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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Kalapi pls tell me would it be OK for a married pregnant woman to wear Salvar Kameez to Durga Pujo? Or must she wear temple saree??? Pls give me your answer from what bengali young married wife does these days in Kolkata especially Canada raised one..

Varsha it really depends on so many things. Since Kolkata is a city, generally like any metro, there are mix groups of people from various backgrounds. So, a family who is educated and forward thinking might not care, if their young DIL wears anything (even Western) during Pujo. In fact, if the inlaws allows it, DIL will buy variously different cloths to wear during 5 days of pujo . In a big city, even if neighbor talks about a particular DIL wearing inappropriate cloths (in their opinion), it is easier to ignore and neutralize those gossipmongers. Generally though, married woman still prefers wearing saree on Shasthi and Visarjan (especially for the Sindoor kela), but still it isn't universal.

Now, say a family might be very conservative; they may not even entertain the idea of wearing anything other than saree anywhere (even in the city). Although, I personally think Kolkata is still forward thinking than the rural areas. See, my maika who lives in the heart of city never stopped my bhabhi (wife of my younger brother) from wearing anything, she happily wears anything she feels like even after a kid. Now, my inlaws who lives in a rural area about 3 hrs from kolkata, could never accept any DILs wearing anything other than a saree. Besides, the gossips are stronger in a rural area and people are more sensitive to it too. So, when I travel, I have different set of cloths for the various places I end up visiting.

So, a Canada raised on one, the expectation might even be not there that she will wear. Even my inlaws will give her leeway to say my son's wife, if she is raised in the West. In mean, expectations are different here, in my opinion.

In general, there isn't any norm to wear the typical red/white saree during any pujo. Actual the typical red/white saree is often are made of cotton and preferred for everyday use coz there are simply cheap, with no prints and having the thick red border so a married woman could wear it easily (of course, the plain white sarees or with thin black borders usually wore by widows). It was also worn during the actual preparations of a pujo simply coz it was cheap so woman could not worry about it being soiled or ripped for any reason. Now, I guess it has started symbolizing Bengali culture and a fashion statement of a sort. The combination is available nowadays in Benarasi (these days fashion statement by MIL when welcoming their new DIL for the very first time in sasural), kanjeevaram, pure silk, gadwall etc.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Thanks kalapi for explaining Loha traditions..I did not see Purvi wearing Mangalsutra and for couple of days I could not see Sindoor either...But yesterday I made sure to look for it and yes she was wearing sindoor but no Mangalsutra...I was abt to ask u these Qs but thanks to Shyamala she did...Here we have your perfect explanation..

Purvi might still wear mangalsutra if she wants to follow both custom, that probably happens in mix marriage, but a bengali MIL will not feel offended or hurt if she didn't wear mangalsutra...
As for the rest of your post...what can I say, my long lost twin😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Kalapi my dear,

How fascinating! Thanks ever so much for such a detailed explanation; it was lovely to get to know all this.

Tamils too have a thirumangalyam, the equivalent of the mangalasutra, but it is all gold, no black beads which would be considered inauspicious in our parts. It can be about 1 inch square and about 2-3 mm thick,and is shaped roughly like a doorway, with triple arches. But for poorer families, it can be as small as half an inch.

It is worn on a stout thread smeared all over with haldi, which is called manjal in Tamil, and so the thread is called manjalkayaru (kayaru meaning thread). The turmeric stained thread and the thirumangalyam together constitute the sign of being married, and they are never taken off at all.

The bridegroom ties the first knot when he puts the thirumangalyam round the bride's neck at the wedding, and his sister ties the other two (if there is no sister, then a girl cousin). This signifies that his family is even more interested in the bond of marriage being very strong than he is.

In better off families, there is a supplementary thirumangalyam, of course made of gold as well, which is worn on a gold chain like a twisted rope. The two - the thread and the chain - are worn together. Nowadays, fashion conscious women simply remove the one on the thread and wear that too on the gold chain, but traditionalists stick to the manjalkayaru as well.

I agree with you and Kools that the Bengali saree and the accessories are being pushed too much, but regardless, I prefer them, exaggerated or not, to the shabby, too often repeated outfits Purvi used to wear in Mumbai! I love the look of the Bengali sarees; I adored the Tangail sarees that Shabana Azmi wore in her film Swami with Girish Karnad.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Dear Shyamala,

I am sorry that I didn't explain about the loha to you and the rest who aren't accustomed to bong culture. Loha is the Bengali word for iron - the metal.

