Discussion : Contradictory Thoughts??? - Page 9

Originally posted by: anmirza

I have no problems calling Maan a man wh**e where he is one so to me a writer should not get offended when Geet is called such. God forbid if the writer herself is being called names I would see that as a problem but writer having a problem with Geet being criticized????I am sorry but I won't agree. Also character being abused isn't equivalent to writer being bashed nor does that mean that readers aren't liking the story...I have read all of Tanya's stories n I have loved them...I may not like some characters but haven't bashed her ever coz why would anyone bash her even if they don't like the story so for me it's different. I hope we all agree to disagree :-)

Originally posted by: idunno

Originally posted by: BrainEaterOwl

You might not have a problem but a writer might feel uncomfortable. So shouldnt a reader avoid using such words? After all we are posting our comments on their threads and the least we could do is respect their request. Thats all.

Originally posted by: BrainEaterOwl

you give advise but u are not following i dont want to rgue what ever u wrote is right but u never commented when i wrote on ghsp family first time though u yourself wrote there and u comented each and every updates except mine one so i dont belive u didnt read it bt u kept silent, to be frank i donmt know u alsoi i started to know u from ghsp family ff , so it is easy to give advice but difficult to follow in own life, i wrote first time, and then i had realised people are only prasing few writers and only coment on them they dont wants new writer to write stories, i am not offended as even if one person dont read i dont care i wrote for my setisfection and non gf members had apreciated my writing in personal message as they dont belongs to anyforum and not reading this stories only i ask their opnion and they encourage me, though i am not type of person keep grudge on person, there are some writers i comment regularly even they dont reply for my quetions i see them as an person who are contributing somthing for some one not like who dont give anything but needs everything...so one thing i had realised tunde tunde mati bhinna...every human is diffrant and one cant force them to do things onecan request but cant force and one thing in real i think there are not many reader lefts for mg forums, for ex ghsp family ff came to drastic end as there are no readers ,or very very few readers left ,then also i gave update for my satisfection that we started somthing then accept chalanges and finish it dont live halfway...and i wrote it though the previous update has killed the very well layed plot but it is challange for writers or any newbie to explore their creatibvity and it is fun, on straight road it is very easy to drive but patchy road needs patient and if tthat patient if readers and writers bith shows they can come up with amazing product team work is very important in everyday life as well as in this forum also.thanks- and sorry if i had hurt anybodies feelings-and sory for mistakes as i havent edited this.

and about maan being ruthless ,and in anyform accepted by readers but not geet why...

then let me tell u one thing go back to history, our culture man can keep many women, they can have mistress ,they can get marry after women die but women should be always pure and pavitra and sanskari as as per our culture women is the main pionear of our kutumb system, our religion, sghe is giving good morals and athicks to children and follow all religious rituals, she is the one call as mother who has big contribution to keep family respect intect, and our socity, not only of hindu, but even western socity will not alove prostitute to be wife and mother of chldren and family, it is our socity's perception towards women, and no body will acept charecterless women to marry and expanding their family avalues and morals, where as man used to count main bread earner of socity if he do somthing wriong he will not become pregnant, so no body will know his wrong doing, and if he keeps many women his ego increases and he is called real macho man, his all crime forgivable, he can hit women,rape women,marital rape all things happening behind doors but men is not at fault in all condition women is ar fault and to change that perception we need to change socity's percewption towards women, and to be frank women is bugestenemy of women and she will be the first one who will throw out slirt women from their house.

Originally posted by: BrainEaterOwl

You know, I will give you another side here. There is one writer in our forum who has outstanding command over English and her writing is no less than a professional author. She even communicates with her readers but still the response on her stories are the lowest I would say.

Coming to the poor writing part. There was time when I suggested one writer's story to my FB friends, they came back to me saying they couldnt get past more than 2 updates cos the language was too hard to comprehend. So you see there are readers who like to read stories with simple English and dont go for a correct one. Sad but true.

Responses on poor writing stories, all I can say is, it is good that readers have given them chance and encouraged them as well. Cos there are few who might not go for presentation or a particular style of writing but, they do have good stories and concepts to tell. So why not support them? Wouldn't it be unfair that readers starts reading those stories which are perfect in all sense? If it doesnt matter to one about the poor writing, to each his own I would say.

About family ff. Well the problem was it had more than one writer. So obviously, every writer has different perception, different way of seeing the characters and different style of writing and presenting it. So not everyone could understand it and we of course failed in it. But it's okay, it was something Tanya tried to do to keep the forum going and have new writers pouring in. In that sense she succeeded.

@bold: Same. I dont comment if I dont like something cos I am afraid my honesty would hurt the writer. Rather than discouraging them with my comments I choose to leave it too. Cos you know if one writers has 100 readers and each of them praise the update but only 1 reader say they didn't like the update then that one comment stays forever. Those 100 praises are forgotten but 1 honest criticism stays which I avoid to do.

About the rest of your comment, frankly speaking even I dont know why good and out of the box concepts are not acceptable by the readers here. Maybe dqno1 comment can answer your confusion. Cos I personally love all type of concepts and read it with open mind.

