of a rapist,abusive and volatile Maan is unacceptable for me. I have a broad mind but for Geet to forgive this crime is in itself, especially if he hasn't shown any redemption or at least what i can accet logically anyway. Me being a Big Drashti Dhami i followed her to the other show but stopped afterwards, believe it was hard but i just couldn't imagine a girl who would forgive a man who played, used, humiliated and then handcuffed her. Then the junior story was far worse, with her being raped. It was far beyond the line for me. So according to if the main character does such heinous crime then he should be made to pay up for it. i believe in a simple saying 'if you've done the crime thenyou must do the time'. Also rapist just tops the scale so i avoid such concepts. However i did read Dreams (by i dont know who), this for me was a first but in the end i did end up happy with Maaneet being togther, i dont know why. Frankly speaking it was one of the first FF's i read so was very naive but for me at that time i thought he paid for his sins through guilt and then separation. Obviosuly now, if i were to read it again i may change my opinion. i dont really know. Rescuing Heaven would be a more recent but different story that I'm reading, no Maan here is a gem of a person but someone who chose his country before love. I still dont know whether ilike that or hate it, but dont love it for sure especially considering its aftermath. Although i dont blame him for it, but still as of now don't have it in my heart to forgive even after his heroic rescue. But i stilllove this Maan but not for Geet until he apologises properly anyway.

Coming to a bold, outspoken, carefree Geet. Well like most other readers i dont mind reading about such Geets. But the problem with me is i dont read behind the bedroom door scenes. I prefermy mind to be pollution free, as it is i read kissing scene which is a step too far but being here made me 'Besharam' as you lot would say it lol. Hence bold Geet would equal to Bold scene's so again i ignore such stories with high chances of all of that, can't name it sorry. But i like differences in characters and i think most readers do: I did an independent Geet whofights her own battles and doesn't need a knight to save her yet with Into the dark, yes i think i've boredmy readerswith the late entry of Maan but still they stuck by, at least the loyal ones did. Then it was Transport love, a bimbo, heiressGeet which i personally loved since most my friends fall into that category and then a timid and scared Geet with Forced Love. All Maans are also different in these FF's fromhurted to flirt toevil and dark. Hence as a reader and on behalf of many readers i would like to say most of us like a variety and some readers are really encouaging as well, so thank you.However Ilove independant and in control Geet. Since i'm like that so i agree that reference point is crucial, most readers want to identify themselves with Geet and that is understandable. So naive, innocent and witty Geet's I love.

Side characters, i dont mind. Locket (Avi) i read every single update and personally liked the stories of other chacacters mainly Dev-Naina, Meghna and Methili

But the most shocking thing was HATE MAILS and i thought it was all rosy here, this actually scared me but so far my readers have been really understandingandi love them for that. I dont understand why anyone would do that, if you dont like something ignore and move on. Ignorance is a bliss- so readers ignore FF's you dont like and writers ignore negtive feedback, dont let it stop you from telling your story. But that been said do notget bullied intodoing things you wouldn'tdo otherwise. Seriously spooked out with the HATE MAILS don't make no sense to me.

Lastly thank you Sanjana (i dont know if you would like me being first name basis, sorry if you don't)for such a important issue. Gender equality and writers freedom should be supported and not supressed. If Shakepaeres wasn't shut down for Romeo and Juliet (not a happy ending) or Merry Shelly's Frankenstien for unethical plots then our writerstoo should be given the chance to build their story according to their like.

A big, big thanks to all writersfor you all I startedreading normal novel's and came across my fav PS. I love you and Shopaholic series, credit goes to the Maaneet FF's since it started from here or else i did most assignments watching the movies lol.

ps. please dont take offense of anything i said, i generally dont like making anyone upset so sorry but i simply referred to myself as a girl and what i expect from society. Sorry i did waffle on abit.

Enjoy the long week ahead
P double S. lol - sanjana are you an physiology student, its interesting how you're trying to understand thementality and general thought process of the audience. I would love to give your story a try but before that Ihave a reading list, so sorry it'll be on hold for a while and I concur to the message above live and let live, also have a great week
P treble S. Sorry its really long but Women or Girl power is taken seriously in my household

too should be given the chance to build their story according to their like.


Wowww that was a big reply I got there. Well thanks for dropping in and posting your thoughts. I absolutely liked reading your experience on GF as whole.

I am a very egoist and proud girl myself so I anyway hate those Geet who cannot stand for herself. I dont mind her being selfless and big hearted girl as long as she respect herself first. I can't stand Geet who is spineless and so much in love that she is literally turned blind still loving Maan unconditionally. He comes abuses her, humiliates her, manhandle her, use her to make other girls jealous and then reading that she still forces herself on Maan is something I cannot stand as well. First I used to taking it as a mere story but now I dont. Simply cos hardly Maan is shown repenting after behaving so harshly with Geet and treating her like a trash. I feel him undeserving and that can never make me ship MG no matter what. So totally stopped reading such stories altogether. Cos even readers demand writers to show MG getting back asap cos they can't see their MG in pain and separated. So a writer is forced to change her plot and cut short it as well which leaves me disappointed.

