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Posted: 10 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: anky_s






I understand and agree with your POV, I just meant once in a while a writer - rrader interaction would only strengthen the bond... it will make readers realise that they need to be accountable...and it will boost the response. The problem arises when either of concerned party refuse to think from other's POV. If both reader and writer think from each other's POV keeping aside their egos, then I'm sure this matter can be resolved easily!


And for "tehelka.com" Google it darling, you'll know all about it. Just so you know, the tehelka.com fiasco had brought aneearthquake in Indian politics mainly. 😆



I think I agree with you there. It would be good if once a while writers come on their thread to chat or simply discuss their own story and characters with readers. Answer readers doubts. It will surely make writers and readers connect and understand each other more.

Oh okay, I am not much into politics. Will google it and see. 😆

-Sanjana!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankyyy

Firstly thank you for such an awesome post..
It was really needed in this forum for the silent and biased readers to actually understand a writer's perspective too...

About like and comment I like seriously dont know what to say...
When the writer's threat the readers about shifting the story to the blog or making the blog private then automatically likes and comments increases to an extent that at times its just double of the present like and comments and it's actually quite shocking to see that soo many readers out there are reading the story but still they can't take out few minutes to comment...

And about being biased between maan and geet it will be wrong on my part to say that I have not been partial towards maan but not always...

I really have forgiven maan at times even if he has done something very offensive like raping geet or manhandling her or for being a Casanova and sleeping around BUT only when the writer's have shown him truly repenting for the deeds that he has done in the past and is truly in love with geet and is wanting to do anything and everything so that he gets forgiven by geet and promises to keeps geet happy always...

But yes when in a story maan has done or is doing wrong with geet and is no where to realise his mistakes then he has been bashed by me a lot...
In this case am not partial when he thinks only of himself and treats geet like she is just nothing in his life and I do hate him at that point of time...
And it's not like every time I want maan to be forgiven for his deeds, I only want it if geet is also willing to do it but ya when maan is shown that he is truly sorry and is in pain then I want geet to at least clear consider it...

If geet has been shown selfish, arrogant and the one who is just using maan then I have bashed her character too but also when she realises her mistakes and is willing to rectify it then I have supported her too...

Basically I want both maan and geet to get a second chance only when I feel they truly deserve it...
But yes there are some stories where I have hated or even hating maan from the core of my heart and I want to geet to move on from him for her own good but I hardly remember any story when I would be wanting maan to move on from geet [excpet in the middle of some stories when geet is shown to be too full of herself only and is shown that she doesn't care for maan a bit]

In almost every story we get to see a new maan and but the experiments done to geets character is very less in comparison to the experiments done to maan's character soo may be coz as you said people really start bashing geet's character or say not able to accept geet to be like a grey shaded character or something like that...

But yes there are some writers who experiments a lot with both the characters and I love reading those stories too...



Exactly. The reason why a writer threat to shift the story to blog is simple. They just have to check their views which are sky high. That makes them to threaten so thet too know who are reading their story. If reader is still continuing reading it means they are liking so why not comment?

I have accepted Maan with his flaws as well but only when he repents else I have left the story cos I can't see Geet loving him like an idiot whereas he is only humiliating and giving her pain. The more Geet suffers the more I want Maan to redeem but sadly there have been very very less stories where he has truly repented. Most of the story he only has to shed few tears and all readers go like why can't Geet forgive and forget? Why can't she move on, it was all in the past. They can't see Maan in pain, but they surely didn't mind Geet's depression.

Readers demand writers to cut short his redemption so that they can get their MG happy. It has happened with writer in this forum. Then a writer is forced to change their track cos they obviously start losing their readers. Which ultimately has made me stop reading stories where Maan is shown grey or complete black. Cos I know what the future will be of those stories.

I wish readers starts being a little open minded towards Geet's character as well. It will make writers job far more easy. There are few who wants to genuinely experiment with her character but they are unable to.

Thanks for dropping in.

-Sanjana!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: -Mitu-

Hii sanjana

Don't know u but still your post title actually attrat me to peep on and really what a long post, you had posted about 2 issues with all points and depth.