To a married Bengali women, loha is equivalent to Mangal sutra (except perhaps Tamils? who also do not wear the mangal sutra either).Loha is an iron metal bangle that she wears on her left hand with the Sakha (the white bangle made on conch shell) and pola (the red bangle made of red coral). The order is loha, shakha and pola.

General, on the morning of the Bengali wedding, right after the Vriddhi (puja where the ancestors are offered rice and prayed to bless the 'couple to be'), the bride has the haldi ceremony, followed by 7 married women putting the loha/sakha/pola on left hand and sakha/pola on the right. After this the bride is given the ceremonial bath. So, in essence the 3 bangles along with the sindoor are what adorn a married Bengali woman and never removed unless she becomes a widow. Generally, after marriage the loha that was worn in the morning of her wedding is replaced by one given to her by her mother in law. Generally, a married girl can only wear loha from another married woman or by her husband. The loha that is given by the inlaws are generally covered with gold. In modern time and with more and more Bengali women working, most women will probably forgo wearing the sakha and pola, but not the 'loha' (I guess, the iron might refer to strong relationship with husband). Btw, I was nitpicking Ekta's attention to details after seeing Purvi wearing so many of those red/white bangles😃

As for Purvi gifting a saree to a patient's wife, that was definitely over the top. True, Durga Puja is like Diwali or Christmas to a Bengali and lot of gift are exchanged and given (especially cloths, as it is ritual to wear new cloths during the puja's), but Purvi gifting a saree to someone she never met is simply unrealistic. Besides, why would she do so with a tight budget?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Varsha,

You do not have to keep these two cents, my dear, but I will keep the stout slipper as well! I think she really needs a couple of solid whacks!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Thanks kalapi for explaining Loha traditions..I did not see Purvi wearing Mangalsutra and for couple of days I could not see Sindoor either...But yesterday I made sure to look for it and yes she was wearing sindoor but no Mangalsutra...I was abt to ask u these Qs but thanks to Shyamala she did...Here we have your perfect explanation..

I have a different take on Ovi's so called snooty behavior as some mentioned..When kids are born in foreign or even in India in very well to do families they are certain ways...They are used to certain life style..
Ovi stayed in chawl with Deshmukhs...Never complained...But when she has her own home in Canada or living in Kirloskar apartment she is getting comfortable life like back home...What is so wrong with her asking Arjun Q abt hotel being certain way? If I were her I would ask my husband same Q..Nothing wrong in being rich and expecting or having your own standard of life one is used to 😃
Also abt seeing doctor in Canada..She was raised in Canada for past 18 yrs and may be feels comfortable seeing a doctor there..As they were not finding Dr. Onir she was told she was going to be taken to US or Canada..Which is ok by her..If I were her I would be apprehensive abt seeing a doctor in some diff state in India too..Personally I feel more comfortable with the medical treatment, hospitals and doctors what I am used to..
I am just giving other explanation..Some call it snooty, snobish, spoilt but for some this their ways of living...If she can afford it all power to her..She did not expect Arjun to rob a bank so she can stay in 7* hotel..
Pls dont see this as mere excuse for her...I am no Ovi fan or supporter but being DA and giving other opinion. Not all are cut out for roughing it..Each child is different...If we accept Purvi being ok with chhoti chhoti cheezein, Teju being tom boyish roughing it in India and driving taxi than we have to accept a canada raised fashion model from very well to do family having certain standards. Nothing more..
My POV Ofcourse and 2 cents.. Take it or leave it and I will keep them 😃

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala dear @ you keeping my 2 cents..Lord have mercy!!!!!!!!
My DIL is Telugu brahmin and they have similar mangalsutra as you described for Tamilians..Marriage time Gold pendant tied into haldi thread. When she goes to stay first time at her mayka than they put that pendant into gold chain. This one comes from her parents and us Gujaratis have mangalsutra with gold & black beads. Pendant can be of gold or diamond..As she was getting one with gold pendant, she got one with diamonds from us..More the merrier eh 😃
Kalapi my long lost twino GMTA 👍🏼 Same thoughts abt on hospitals, doctors and living accomodations..😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Kalapi,

As for the superiority of diagnosis and treatment in Canada, say, over that in India, there are a few points I would like to make, not to contradict your take on the matter, which is a personal one and thus cannot be contradicted, but to supplement and clarify it.

