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rohini55

@rohini55

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Posted: 10 years ago

Is Shiv wrong in agreeing to call Anoop papa? I think we have to go back to what he told Anoop in their previous confrontation. He said my family is my life. My work ethic is more than my life.

He watched Daddu in a state of collapse over Anoop's threat to leave. If Anoop had left and Daddu became seriously ill or died because of that, would Shiv have beeen able to forgive himself? Could a man who said his family was his life, could he have watched the family break up and live peacefully after that.

I think he did what he did to save daddu and his family.

The root problem is DB whom Anandi protected though Shiv was ready to expose her. She made him promise that they will not act against DB in order to save daddu from hurt, in order to preserve family peace.

Both Anandi and Shiv did what they did -- in my view stupidly -- for the sake of their family. If Shiv is wrong, so is Anandi -- more so because she indulged a snake. Anoop is a shade better than DB and at least has some reasons for his grievances.

Was Shiv insensitive to Anoop's insult of Anandi?

He confronted Anoop when he stole the Bhaili file, he told him off when Anoop scolded A for not getting his dinner.

Having told Anoop you can take what you want from Bhaili he cannot now ask why he took her staff. Confronting him on that would have made things ugly.

Instead he went to Anandi's side, comforted her and advised her to be strong and rebuild her business. Had this happened because of another business rival, A would have had to tackle the problem by being strong and competitive but using ethical means.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

I don't think either Shiv or Anandi made a wrong decision. because there is no right or wrong

Both made these decisions keeping Daddu's health and well being in mind.

They were emotional and put the happiness of their family members above their problems with DB and Anop.

All these things which Anop is doing now I wouldn't hold DB responsible fro that.It is Anop's own state of mind and his thought process that is responsible for his behaviour.

It is he who chose to listen to DB.

DB's problem is with Anandi and not with anyone else in the family and she didn't try to harm anyone like the way she tried with Anandi She did taunt Sanchi and Shiv on a different occasions and that were mainly because of her mindset about a few things like women working outside the house man woman relationship etc.

Anandi did not want to come in between Daddu and his sister and now Shiv does not want his two fathers separate because of what is happening to Anandi's Bhaili

Both did in good faith that giving into these people will make them rethink about their behaviour tell DB and Anop that they mean well and they don't have anything against them.

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Stephi

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Posted: 10 years ago

Anandi and Shiv made these decisions keeping Daddu's health and well being in mind.

And now all is well in paradise?

And DB does not enjoy watching a family falling apart ?

And all that her grandson said about her was not enough to arouse suspicion if nothing else!?

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Rani

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Posted: 10 years ago

I just started watching this serial, so forgive me, my reply is on based on the situation at hand

I don't know whose DB or the back story, to say Anoop, behavior is justified.

Based on what I watched, I don't think there's is a wrong or right in this situation.

Shiv, is put in a impossible spot where he's damn if he do ore he damn if he don't. In this case, he had to take in to account his grandfather health, if there was division in the house, he would've been heartbroken. Also there's Shiv, promise that under no circumstances will he let Anoop, leave the house.

I don't really think anyone won, in this case especially, Anoop, cause he had to blackmail his son, just to have him bade papa. What's in the title? nothing, is the emotion we have in our hearts and the respect for that person that matters.

Alok & Ira, seem more sensible and mature, so I hope they would understand and not fault Shiv, in this matter, even if they feel heartbroken

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

Anandi Shiv made those decisions keeping the wellbeing of the family in mind taking into account the scenario which was there at that time.

There is no way to prove that DB did it with the intention of harming Anandi.Old lady did say that she did it because she wanted Anandi to give an heir to her brother and his family. Even if the truth came out that she is behind drugging Anandi nothing would have happened.Daddu would have yelled at her and the matter would have finished there.Even if Anandi and Shiv did suspect that the lady did it deliberately with the intention of harming her where is the proof ?Till now police have not been able to trace the drug seller to whom she told that her DIL is mad and she wanted to cure her craziness

The problem here is not DB or Anop it is Daddu who cannot see beyond DB and Anop and expects every other family member to go to extreme lengths to accommodate these two.

To the question is Anandi or Shiv wrong? - I would say no. Whether decisions taken by them are right or wrong they will know it.If their decisions are wrong they will pay the price for it

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: rohini55

The root problem is DB whom Anandi protected though Shiv was ready to expose her. She made him promise that they will not act against DB in order to save daddu from hurt, in order to preserve family peace.

Both Anandi and Shiv did what they did -- in my view stupidly -- for the sake of their family. If Shiv is wrong, so is Anandi -- more so because she indulged a snake. Anoop is a shade better than DB and at least has some reasons for his grievances.

How did DB become root of current problem? Did she create Anop's problem?She is just a saprophyte which feeds on garbage.

So is the saprophyte at fault or is it the fault of whoever who let the garbage lie there?

In what way are Anop's actions less dangerous than DB"s? Isn't he using unethical means to get ahead in life without giving a thought to his DIL and son? He seems to be dealing with some unsavoury characters like Maheshwari who are interested in taking advantage of Shiv's position. So in what way does it make him any less dangerous than DB?

DB is an old woman sitting at home so her methods of getting her revenge or different from Anop but both want revenge.

Did they know that the old lady have intentions of destroying the family peace when she fed those drugs to Anandi? No. She wanted to get even with this Anandi because she thought Anandi was the reason why her grandson left her.So why does Anandi become wrong if she decides that DB's equation with her shouldn't come in the way of Daddu's happiness?