Badmaash Dill is truly one of the best ongoing FFs but yes sadly the story is not getting the deserved response. And if you see the views of her thread then they are sky high. So even though some may have read it they obviously haven't commented on it.

-Sanjana!

Originally posted by: BrainEaterOwl

you give advise but u are not following i dont want to rgue what ever u wrote is right but u never commented when i wrote on ghsp family first time though u yourself wrote there and u comented each and every updates except mine one so i dont belive u didnt read it bt u kept silent, to be frank i donmt know u alsoi i started to know u from ghsp family ff , so it is easy to give advice but difficult to follow in own life, i wrote first time, and then i had realised people are only prasing few writers and only coment on them they dont wants new writer to write stories, i am not offended as even if one person dont read i dont care i wrote for my setisfection and non gf members had apreciated my writing in personal message as they dont belongs to anyforum and not reading this stories only i ask their opnion and they encourage me, though i am not type of person keep grudge on person, there are some writers i comment regularly even they dont reply for my quetions i see them as an person who are contributing somthing for some one not like who dont give anything but needs everything...so one thing i had realised tunde tunde mati bhinna...every human is diffrant and one cant force them to do things onecan request but cant force and one thing in real i think there are not many reader lefts for mg forums, for ex ghsp family ff came to drastic end as there are no readers ,or very very few readers left ,then also i gave update for my satisfection that we started somthing then accept chalanges and finish it dont live halfway...and i wrote it though the previous update has killed the very well layed plot but it is challange for writers or any newbie to explore their creatibvity and it is fun, on straight road it is very easy to drive but patchy road needs patient and if tthat patient if readers and writers bith shows they can come up with amazing product team work is very important in everyday life as well as in this forum also.thanks- and sorry if i had hurt anybodies feelings-and sory for mistakes as i havent edited this.

and about maan being ruthless ,and in anyform accepted by readers but not geet why...

then let me tell u one thing go back to history, our culture man can keep many women, they can have mistress ,they can get marry after women die but women should be always pure and pavitra and sanskari as as per our culture women is the main pionear of our kutumb system, our religion, sghe is giving good morals and athicks to children and follow all religious rituals, she is the one call as mother who has big contribution to keep family respect intect, and our socity, not only of hindu, but even western socity will not alove prostitute to be wife and mother of chldren and family, it is our socity's perception towards women, and no body will acept charecterless women to marry and expanding their family avalues and morals, where as man used to count main bread earner of socity if he do somthing wriong he will not become pregnant, so no body will know his wrong doing, and if he keeps many women his ego increases and he is called real macho man, his all crime forgivable, he can hit women,rape women,marital rape all things happening behind doors but men is not at fault in all condition women is ar fault and to change that perception we need to change socity's percewption towards women, and to be frank women is bugestenemy of women and she will be the first one who will throw out slirt women from their house.

Originally posted by: sophiexx

Ok now this is a highly heavy topic and usually i refrain myself from taking part since I prefer the jolly and naive side of me. But that being said, i have also been brought up to stand by what i believe in and me being a feminist doesn't help either lol.

Firstly apologies, the writers not getting their due credit is a huge problem I've come to realise in my short arrival here and although i joined in 2012 but i became an active member early this year/late last year. So I'm SORRY but i had my reasons,

1. first and foremost online grooming- i heard it all and didn't want to be part of it, dont get me wrong, im strong and in that sense alert but still didn't want none of it (pervert just creep me out- watched alot of crime watch in my time) since i also realise im naive and innocent. In high school there were posters every where about the subject and some of my friends were also targetted hence i think its valid. i was young when i joined
2. I wanted to maintain anomalous hence i liked being the secret individual but i broke this act of mine for Avi's Locket and then realised how much it hurts the writers so making up for that really by commenting in all FF's that i read now but unfortunately most of the writers have gone like Dia, Laxmi and some others that i read in my early arrivals
3. I know point 2 is quite shallow but in my defence i wasn't exactly here for 2-3 years due to exams and life itself.

Now coming to the other problem, gender equality. I actually made a profile for this one ff and you needed to be member for it. It was based on the concept of child marriage, i think and then Maan marrying Sam and straight out rejecting Geet who was formally his wedded wife. I liked the storyline and wanted to be part of it, naturally. But then i didnt like the characteristation of geet, it was almost as if she's forcing herself to a man who rejected her. I didn't like how she stood by him even after he mistreated her and then him getting closer to her just because Sam wasn't giving him attention. So i stopped reading when i had enough, i felt that this Geet had no self respect or pride, just my thought. I'm not into forced reading, Forced Love is the only forced thing i do lol. I can't read somthing i don't agree with, hence now if i come across a story i liked but then later discovered i dont like it no more then i try to focus on the postitivies and comment only on that, not wating to hurt the writer and then eventually give up silently if things dont pick up.

