Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 55

Thank you Abhay for taking out time and clearing my Chisti ki gutthi😃

Originally posted by: history_geek

Pallavi,

There is no scope for confusion.😊 Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti of Ajmer, popularly called Gharib Nawaz holds the credit of popularising Sufism in India. He was called Gharib Nawaz, as he was famous for his charity and generosity. He existed around 12th/13th century.

And, right now in show, we are around 1562-63(16th century). So, when Akbar & co, went to Gharib Nawaz Sahab dargah in Ajmer, it was the shrine. And, in Agra, Sheikh Salim Chisti is very much present now. Hope this clears.😊


Also --> As it is explicitly mentioned in above post, that these Khwajas were not related to blood relation always. So, in following link, another clarification--> Hussain also, was related to Khwaja Bahauddin Bukhari, but was NOT a direct descendent.😊
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100493899


BTW, it's clear otherwise also, these Khawajas were like the present system of Pope in Christianity, who are also NOT neccessarily related by BLOOD.!. This is just an analogy. Nothing more..! 😊

@Pallavi And all,

Hope this string of Clarification is helpful ...😃

^^^ @KDR81....🤣...
I FEARED, what if the ABOVE issue escalates similar to Vishkanyas, for EXPLANATIONS...🤓



Let's take a quick recap, what happened with the topic of VK's ..😆


The issue of Vishkanyas, started on pg-17 of this thread.😃
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=17


Then, again, re-appeared on pg-42, with the ENTRY OF BENAZIR.🤓
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=42


Then, we went explaining, the method of selection / execution / "performance"😉😆, etc. etc.


After covering Vishkanyas of India, 🤣 we went to Vishkanyas of Roman Empire on page-47.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=47


Then, we went to Ancient Indian Vishkanyas on page-48. 😆
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91?pn=48


Then, Final Vishkanya Update..EXIT OF BENAZIR on pg-56.😕🥱
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100533127


It seemed the issue finished, but again returned, on pg-62.. VK RETURNS..!!😆


I feel we give can give credit to VK's for the popularity of this thread.😉😆
Despite not wanting to open this topic, we opened a pandora box.
Right from Pg. 17 to 62.😆..Covered Vishkanyas FROM, around the world..😆..


Despite all this, the topic was AWESOME...👍🏼
@All...Thanx, who contributed the info.

Okay Abhay, I know this is incoherent and totally way off the topic,

Originally posted by: sara5471

Okay Abhay, I know this is incoherent and totally way off the topic,

But can they seriously show Jalal getting beaten? I mean, it just does not seem possible.

Sara,
I DO NOT feel that will happen. As you said, i too have same opinion.🤓
BTW, i read somewhere a spoiler that Jodha will give away her ornaments, though she already has less, for paying tax.
Let's see today. 😊

Awww.. Thank you so very much for that clarification. Now I get it.

Wow... how sweet of Akbar to stay with his begum through out her pregnancy...😳 Sho chweet... would like to see this in the show.

Viji

Originally posted by: history_geek

Sara,
I DO NOT feel that will happen. As you said, i too have same opinion.🤓
BTW, i read somewhere a spoiler that Jodha will give away her ornaments, though she already has less, for paying tax.
Let's see today. 😊

Originally posted by: sara5471

I hope that what you said comes true. It is too ridiculous to even see him tied there like Veeru in Sholay.

I remember she once gave her ornaments before marriage in front of Ruqs.

Thanks for replying 😊

Hi Sara,
She gave it twice...also when Jallu got well after Baagh Kaand...😃 Remember?? So this time it will be the 3rd time , if that happens...😳

Regards,
Kamal

abhay in the precap...jodha mention the name of Toder Mal...if i am not mistake...he is finance minister of jallu and also one of the navratna?

As usual, responding to PMs..!..

Will update this issue in detail later.
Updating now, only on basis of what i remember.

BTW, Jalal has MANY reasons to get UPSET by Sher Shah Suri's name.

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Sher Shah Suri established Sur Empire (1540-55) , after defeating Humayun.
A man of high administrative capability.
Did wonderful reforms - postal system, agriculture, administration, army, etc..

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Todar Mal served first under Sher Shah Suri.(died 1545)
Later, served as Akbar's Finance Minister.

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Both Sher Shah Suri and Humayun had fought many battles.

But, Battle of Chausa, 26/27 June, 1539, WAS VERY serious for Humayun.

Not only he lost the battle, but lost something precious.!.

At this battle, on 27 June, Humayun lost his 8 year old daughter, Akika Sultan Begum, daughter of his favorite wife Begum Bega Sultan.😕 She was NEVER found.!

Humayun Nama, page143, records these words of Humayun --> "Why did I not kill her in my own presence?".😕 He was devastated..!...Still, this man fought.👏

Even his wife, Begum Bega Sultan, was captured, but Sher Shah Suri, kept her in high regard, and released her with honour and dignity. ( It is said so. )

Humayun fought HIS LEVEL BEST, but lost . Finally, escaped from battlefield. Swam across flooded Ganga river. And, then returned to Agra.

More than 7000 Mughal soldiers and the CREAM of nobles died, in this battle..!!

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Why was Jalal angry hearing Sher Shah Suri's name??

Probable Reasons:

1. His father LOST Mughal Empire.
2. Went into exile.

3. Jalal lost his sister / Humayun lost his daughter.

4. Also, Humayun had built a city called Dinpanah in Delhi, on banks of Yamuna, but it was destroyed by Sher Shah and he built his capital, Shergarh on it's place.!. Some sources say, he further developed the city. But, this clause does not holds any ground.!.

5. Mughals considered Sher Shah as "dhokebaaz/traitor". He attacked Humayun at night in the Battle of Chausa. { So, i mentioned dates as 26/27 June, 1539. }

Will update in detail later.
But, i feel, till then, you all, have got enough HINT, why Jalal was fuming with ANGER hearing, Sher Shah Suri's name.!.

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This was a summary.
Though, Sher Shah and Humayun, fought many battles.
I am running short of time.
So, giving a short and concise update, for time being .!

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2 more short updates on this issue:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101173162
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101174074