When did this old lady decide that she would ruin Shiv and Anandi? That was after they found out that she is behind the drug incident and taken her to task and let go of her because Daddu loves her.Would she have stopped from using Anop if they told the family that she is behind the drug incident? She would have just told sob story and escaped just like she always does.Even if Daddu tried to throw her out also she would have clung to them shamelessly. So how would one ge rid of this lady?

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

DB's grandson confronted her in private.

Only after deciding to leave did he tell Anandi and Shiv that he is leaving because of her and her ways with Anandi and Gulli he didn't tell Anandi Shiv that he feels that DB is responsible for his family breaking up,

So Anandi and SHiv have no way of knowing what DB has done to her son's family.They only think know that what ever she did is because she blamed Anandi for Hardhik Gulli marriage.

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Missesha

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Posted: 10 years ago

It was so heart-wrenching to see Shiv torn between two sets of parents. Neither parents have the maturity to see how their reactions and decisions are tormenting Shiv.

Rohini, I agree that Anandi was wrong in not exposing DB or stopping Shiv. Whether Anandi knew of DB's real intentions or not, it was her duty to make the family aware that this DB has interfered so much in their lives, that she secretly dictates when AnSh should have kids. And even upon knowing that Anandi is not able to handle the so-called medicine, DB still continues to give them to make Annadi's life worse.

Anandi should have presented the above scenario to family, and let them decide whether DB was really wishing well for Anandi as she is claiming or did she have other intentions? It would have also alarmed the family that DB is not just behaving bad because of her traditional mind-set, but she probably has ultimate intentions.

Anandi's behaviour on that occasion as a bahu and as a social worker was both irresponsible.

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However, is DB responsible for Anup's state of mind? Yes

After coming back, Anoop was ok and adjusting to the family and their mind-set. He was trying to make his place among them, but wasn't exactly insecured. He was even ok with the fact that his own son was raised by his bro, and was able to see his wife's sacrifice and goodwill.

But since DB has ulterior motives, she fueled unending insecurities into Anoop. Those insecurities that Anoop wasn't even thinking about.

She started to make him see things that at first didn't matter to him, but now the same things matter to him so much (such as having his own identity, his son, attention from family members etc.) that Anoop is now blinded. And again before he can take time to think whether what he is doing is right or wrong, DB does not give him space and fuels him with more negativity.

DB is using Anoop as a pawn to get to her goal and Anoop does not realise that.

So is DB the culprit? Yes.

Is Anoop weak? Yes, but DB makes sure that he remains weak and goes weaker.

Could Anandi exposing DB earlier would have saved today's situation. Yes Probably.

Is Anandi responsible for today's situation? Not exactly, but she is certainly wrong is not doing her bit on time, thereby allowing matters to go out of hand too much.

Daddu is equally wrong in not being strict with his son Anoop.

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tellygeek

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Posted: 10 years ago

Shiv and Anandi are not wrong, I totally agree with you Aparna. They are doing best possible for the sake of family's happiness and unity. Shiv questioning Anoop any further on his ways of Business wouldn't have helped, as the case with Anandi telling everyone about DB's drug story without evidence, DB would have escaped again.

Daddu has become slightly weak in Anoop's case. Alok is filled with anger, In fact, even Daddu counseling Anoop at this stage is of no use, Anoop has to understand the hard way that relationships, love ,affection, respect, reputation can't be simply snatched or built in one day. I won't blame DB much, she is instigating Anoop, but Anoop does have a crafty mind of his own and is using it very well.

What Anoop has conveniently forgotten is that his family suffered equally for the 25 years he was away. Who took care of them in his absence ? At the moment, he can't see beyond himself.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Anop chose to listen to DB he chose to side with DB's view on the matters right from the begining.Because her line of thinking appealed to him.

The same happened in the ageless classic called Mahabharat. Duryodhan had many people to advice him like Bheeshma Drona but he chose to heed to Shakuni's advice.That was his choice.

Anop was frustrated and Anandi Shiv have given him an avenue to channelise his energies through Bhaili.Yes he had difference of opinion with Anandi.But what stopped him from having a one on one discussion in order to sort out the differences?

No he walked out of Bhaili and he chose to take DB's advice instead.

He followed DB's advice because it appealed to him.

So we can't say that DB spoiled his mind she only gave voice to his own incoherent thoughts.

Things between Anop adn Alok would have happened irrespective of the presence or absence of DB in their lives.

In this entire chain of events - Anop and the rest of Shekhars who are the key players if it is looked at as a chemical reaction - Anop Vs Alok/Daddu the by product of the reaction - Turbulence in the lives of AnandiShiv - DB is only a catalyst and not a key player.

Hardhik was disillusioned with his parents and came running to this old lady and he could see through this lady despite his young age then why couldn't Anop see through this lady?Reason is simple he doesn't want to see.

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Anandi allowing DB to get away and Shiv allowing Anop to get away both are equally stupid decisions.

Shiv and Anandi did catch Anop stealing information from Bhaili and they wouldn't have told the family about it either it is just that it came out in the open without their hand in it.

Just like they kept quiet about DB and drugs they would have kept quite about Anop stealing tender quotations and stealing Bhaili staff.

Anop got exposed in front of the family and DB is yet to get exposed.

Blaming Anandi and supporting Shiv when what they have done is very similar and intentions behind their acts are similar why support one and blame the other?

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