Firstly, unless the affliction is life threatening, in places like Canada, and even more so the Netherlands, where there is no private practice allowed, one cannot get an appointment for months, or even years for, say, a knee replacement or an eye problem.I had to pull a lot of strings to get my mother's cataract removal done fairly quickly when I was the Indian High Commissioner (Ambassador) to Canada in the mid-2000s.

So the treatment might be free, but if you cannot get an appointment at all, it does not help much. This is why any number of such desperate patients travel to India for such treatment, and the vast majority go back very satisfied and this even with hospitals in Kerala, not just in the big metros,

I do not know if Ovi's complication could be described as life threatening, but from what you said elsewhere, I would guess not. . So in Canada, she would have been told to wait.

This is of course not the case in the US, where you can get anything if you can pay for it. But as for the way Medicare and HMOs work in the US, you have to listen to my brother, a US citizen who has lived there since 1969.

Secondly, the big private hospitals in India, like the Apollo or the Escorts ones, are as good or better than anything in Washington or Ottawa, and I have seen all of them. Even the Wadia institute of Cardiology in Pune where we take my mother is very good, neat and clean and orderly, and the doctor is superb. The free govt. hospitals are of course terribly overcrowded and tough to take, but if a Canadian hospital had to take the patient load that the All India Institute of Medical Sciences does, it would collapse in a week.

Lastly, as for diagnostic ability, while this was a small matter, it does illustrate my point. I once had a consultation for an eye infection with a prominent Ottawa opthalmologist, who charged us $85/- and promised me that I would be fine in 2 days and I could attend an important conference in Manitoba. Guess what, it got worse, and I had to last thru the conference with red, watering eyes, feeling awful. Then I proceeded to Vancouver for some work at our Consulate General there, and they found me an Indian origin doctor who found out the kind of viral infection I had in the first five minutes, and then gave me the correct medicine as well. He was educated in India.

I do note your point that it is not a question of Indian doctors not being good, but as for me, after that, I was pretty wary of the Canadian doctors. Then again, the Ottawa cardiologist who did the comprehensive cardiac exam for my mother in 2006, and found an EF of the left ventricle of 34%, forgot to tell me that she needed regular monitoring. He sent the report not to me, but to our GP, and never bothered to discuss it with me, as should have been the case, and the GP did not understand the potential seriousness of her condition.

The result was that last year, we suddenly found that the ET had dropped to 10-15% and if it had not been for our cardiologist here, who pulled her around, she would have passed away in a few months. And the person who suspected that the breathlessness and the swelling of her feet was NOT a digestive reflux problem, but might be a cardiac one, and ordered the ECG and then the echocardiogram, was not even a cardiologist, but an MD who was a GP. So what does one make of all this?

None of the above is to deny the validity of the kind of personal preferences you have mentioned, which one can always have in such matters. Even after living in 4 million dollar ambassadorial residences for half my working life, I still enjoyed myself the most in my nani's place in Tamil Nadu, one of those of huge, dark, cool old houses surrounded by trees, and a huge swing in the central hall. But kids are different these days.

But the fact is that Ovi is a tiresome nag, and the more Arjun bends to accommodate her nagging, the worse she gets. He should have continued to treat her as standoffishly as he does in the beginning, and she would have been just fine. But then he had to obey the wishes of his puppetmaster Purvi, and so here he is, a slave to both women, one absent, and the other, unfortunately, always present.

Any normal husband would never have stood for the constant Who is Afraid of Virginia Woolf kind of stunts she keeps pulling, He never promised to love her when he married her, and she knew that perfectly well. So why should he have any pyaar for her now?

She wanted him at any cost then. Now that she has him, she is busy making life miserable for him every which way she can. If she did not want a baby, surely there are any number of ways of not having one these days. Why did she not adopt one of them, instead of plaguing her unfortunate husband every waking moment?

