B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG

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Cotswolds

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Posted: 11 years ago

#221

Well said Sabhayata.. 👏 Agree with all your points..

And now I know why you are also called Yudhi's fan no 1.. 😆

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#222

Originally posted by: Cotswolds

You got a point there.. 😛

I think we are on same side on this one.. I too believe in Karna military prowess and kmg clearly shows how Karna had an upper hand even after his chariot stuck and even after he was finding it difficult to summon divyastra. He still managed to make arjuna unconscious.. 👏

I just thought that citation by krishna does not validate anything.. The battle amply proves his great skills, bravery, strict adherence to warrior code of conduct.⭐️

Well yeah, I just want to say that just Krishna's words do not validate anything be it his sin count or praising, incidence have to be applied rather than solely and brainlessly depending on a dialogue.

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smrth

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Posted: 11 years ago

#223

Varaali,

Once again an accurate explanation. It's foolish to 'assume' his words at their face value when they are spoken in an apparent contradiction of his known aversions. And equally foolish to 'assume' them loaded with ulterior motives when slapped straight on the 'face'. The answers, in both cases, are obvious 'context', intent and purport ( explaining this umpteenth time and with numerous examples, like the one you cited). Which is what we- or anyone with open eyes- can derive . From the FACTUAL description of the circumstances and his deportment; the final denouncement thrown in a rage (addressed to K not A) - a reply to Karna's evasive plea - 'kva te Dharmas tada gatah' - with utmost contempt.🤢

since now we are addicted on 'wasting our time' (blame this time is on you, why did you bring such 'compelling' example?!😛) and this time it's a pleasure to 'waste', while responding your sensible analysis.😆 Here is my rejoinder..😃

"The instruction received by them hath been equal. Bhima, however, is possessed of greater might, while the son of Dhritarashtra is possessed of greater skill and hath laboured more. If he were to fight fairly, Bhimasena will never succeed in winning the victory.."

what is he meaning here? Praise of 'Duryodhan's prowess'? That he is better than 'best' ?! 😕- Again caution is the need of the hour. Yudi's trust is not to go in vain. The deception is also in order, for the chief culprit cannot go unpunished with unfair advantage of Mother's protective coat, he has left no choice and hence even deception is not ruled out.

Suyodhana is accomplished, he is a hero; he is again firmly resolved.

This old verse uttered by Usanas hath been heard by us. Listen to me as I recite it to thee with its true sense and meaning! 'Those amongst the remnant of a hostile force broken flying away for life, that rally and come back to the fight, should always be feared, for they are firmly resolved and have but one purpose!

Is this a 'divine praise' or 'caution' ?! 😲

But perhaps let us not digress, even in our chosen leisure of 'wastefulness'! 😆

@ Cotswold, fine illustration of the point. Thanks for citing Shalya.

Rest of the long-winding, fandom; Skipped.

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Maverick_me

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Posted: 10 years ago

#224

"Parimita Patikat Daarbhavat Anantapatikam Daasyam Iva Tava Astu Iti" I am not finding the verse above ..Is it in C.E?

Sema pl help..I don't know how come I missed this 😕

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Dr Sweety Shinde

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Posted: 10 years ago

#225

Originally posted by: varaali
Here's my waste of time too...

I don't know if this point has come before...but if you take into consideration Krishna's dialogues in the whole epic, weighing them against the circumstances they were spoken, there are several several instances where it is clear that Krishna doesn't mean what he is actually saying - or what his words are implying.

Very well said!

Krishn remains an enigma and 'apparently' appears to contradict himself. But if one gauges his true personality and intentions, it is pretty easy to separate the rice from the chaff; and the truth from the bluff.

In that way, I think he is the most consistent persona (apart from Draupadi and Vidura) in his thought processes.