For first one, yes I am also one of the writer, who had stopped posting any new story in gf nowadays. Infact shifred my some of the stories despite I have huge amount of readers but the problem is, only half comment on updates or other just read and left, than had audacity to ask updates and force me to write or give them blog link.. sighed I think this issue is now old and nothing is working in this issue because at last, I know if writer shift to blog... all of them have same 80 to 100 readers, yes they are common reders who always make sure to comment... so if a writer have 400 reader or just 100 readers at gf but ... comment sift 100 readers do, whic lead a writer to disinterest mode. So they shift to blog and get satisfactions and save themselves from rude commenrs as well or some readers mock for late updates too without under standing, all writer had life.


About 2nd issue


In ghsp show geet was never a virgin but victim, Maan is rude and gentle man.. so simply somewhere I too search such maan n geet in stoires too... I loved the genre geet... naive geet and intelligent maan, so I simply avoid very dark stories, no matter if geet is bad or maan.

Because it's hard for me to connect with such cs but that doesn't mean that anyone can go and force writer to change their plot or rude comment to discourage writer.

It isnalways a option to avoid but some people doesn't understand such things and startto being rude.



A message to all



If you have aome problem with me or writers please leave them, instead of making them upset, there is always option to ignore, Maybe you dont like blog or late update or upcoming twist etc... than just leave instead of posting rude comments or send pms. It's
A sincere rrequest of mine as it will surely solve many issues.being a writer I am not comfortable with some readers and being a reader.. I don't aappreciate some specific type of genre so I stay away from it.



This is my pov... all have different pov .. so I am sorry if someone is doesn't like it or agree with my post



Hey Mittu.

My point is same. If a reader doesnt like anything then they should ignore it instead of constantly nagging the writer and troubling them with their pms.

Thanks for commenting and putting forward your thoughts.

-Sanjana!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: Dragon-Heart

Yaha kafi heat up ho gaya hai issue. See guys i dont my comment is worthy or not but as a writer its my pov that when a writer thought of some plot he/she design the char and potrayed them like the way. He/she wasn't partial to anyone. Writer k liye uske char uski story ko badane k liye hote hai we used name MG coz here ppl love reading the storied revolves around them. But sometimes i felt that ppl turn so biast with respective char. Maan or Geet writer can potraid as per story line but readers react differntly. Even i saw when Maan do wrong abuse Geet ppl explained it his possessiveness but if Geet behave differnt then she get scold which truly made me shocked.
Virginity wala issue b maine face kiya tha. In my ss ILWS2,where Geet loose her virginity in her weak moment when she was emotionally broken. But one reader react so badly. She said that how can i write something like this. Girls should not potrayed like this. Geet was wrong and she should be careful. So my que when we accept casanova and rapist Maan then why not Geet?

Kya society ka har rule sirf girls k liye hai? Why boys dont followed them. Aise to jab Maan casanova hai to Geet ko bhi use accept nahi karna chahiye or move on hona chahiye.


My point is Maan or Geet they are char,through which writer reflect the thought mixed with aroma of society. Ppl should open their eyes and mind. Maan or geet k liye biast hone k bajaye stor k theam pe bhi focus kare.


Sorry if i hurt anyone.



Thank you for sharing your experience here. The more I am reading the more my point is being proven right here. At first I thought only few writers who have written on different genre has faced the outburst of readers but I am wrong.

Whenever Maan has done anything people try to understand him and give justifications but the moment Geet does something she is judged. That's the saddest part since mostly the readers are women themselves.

I can only hope that readers try to accept Geet in different roles and characteristics as well. Girls can be flawed too. No girl is perfect in this world and she has done her fair share of mistakes. The moment one readers realizes this simple fact and stop seeing girls as perfectionist and mahaanta ki murat, it will be much more easier for everyone.

-Sanjana!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: sdlife19



Ok... here my take on ur comment..