Nothing he does meet with her approval, and she has a tongue like a well stropped razor, that girl. I stick to my statement that she needs to be walloped good and proper, not perhaps with the football boots you and I had once contemplated for Arjun, but definitely with a pair of extra stout slippers!😉 And if I had been her husband, I would have used a hatchet and buried her, Agatha Christie fashion, in the cellar!😉

Shyamala


Originally posted by: Kalapi

See Shyamala, I disagree with you on your assessment of Ovi here.

I will tell you my real life experience. I am myself born and raised in India and more than half of my total living years were spend in India. But, even now when I travel to India, I double check every imaginary medical need with my docs here. During my first pregnancy, my inlaws wanted me to deliver in India, I just preferred here. Last time, when both my kids were sick constantly, I simply wanted to come back to the West. Even if I look around here, my Indian friends could any day prefer a treatment in the West than in India. I guess, we have grown accustomed to the treatment facilities, the way a doc treats his patient, his style, his way in explaining treatment options, his stating the basic facts, a patient having a say in his treatment'don't know what it is, it might be a mixture of these or something else, but after a while most first generation Indians simply prefers a treatment in the West. Maybe it is still the very different approaches to treatment in these 2 countries. I don't think that there is a dearth of good docs in India, but the difference is probably the approach and what is one accustomed too. So, I couldn't blame Ovi , who is raised in Canada right after the first year, if she preferred a Western Doc over an Indian doc. As for a wanting a 5 star hotel, but isn't that natural too'I mean my kids too complains the lack of infrastructure in India and finds it hard to adjust to small things'I thought it was only natural, for Ovi to complain. Besides, she can well afford it, so why not go for a Canadian Doc'besides; Canadian medical treatment is actually free too'.world class treatment is actually subsidized by the Government. I found it weird of Deshmukhs wanting Onir over a Canadian treatment'

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala,

Yes, black is considered inauspicious in a Bengali wedding too. Most people will not even gift anything in black. So, I always wonder what lead to the black beads in a mangalsutra?

Although I have heard other less famous and degrading resons of why married women wears a loha and sindoor (esp. becoz it is red), but lets not go there, I guess…

Btw, we also do wear a thread smeared with haldi and kumkum in our wrist too (both the bride and the groom), but that comes off after 8 days when the girl visit her maikka.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Kalapi my dear,

How fascinating! Thanks ever so much for such a detailed explanation; it was lovely to get to know all this.

Tamils too have a thirumangalyam, the equivalent of the mangalasutra, but it is all gold, no black beads which would be considered inauspicious in our parts. It can be about 1 inch square and about 2-3 mm thick,and is shaped roughly like a doorway, with triple arches. But for poorer families, it can be as small as half an inch.

It is worn on a stout thread smeared all over with haldi, which is called manjal in Tamil, and so the thread is called manjalkayaru (kayaru meaning thread). The turmeric stained thread and the thirumangalyam together constitute the sign of being married, and they are never taken off at all.

The bridegroom ties the first knot when he puts the thirumangalyam round the bride's neck at the wedding, and his sister ties the other two (if there is no sister, then a girl cousin). This signifies that his family is even more interested in the bond of marriage being very strong than he is.

In better off families, there is a supplementary thirumangalyam, of course made of gold as well, which is worn on a gold chain like a twisted rope. The two - the thread and the chain - are worn together. Nowadays, fashion conscious women simply remove the one on the thread and wear that too on the gold chain, but traditionalists stick to the manjalkayaru as well.

I agree with you and Kools that the Bengali saree and the accessories are being pushed too much, but regardless, I prefer them, exaggerated or not, to the shabby, too often repeated outfits Purvi used to wear in Mumbai! I love the look of the Bengali sarees; I adored the Tangail sarees that Shabana Azmi wore in her film Swami with Girish Karnad.

Shyamala

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Posted: 12 years ago
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No no Shyamala, I am not saying there aren't any problems in the west regarding medical treatment. The west too has its fair share of issues. I do agree with all you say about the backlog in Canadian treatment and priorities, especially when it comes to knee treatment, which is often considered non-life threatening and left untreated for long periods of time often into years. In fact this is one of the prime reasons suggested by opponents for subsidized heathcare in countries like the US. Besides, mistakes/misdiagnosis/mistreatment can happen anywhere and at any time, and so at the end of it all, people end up swearing by their own personal experience or preferences in this matter in regards to particular doc, treatment method, hospital etc.. There are numerous cases also, where an Indian doc has failed to identify an ailment correctly, I sadly have personal experience of it too. So, at the end it maybe more a question of trust, which sometimes is even more important than a drug. But, still the majority of medical technological advances are still happening more in the West than in India. And the reasons without even going into them, are many.