I so agree with your second para. I feel in today's world no girl pins for a guy for years to come in India as well. They move on the moment they get love from somewhere else. But that doesn't mean that just cos they have decided to move on they do not love that guy. Moving on can also be cos they want to be happy, to feel loved as well, to be cared and showered with affection. After all who doesn't want to be loved? Everyone craves for it.

You and Me Collide is the only story I haven't read by Jaz cos it's incomplete. But I do know the story of it as I have a friend who read it and shared it with me. I was surprised to know that in that story MG were not going to end up together and the writer decided to have Maan-Sam till end and Geet marry Adi. That needed guts and I applaud Jaz for it. I am sure if I were on forum back then I would have shipped Maan-Sam together cos for me too MG ending up together doesn't matter too. If a story is justified and characters are in love with some other then I would respect the writer's vision and appreciate it as well. I too can't ship a couple over my right and wrong, not until that character redeems.

For me any day an educated, independent and strong Geet would do than her being total naive and not knowing the outside world type character cos I can't relate to the latter category.

Lets not even get started with DD's MB. That show was pathetic after a point and MB was nothing but a doormat and spineless character to me. I am a big DD fan as well but in no way I could tolerate her being hand cuffed to bed, humiliate and manhandled in front of all. The so called revenge track was the start of the doom. The second season was disgusting to say the least. Showing the protagonist raping the female lead character was worse. The show was a total misogynist given how the producer is a sadist. He is obsessed showing male lead as grey character.

Haven't read Dreams but I do know the writer, it's by Muskaan. I have read only one rape story so far with Maan being the rapist and it had disturbed me to no end. The fact that Geet was shown falling in love with Maan made me swear never to read a story where Maan is the rapist. It's creepy.

I did read Rescuing Heaven but half. Till the Leh trip I guess where Maan has interviews and meet different peoples while on his rally. After that I was off from IF for more than month and when I returned I kind of lost track. But soon I plan to reread it from start to connect with the story cos it is one the best written story on IF. Just few days back I was discussing this story with my friend who is reading it and we had a good chat over it. Maan-Geet equation, Dev's part in their love story to Maan's love for his Kashmir. But then even Geet loves Kashmir and in no way she would want Maan to choose her over their "jannat". Though my friend didn't shared the twist with me and I am glad about it cos I dont wanna spoil the story for myself. Having said that I dont know what exactly Maan did in that story so I can neither support him nor say he is wrong. However I do remember being a bit mad at him for taking Geet for granted. Okay, I better stop there cos I am obviously getting distracted. Once I start discussing stories there is in no way I will stop.

So you are a writer as well? Wow. You started commenting after reading The Locket and now you are writing your own story. Must thank Avi for getting this hidden talent out of people. As you are a writer yourself, no better than a writer would understand that trying their hand at different concepts and plots helps them grow as writers.

LOL @ your innocent mind getting polluted by behind the door scenes. So you haven't ever read a 18+ update on MG? Would be shocked if the answer is yes given the list of stories you mentioned in your comment.

Guess ignorance is not bliss for everyone. Few readers love to get personal and bash writer just cos they tried something different with Geet's character. Few definitely have taken "Maan Ki Geet" tag quite seriously.

I don't mind you addressing me as Sanjana. I loved the point you made about famous author. If they were supported by people for their stories then why not our forum writers?

I am not a physiology student. I just talked on something I noticed happening for 2 years now. Seen readers giving two different reactions over a similar situation just cos the character names were changed which confused me. So thought to ask it in open.

Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts. It was great to know that there are people who do see above their favorite characters and support what is right and oppose when someone is wrong.

-Sanjana!
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: BrainEaterOwl



Hello

Firstly I guess you have a wrong assumption there that I am speaking for Tanya. I am speaking what I saw happening on this forum for over 2 years now. My topic is in general. I am not pin pointing towards a signal reader.

Secondly, the writers are already getting bashed on personal level by few readers so I dont know what the result would be if they start putting notes. Many in fact did yet readers have come and posted only negative comments despite writers saying if they are uncomfortable with their writing they are welcome to leave the story. You or I really dont know what type of pms or comments the writer gets on their thread cos we come, read the update, like, comment and go. It's writers who are pmed constantly asking them to make changes in their story. A note changes nothing as long as it isn't related to the writer shifting their story to blog.

Lastly, I hope I have cleared the misconception you had that I am talking for anyone here.


I am sorry if I had given the impression that u were speaking for someone else. What I intended to say that all of this arose from Come Undone's last update and Facebook post that followed. This post also seemed to have been linked to that, to me at least. It seemed like there were a lot of people who got offended only because of people expressing their opinions. My apologies if I had offended u as well

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