I still remember u were the one who had given a bad time when Maan had taken Geet back in Guzarish.. and u were against it saying geet does not deserve a chance and all shit coz she was staying with another man and all tat crap.. you even compared by imaginative Guzaarish which is a fiction to real life and said u would never give any person a second chance...

and now i get to know why u said it coz u believe in this so called history where man can f*** and sleep around but a girl shd be virgin and only stay with her husband even if he keeps hundred of mitresses or wives for his sexual pleasure right.. so sorry tat time i argued with u coz i did not know u hold such type of thoughts.. but alias now i know and m sorry.. but dear its my sincere request dont ever read or comment on my stories coz i dont entertain such readers for my fiction and nor do i believe in such shit where a man can f*** any no.of girls but a girl should always be true to her husband... and nor do i blame any girl when she gets raped... and yeah a question to you.. if you so believe in the so called history i do hope u dont wear any western clothes coz a person who believs and follows such things should be fully dressed and stay indoors not even work..

Sorry if m rude bt your comment forced me to say all this coz u speak shit and dont understand wat you say.. just coz u want to comment u do... at least first make sure u know wat u comment otherwise simply dont comment on anything...



yeah iduuno watever ur name is... did u really count how many readers are there in GF coz i have always seen u making post against writers and saying tat they dont update.. can u tell me how many FF u read tat u target all writers and say such things.

grrr i havent ever met or seen any girl who says such things... yuckkk..😡



Sorry Sajana if i ruined your post and have been rude here but this particular reader.. she just makes me react like this...I simply cant sit and accept such stupid thoughts from anyone

sounds like you people never give thought for another peoples thought
every coin has 2 side and u ask questions why people cant speak against maan if he is rapist if he is devil, if he is casanova, if he is polygamy...and i flash out my opnion about peoples thought not my thought, why it is so? secondly whenever it comes in story infidility or other -ve points of main charecter i equaly hated maan also, go and check , sonia k. s ff where maan left geet after using her for one night, and i wrote clearly that geet should be strong and should make him in remorse as much as she had suffer and i ask sonia to make geet charecters so strong that in future charecters like maan cannot underestimate women power, i ask her i want fighting geet not crying geet, that is my opnion on charecters, in gujarish i had apreciated your writing to the point you had created so much hatred in my heart for geet that i was not wanted to forgive her, and it was showing how good writer you were but again u took me negetive and fire me on my opinion i stop reading that ff i dont know what happen afterwards so miss sanjana every coin has 2 side, and every opnion has got diffrent outlook and as an writer and reader you should be sporty and answer accordingly it will increase respect in heart of people who give opnion as of their point of view not to jump in your own conclusion about their opnion, you could have just said ya i can understand your point of view but am not agreeing sorry. how other people feel good?and no ill feeling comes as we are here not for fighting but keep geet forum alve by serving some times spicy ,some times healthy articles in forum. so about your opinion on my opinion i will just say, it is my thinking and that is your thinking, i honored your opinion but i dont back out from my opnion. thanks for reply.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: anmirza

So I assume using the word characterless would be a better option going by these standards. If a writer is uncomfortable then I believe they should set a code of conduct for the readers who comment coz I will again repeat that referring a character as something does not mean that a reader isn't liking the story it is just that they have their opinions about the characters...and as far as Tanya as concerned she can definitely open up to me with that...I may not be her bff but I have been a loyal reader and have seen her grow as a writer so I don't see any problems opening up to someone who you share a somewhat comfort zone with! Henceforth I would want to request writers to please let readers know that they won't appreciate certain words rather than feeling offended and upset!


Okay for starters this was a thread where I shared my view in general, it was to do with gender biasedness and by the way Sanjana doesn't have to speak for me. She's given view generally. Like I've said to you in fb posts, your comments are harsher towards geet than Maan.

If you go back to revival, you'd hoped Maan has an excuse/explanation for cheating on Geet even if it wasn't justifiable. You didn't happen to call him anything there, not even throughout the ss.

And in Collide geet was called a sl*g, s**t whatever else for sleeping with men even before she was with Maan.

I'd only pointed out about being biased, believe me being a writer for 3 years I've come to know my readers a little through comments. You can't not say you're not biased,because me being a reader of readers comments I'd say you are. I could give you home example, innocently seduced examples, Tum meri ho examples. I don't in any way mean to offend you but I'm just pointing out since we've known each other as writer and reader I'm being open. I don't say such stuff where it's going to hurt readers, I let these comments slide past but that doesn't mean I'm happy with them.