As for Ovi's pregnancy and her complications, and if the pregnancy was considered life threatening for the mother or the child she could have got priority treatment in Canada. So, in terms of medical wait time in Canada, there is a long wait for a couple who seeks fertility treatment as oppose to a treatment arising from a diagnosed complication that can be life threatening. Besides, Manav already spend 2 months waiting and looking for Onir, he could have got an appointment with a Canadian doc in the meantime and with his money even gone for a US or a British Doc. Besides, Ovi is raised in Canada, it isn't wrong if she is much more comfortable with a treatment available in the West. Most people if given an option of getting a treatment done in West vs. that in Indian, will still chose the Western countries if they could afford it. That is why we see Sonia Gandhi (and many many Bollywood stars/politicians) opting for a treatment in US. Surely, with money, power and status that Sonia has, any doc could have eagerly left their life behind just to treat her and hospitals like AIIMS could have cordoned off a floor for her security and treatment. Let's move away from the likes of Sonia G, even if we took a poll of second generation Indians, born in the West or came to the Country at a young age and ask where they preferred a medical treatment up close and personal, most will go for the West, even if they visited India many time growing up or with their intense love for SRK and Bolly movies, hindi songs and dances and not to mention Ekta serials😉. They will consciously opt for an Indian treatment if an option of an alternative Western treatment is available to them.

As for your love of a simple nani's house, but dear your association with that house and more importantly the people living in it are much much more emotional with wonderful memories of smell, sound, the familiarities of the surroundings and the comfort and security (emotional) it represents, particularly if no untoward incidents happened there. My associations with my nani's house where I spend long lazy summer vacations eating achars are very intimate too. But, I am sure my son's association with his nani's house will be very different than mine, since he only visits her place every other year and that too for few weeks at a time. So, for Ovi who never visited her country of birth for 18 yrs and then suddenly adjusting to it will be a different ball game. I find Teju an outlier. Sachu could also have very different set of memories of chawl life because he was raised in India longer and his memories were different being passed around between Shravani and Achana. So, the scales should be very different judging people coming from various backgrounds. So, if she prefers 5 star accommodations, I am not sure I find it strange.

As for Ovi and Arjun's state of affair, I think Ovi made her greatest mistake accepting him the second time. Now, after living with him for 6 months, she has realized that the OTT affection he shows towards her is fake and underneath it all, he craves for Purvi. This could make any wife bitter, depressed, crazy and suicidal, won't you say? Some members opined that Ovi should be grateful for the wonderful loves that Arjun shows on her becoz of his loving Purvi (sorry, never really understood the logic there fully). You and I are both married women ...does this so call 'love' cut it when the woman knows that the hubby is having sex with her as a duty to fulfill his ex's command...sorry, this act makes a total mockery out of marriage. True, Arjun can't be forced into loving Ovi, so then why did he want a second chance just to fulfill someone else's wish. He is a grown man for crying out loud, he could have simply walked away from the mess, but no, he preferred staying back to follow orders. At this point, I have no respect left for Arjun. As for Ovi, not even caring for her baby, it is the underlined bitterness and the naked truth that she faces now. After, the tamasha, I felt she was ready for anything and could have accepted a divorce, but after 6 months with a life in her she feels trapped and bitter, because she knows what she has landed up with, but Arjun... did he really had to do all he did including sleeping with Ovi just to please his ex? Is his action even justifiable?

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Kalapi,

As for the superiority of diagnosis and treatment in Canada, say, over that in India, there are a few points I would like to make, not to contradict your take on the matter, which is a personal one and thus cannot be contradicted, but to supplement and clarify it.

Firstly, unless the affliction is life threatening, in places like Canada, and even more so the Netherlands, where there is no private practice allowed, one cannot get an appointment for months, or even years for, say, a knee replacement or an eye problem.I had to pull a lot of strings to get my mother's cataract removal done fairly quickly when I was the Indian High Commissioner (Ambassador) to Canada in the mid-2000s.