My journey on GF continued reading adaptations of similar stories where Geet loves Maan since childhood and Maan loves another, for me Geet waiting serveral years while Maan is enjoying his life, wasn't acceptable. In clear words, i didn't like it what so ever. The question always popped into my head what if the partner never died or left, then Maaneet would have never been together hence in those circumstances i always preferred Geet to move on. Initailly i thought this may be a cultural difference, in the west we don't pin our hopes on one guy and there's a saying there's plenty more fish in the sea. But then that being said i came across You and Me Collide by Jazz i think and i loved this story even with Maaneet not ending up together, for me its the character and how deserving they are for each other. Dont get me wrong i love a happy ending and Maaneet happy equals me happy but not at the cost of right and wrong. Then i came across Saaya (Dia), Falling for you (Jannatfiction) and more recently It takes two (Kawaii_geet). i'm a sucker for arranged marriage so i naturally get pulled that way. But these stories were inspiring, i liked the fact that even after a huge set back Geet never gave up and gained an eduation and focused on her career which i can relate to since i'm so into making it big in this world lol. Well at least into eduaction and then maybe make myself successful in my career. Back to the stories, yes in the end Maan was respecting and encouraging but Geet for me was the focus point. Hence i loved all them. Falling for you and Saaya are such innocent plots and simple stories but realistic.

The mention of a rapist, abusive and volatile Maan is unacceptable for me. I have a broad mind but for Geet to forgive this crime is in itself, especially if he hasn't shown any redemption or at least what i can accet logically anyway. Me being a Big Drashti Dhami i followed her to the other show but stopped afterwards, believe it was hard but i just couldn't imagine a girl who would forgive a man who played, used, humiliated and then handcuffed her. Then the junior story was far worse, with her being raped. It was far beyond the line for me. So according to if the main character does such heinous crime then he should be made to pay up for it. i believe in a simple saying 'if you've done the crime then you must do the time'. Also rapist just tops the scale so i avoid such concepts. However i did read Dreams (by i dont know who), this for me was a first but in the end i did end up happy with Maaneet being togther, i dont know why. Frankly speaking it was one of the first FF's i read so was very naive but for me at that time i thought he paid for his sins through guilt and then separation. Obviosuly now, if i were to read it again i may change my opinion. i dont really know. Rescuing Heaven would be a more recent but different story that I'm reading, no Maan here is a gem of a person but someone who chose his country before love. I still dont know whether i like that or hate it, but dont love it for sure especially considering its aftermath. Although i dont blame him for it, but still as of now don't have it in my heart to forgive even after his heroic rescue. But i still love this Maan but not for Geet until he apologises properly anyway.

Coming to a bold, outspoken, carefree Geet. Well like most other readers i dont mind reading about such Geets. But the problem with me is i dont read behind the bedroom door scenes. I prefer my mind to be pollution free, as it is i read kissing scene which is a step too far but being here made me 'Besharam' as you lot would say it lol. Hence bold Geet would equal to Bold scene's so again i ignore such stories with high chances of all of that, can't name it sorry. But i like differences in characters and i think most readers do: I did an independent Geet who fights her own battles and doesn't need a knight to save her yet with Into the dark, yes i think i've bored my readers with the late entry of Maan but still they stuck by, at least the loyal ones did. Then it was Transport love, a bimbo, heiress Geet which i personally loved since most my friends fall into that category and then a timid and scared Geet with Forced Love. All Maans are also different in these FF's from hurted to flirt to evil and dark. Hence as a reader and on behalf of many readers i would like to say most of us like a variety and some readers are really encouaging as well, so thank you. However I love independant and in control Geet. Since i'm like that so i agree that reference point is crucial, most readers want to identify themselves with Geet and that is understandable. So naive, innocent and witty Geet's I love.

Side characters, i dont mind. Locket (Avi) i read every single update and personally liked the stories of other chacacters mainly Dev-Naina, Meghna and Methili

But the most shocking thing was HATE MAILS and i thought it was all rosy here, this actually scared me but so far my readers have been really understanding and i love them for that. I dont understand why anyone would do that, if you dont like something ignore and move on. Ignorance is a bliss- so readers ignore FF's you dont like and writers ignore negtive feedback, dont let it stop you from telling your story. But that been said do not get bullied into doing things you wouldn't do otherwise. Seriously spooked out with the HATE MAILS don't make no sense to me.

Lastly thank you Sanjana (i dont know if you would like me being first name basis, sorry if you don't) for such a important issue. Gender equality and writers freedom should be supported and not supressed. If Shakepaeres wasn't shut down for Romeo and Juliet (not a happy ending) or Merry Shelly's Frankenstien for unethical plots then our writers too should be given the chance to build their story according to their like.

A big, big thanks to all writers for you all I started reading normal novel's and came across my fav PS. I love you and Shopaholic series, credit goes to the Maaneet FF's since it started from here or else i did most assignments watching the movies lol.

ps. please dont take offense of anything i said, i generally dont like making anyone upset so sorry but i simply referred to myself as a girl and what i expect from society. Sorry i did waffle on abit.

Enjoy the long week ahead

P double S. lol - sanjana are you an physiology student, its interesting how you're trying to understand the mentality and general thought process of the audience. I would love to give your story a try but before that I have a reading list, so sorry it'll be on hold for a while and I concur to the message above live and let live, also have a great week

P treble S. Sorry its really long but Women or Girl power is taken seriously in my household