As for putting notes for coc why would I post such a note when you've really been the only reader to call her such words. I happen to put indirect notes hoping readers would understand, I've always asked one to be open minded with my stories and characters. I've said it numerous times if you don't like characters then please feel free to read stories where you do read a story where characters and stories are likeable.

I've even said it to you the other day if a reader bashes characters throughout entire story then what is the point of reading story, I'd also mentioned I don't need readers to remind me how much one hates characters throughout the entire ff because I feel throughout the whole ff I've not been able to progress characters or show them in a different light.

Like in Come Undone, you happen to bring Geet's characterization from Collide and that hurts, I feel as if I've not shown progression in her. I feel discouraged despite many attempts of showing her strong, independent etc her past has been brought up.

And the saying, one does not recall the satisfied comments of readers but one dissatisfied comment is remembered. That goes for me and that is a flaw of mine which I know but I'm not afraid or worried to admit it. The saying I would say goes for quite a few writers in IF.





Edited by Jannat-Fictions - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#97
Awesome Post Sanjana.. 👍🏼
Actually I m quite agree with you ..
actually I too m the reader of the category in which you come.. I don't read such stories where Maan is everything other than a normal man..
I never understood the fact that hpw anyone can accept such person as a heor or most loved person..He commits crimes.. does every kind of sin but at last he gets the love of the readers and Geet as well..
If Maan does wrong nothing matters to anyone ..If Geet does wrong she is a shame in the name of women..But Still I think all is fare as everyone need something new or different in every stioy..If Maan is always gentle man and Geet is always innocent then How we will get a new concept..all will be same ...so it's the choice of the reader what they want to read.. so it's their decision completely..

When I started Punarvivah,,reader were mad on me..even some started to read and stopped as I made Geet married to Yash.. Because they only wanted Maaneet... and some who continued to read said that they are not liking Yash as Geet's hubby.. Please hurry up and bring Maan and Geet close.. but later they loved Yash as story continued and they even cried when Yash died.. But some were [astering me to know If Geet was virgin .. the n I asked them-Why Geet should be virgin .. She was not forced for this mrriage.. Though I kept Geet vergin as the reason for that totally different. But No one was aware of it Even Maan too did not knew if she was virgin as he aklways saw Yash and Geet happy with each other..so to think like that was completely foolish.. Readers want Geet vergin even she is willingly married to some other man other than Maan..

Now we talk about readers and writers
My bad luck sanjana.. I do not fall in any of the category you described..
I read only few stories as I m not having too much time after taking care of a big house without any domestic help and after typing my two stories.. But I try my best to comment on the selected stories which I m reading..

And as a writer too I m totally happy with the response I m getting on my ffs..
Actually My only fanda is..That I m writing the stories for my self and for my own satisfaction.. I started to write after a thought that It would be fine if I get 20 likes..If i get 20 like I will continue.. but the response was mind blowing and I m receivein new readers on my ffs even it's moving towards it's end..
and till now i did not get a single hate pm so don't know how it feels to get such pms..
I do not like to bag neither for the likes and comments as a writer nor for the PW of a protected blog as a reader.. and I m happy the way I m..

I think response is slow at the start as people do not want to start a new story and wit to see the response then the appreciation spread through the words of mouth and readers start to talk about the story and recommend their friend to read that as the story is good.. that's why response increases after few updates..

I appreciate your efforts Sanjana to have courage to open this thread... It can work as an eye opener for readers as well as for writers too..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#98
Alright, I think now people are deviating from main issue Sanjana has brought up!

People have started making it personal so let me clear that Sanjana has brought up a generalised issue and not personal. She raised something which is already spoken about but hadn't reached any solution.

Let me sum up them so people will focus again on issues.
1.) Lack of response from readers, here we intend to know the exact reason for this matter from both POVs.

2.) A request to read any FF or ss with an open, broad, unprejudiced mind set. Readers should not be biased towards any of the leads/ protagonists.

3.) Demanding only maaneet scenes and sidelining the supporting cast or characters in a story.

4.) If someone is unhappy with the way any ff or ss is going then no lashing out on writers or characters instead feel free to move on from that FF or ss!

I hope I'm able to summaries all issues here, forgive if not!