So the treatment might be free, but if you cannot get an appointment at all, it does not help much. This is why any number of such desperate patients travel to India for such treatment, and the vast majority go back very satisfied and this even with hospitals in Kerala, not just in the big metros,

I do not know if Ovi's complication could be described as life threatening, but from what you said elsewhere, I would guess not. . So in Canada, she would have been told to wait.

This is of course not the case in the US, where you can get anything if you can pay for it. But as for the way Medicare and HMOs work in the US, you have to listen to my brother, a US citizen who has lived there since 1969.

Secondly, the big private hospitals in India, like the Apollo or the Escorts ones, are as good or better than anything in Washington or Ottawa, and I have seen all of them. Even the Wadia institute of Cardiology in Pune where we take my mother is very good, neat and clean and orderly, and the doctor is superb. The free govt. hospitals are of course terribly overcrowded and tough to take, but if a Canadian hospital had to take the patient load that the All India Institute of Medical Sciences does, it would collapse in a week.

Lastly, as for diagnostic ability, while this was a small matter, it does illustrate my point. I once had a consultation for an eye infection with a prominent Ottawa opthalmologist, who charged us $85/- and promised me that I would be fine in 2 days and I could attend an important conference in Manitoba. Guess what, it got worse, and I had to last thru the conference with red, watering eyes, feeling awful. Then I proceeded to Vancouver for some work at our Consulate General there, and they found me an Indian origin doctor who found out the kind of viral infection I had in the first five minutes, and then gave me the correct medicine as well. He was educated in India.

I do note your point that it is not a question of Indian doctors not being good, but as for me, after that, I was pretty wary of the Canadian doctors. Then again, the Ottawa cardiologist who did the comprehensive cardiac exam for my mother in 2006, and found an EF of the left ventricle of 34%, forgot to tell me that she needed regular monitoring. He sent the report not to me, but to our GP, and never bothered to discuss it with me, as should have been the case, and the GP did not understand the potential seriousness of her condition.

The result was that last year, we suddenly found that the ET had dropped to 10-15% and if it had not been for our cardiologist here, who pulled her around, she would have passed away in a few months. And the person who suspected that the breathlessness and the swelling of her feet was NOT a digestive reflux problem, but might be a cardiac one, and ordered the ECG and then the echocardiogram, was not even a cardiologist, but an MD who was a GP. So what does one make of all this?

None of the above is to deny the validity of the kind of personal preferences you have mentioned, which one can always have in such matters. Even after living in 4 million dollar ambassadorial residences for half my working life, I still enjoyed myself the most in my nani's place in Tamil Nadu, one of those of huge, dark, cool old houses surrounded by trees, and a huge swing in the central hall. But kids are different these days.

But the fact is that Ovi is a tiresome nag, and the more Arjun bends to accommodate her nagging, the worse she gets. He should have continued to treat her as standoffishly as he does in the beginning, and she would have been just fine. But then he had to obey the wishes of his puppetmaster Purvi, and so here he is, a slave to both women, one absent, and the other, unfortunately, always present.

Any normal husband would never have stood for the constant Who is Afraid of Virginia Woolf kind of stunts she keeps pulling, He never promised to love her when he married her, and she knew that perfectly well. So why should he have any pyaar for her now?

She wanted him at any cost then. Now that she has him, she is busy making life miserable for him every which way she can. If she did not want a baby, surely there are any number of ways of not having one these days. Why did she not adopt one of them, instead of plaguing her unfortunate husband every waking moment?

Nothing he does meet with her approval, and she has a tongue like a well stropped razor, that girl. I stick to my statement that she needs to be walloped good and proper, not perhaps with the football boots you and I had once contemplated for Arjun, but definitely with a pair of extra stout slippers!😉 And if I had been her husband, I would have used a hatchet and buried her, Agatha Christie fashion, in the cellar!😉

Shyamala


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Interesting discussion and i would like to add my own feelings .

I agree with Varsha and Kalapi about the preferences about medical treatment and why and how they evolve.

I don't doubt the brilliance or capacity of Indian doctors [ in fact i feel they have a better chance at accurate diagnosis simply because of the over population and the exposure to a lot of patients day in and day out which increases their experience and medical knowledge both] but the hesitation of one who has settled abroad arises not due to snobbery but simply because the goof ups there r minimal compared to a third world country and there is no denying that ultimately for specialisation one has to go there to learn it .

A developed country has medical goof ups too , the only thing is they r far less compared to a third world country and hence the hesitation of those settled there or grew up there to opt for treatment anywhere else in the world .

And thats what we saw in the serial ...hesitation before complying . And i find that hesitation from a girl who grew abroad normal ...not snooty .

I also find the query about the type of hotel very real and normal not snooty . It is typically the query any girl raised abroad and accustomed to a rich lifestyle will do .

Sadly in this serial everything that is normal is shown as something shocking . I find frankly Teju's behaviour weird . She sleeps on chawl floors inspite of growing in palatial homes with butlers , and drives taxis happily although driving a taxi in Mumbai is very tiring ...it is as if she has got sudden self realisation . In the twins i find Ovi very normal and real , i find Teju very odd , weird and fantastic .

Archana has never been outside India and even seen the lifestyle that the twins were accustomed to . She just vaguely knows that Manav was 'rich' and had the lifestyle of the 'bade log' . She hasn't bothered as a mother to find out about the habits of her kids . Nor has Manav who has actually seen with his own eyes what they were accustomed to . What they both have done is suddenly force their lifestyle on a group of people without bothering about whether they would like this drastic change or not and they both insist that this lifestyle [ so many people staying with so little water] is the best and will instill values .

I find that very judgemental , biased and narrow minded . Mind you , the children are not in the growing up stage anymore to 'instill values' in them but already grown up .

The only person who has not changed or got mentally conditioned to this is Ovi . She is called by Teju as 'barbie doll' but why shouldn't she be one when her father is a tycoon beats me . When a middle class person pampers her child it is called ' naazon se paalna' but when a rich person pampers his child she is termed as spoilt and a barbie doll . Confusing .

Infact Archana did say this to Arjun when she handed over her daughter Purvi to him on the engagement day as if she was a prize catch . ' Maine ise bahut nazon se paala hai '' so better take good care of her was her maternal warning .

I don't regard snootiness as being accustomed to a certain lifestyle . I regard snootiness as an attitude thinking ' I know best' and ' You better adhere to my thoughts . You MUST .''

I find this judgemental attitude which borders on high handedness in Archana , Purvi and Sulochana .

They feel they know best , that they do no galti and their sanskaars are the ultimate . I find them terribly snooty .

I have seen Ovi immediately apologising to Arjun in the bedroom egolessly . I have not seen anyone from her family making an issue about her husband hitting her publicly and declaring like a proud peacock that he still has feelings for the ex who dumped him . I have not seen her making an issue about it like most women would have ...infact she believed her husband's lies and forgave him just like that ...she should have made an issue and demanded a public apology like the public slap if he really wanted the marraige as he stated . I have not seen anyone pampering her in her pregnancy ...her mother even refuses to go to the gynac with her saying she is tired . I find her a most neglected child .

This is not to defend her at all but simply stating what i see as a viewer .

I agree that she deserves a walloping ...but only for the drinking during pregnancy bit . That is serious as it endangers a human life and she must be given a hard slap and a telling off for that . But for the other things ...she doesn't deserve any beating . She is one unlucky woman whose husband adamantly refused to give a chance whatever she did to please him .

I have said this many times ...it is he who deserves a strong telling off from his dad .
The other female who deserves a public walloping is Purvi who boasted of excellent sanskaars , took the risk of pregnancy with unprotected sex and gave up her boyfriend like a candy and is now going to deprive the baby of everything ...force either single parenting on it or give it someone else as a father .

As it happens , the only person who got a public walloping was Punni and it was coz this judgemental angel exposed her .

Arjun listens to Ovi's caustic taunts not coz he is a bechara ...he has the capability of hitting his wife in public and declaring love for his ex but because he has no face after parroting the lies taught by his ex.

Kalapi i knew about the loha but wanted u to answer . I knew about it as my sister has married a Bengali .😊



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I really wished Ovi has said no to Arjun when he ask for second chance, not because of Arvi sake, I wanted to see atleast someone is showing selfrespect in this show.

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