My personal opinion is readers should respond to stories which they are reading and liking. If they can appreciate the story in their minds then they can definitely put it in words as well. No harm in doing that, it will rather help you discover your writing skills too.

It is very important to be unbiased and have an broad mind set to read any piece of writing because if your mind is already clouded with certain thoughts then you are bound to be typecast. No one can enjoy a story or even a movie if they are not open to all ideas! One needs to understand that not everyone has similar thinking about everything. It is writer's creative liberty which should be respected. Please understand that a writer's POV or ideas are always influenced by his/her geographic and demographic conditions, so a conflict of thinking can be there but that doesn't mean that someone who disagree with writer's idea would start lashing out and abuses story or characters. You always have the option to leave!

A SPECIAL MENTION TO idunno or whatever is ur IF id, forgive if it's wrong.
Sweetie, I have seen your many comments on various FFs here and I have always noticed that you are always fussing over something or other. I haven't exactly seen you appreciating any ff or ss for that matter! You always have plenty of complaints regarding every story or writer and I just can't decipher the reason behind this behaviour. I can see where you are coming from. You might have been brought up in a atmosphere where women are being looked down upon, treated as trash or something. You might have been taught that women are just a pleasurable article or thing for men to use and enjoy and that women have no say in it. You might be coming from somewhere, where women arw deprived of their rights and freedom but let metell you that not everyone comes from same background as yours! I am a girl born in Rajasthan, but I never been deprived of anything. I'm a working woman now in national capital living alone!I'm self dependent and I absolutely take no shit from anyone. I make my own decisions and live life on my terms. So, please wake up! We are talking about women empowerment, women's uplifting in society, getting them their rights and equality and if you keep such thinkingthen it is very unfortunate. Itis really unfortunate that you yourself are being a hurdle in your own development. It is important to change your mind set. And please let me remind you that India is country which had produced legends like Rani Laxmibai, Sarojini Naidu, Lata Mangeshkar, Indira Gandhi, Sushmita Sen and many more and they are, in all senses, pride of the nation. So, sweetie if you don't agree with our thoughts than please move on!

Also, tell other than IF how many and which kind of novels or articles have you read so far. Please don't be shy to share with us!
God bless you!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: idunno

and about maan being ruthless ,and in anyform accepted by readers but not geet why...
then let me tell u one thing go back to history, our culture man can keep many women, they can have mistress ,they can get marry after women die but women should be always pure and pavitra and sanskari as as per our culture women is the main pionear of our kutumb system, our religion, sghe is giving good morals and athicks to children and follow all religious rituals, she is the one call as mother who has big contribution to keep family respect intect, and our socity, not only of hindu, but even western socity will not alove prostitute to be wife and mother of chldren and family, it is our socity's perception towards women, and no body will acept charecterless women to marry and expanding their family avalues and morals, where as man used to count main bread earner of socity if he do somthing wriong he will not become pregnant, so no body will know his wrong doing, and if he keeps many women his ego increases and he is called real macho man, his all crime forgivable, he can hit women,rape women,marital rape all things happening behind doors but men is not at fault in all condition women is ar fault and to change that perception we need to change socity's percewption towards women, and to be frank women is bugestenemy of women and she will be the first one who will throw out slirt women from their house.




@blue text -- Yes true, these are some of the reasons for the biased perception carried by some people towards women...and we get to read in news such incidents still happening at some places.

@red text -- I agree with you, such biased and wrong perception needs to be changed.



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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Flame_of_Forest



@blue text -- Yes true, these are some of the reasons for the biased perception carried by some people towards women...and we get to read in news such incidents still happening at some places.

@red text -- I agree with you, such biased and wrong perception needs to be changed.



i am so happy at least u understand what i am trying to say,i didnt put my opnion on the topic, i tried to explain that why this is happening and there are few writers are there who are writing with diffrant names and are so arrogant that they cant digest the true opinion and will always bombard on me by diffrant name but from writing i understant that the person is same, now i dont want to bother them, they just like commens," oh how good writer you are so amazing marvolous," like that you cant discuss charecters with them some one told me i am comming from remot area and i didnt have any previlage and i only read mg ff i dont have any knoledge of subject.

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