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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think bec of the leap we missed arjuns pati avtaar completely. I think what made ovi so bitter is that he promised to give their relationship another go but refused to cease with the purvi jaap. Remember she caught him talking to his laptop having an imaginary conversation with purvi. And apparently this was not the first time. Its enough to drive any woman up the wall. So its not that he does not love her, but the fact that he is freaking obsessed with purvi. She thought it was over. She would have eventually got over him but He came to her instead and said lets try again. He slept with her bec his ex told him to. That is insane.


As for the baby thing, that no one can defend ovi. But all these scenes are to highlight good purvi and bad ovi. Its the one dimensional way of looking at characters that i hate. I can sought of understand a 19 year old not giving a damn abt anything even a baby. When i was 19, i was a brat with no perspective except what made me happy. I think most ppl that age are like this. but given how desperate ovi is for love, the more logical track would have to make her super possessive abt the baby. Finally she had someone who wld love her unconditionally. But this track is to show bad, bad ovi. So the viewer does not question how a husbands indifference can completely destroy a young, vibrant girl
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear bips,

I agree with you completely about @blue. That is how I would have expected her to be, both per se and also because, given Arjun's involvement with the baby, it would have brought them much closer together. This, after all, is how most arranged marriages are consolidated and thrive.

I however do not think Arjun loves Ovi is the romantic sense at all, nor would he necessarily do it even if he had got over Purvi completely (and in the context, 6 months is too short a period to get over someone completely). But I agree that he should not sit around talking to his laptop. On the other hand, if Ovi had played the baby card right, he would have stopped doing that much earlier. He cares for her wellbeing and is very responsible in a practical sense. She should have built on that.

Also I feel it is not just because Ovi is 21/22 (not 19; she was 2 or 3 when Manav went to Canada. and that is 19 years ago now) that she is so petulant and unbearable. She would be the same at 40, and in any case, she was never very appealing; I remember her in Canada.She was always self-absorbed and demanding, and very snooty about their wealth. God help the poor Arjun-Ovi baby!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: bips

^^^^^ @sashashyam

I think bec of the leap we missed arjuns pati avtaar completely. I think what made ovi so bitter is that he promised to give their relationship another go but refused to cease with the purvi jaap. Remember she caught him talking to his laptop having an imaginary conversation with purvi. And apparently this was not the first time. Its enough to drive any woman up the wall. So its not that he does not love her, but the fact that he is freaking obsessed with purvi. She thought it was over. She would have eventually got over him but He came to her instead and said lets try again. He slept with her bec his ex told him to. That is insane.


As for the baby thing, that no one can defend ovi. But all these scenes are to highlight good purvi and bad ovi. Its the one dimensional way of looking at characters that i hate. I can sought of understand a 19 year old not giving a damn abt anything even a baby. When i was 19, i was a brat with no perspective except what made me happy. I think most ppl that age are like this. but given how desperate ovi is for love, the more logical track would have to make her super possessive abt the baby. Finally she had someone who wld love her unconditionally. But this track is to show bad, bad ovi. So the viewer does not question how a husbands indifference can completely destroy a young, vibrant girl

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala dearest, thanks for you response.

I agree with you that romantic love is very much over-rated these days and for a marriage to work, more than anything the couple needs to share respect, mutual understanding and the ability to compromise. Actually, I have said so myself many times in the forum

But when everyone complains and tells that how bad is Ovi is in the relationship, and she seems to be a bad mother, no one points out the fact how miserably Arjun has failed to to make his marriage work too. In fact, it is a merit that Arjun still loves Purvi and can't seem to move on. In essence his living in the past is an example of true love, but if Ovi complains as she has done that Purvi is an invisible being in their relationships, Ovi becomes a bad girl - she can't compromise or use her pregnancy to her advantage or she should know that Arjun never promised to love her. I am really confused why such a different scale is being used when measuring these 2 characters and no one points out Arjun's flaw in their relationship.

I am glad though recently, Dr. Onir and Archana had made that attempt to open Arjun's eyes. It was Arjun's open declaration to the world of his love for Purvi, isn't the onus him now to convince Ovi that he was able to leave his past ghost behind and move on with his life where his wife and plays an important role. Doesn't he need to create the trust that has been broken so badly? So, why is Arjun the blamed in Arjun's Ovi's relationship - as we say in my tongue - we need 2 hands to clap. anyway my POV….

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Kalapi,

As far as I could make out, he wanted to make a go of the relationship, but that need not mean love, and especially in his case, I am sure it did not mean love.

On the other hand, it could perfectly well have meant mutual respect, understanding, caring, and loyalty. I did not see any indication in PR, as I have seen it till now, that he promised to love Ovi, and in any case, one cannot fall in love with another person to order. If Ovi thought he was going to fall in love with her, she was foolish. I once wrote that she had bought a house with a mortgage on it, and all she could hope for was that over time, the mortgage would be paid off, but if it never was, she would just have to live with that.

In any case, I think romantic love is a highly overrated sentiment, and is much less common, even in the West, than the poets make it out to be. In India, where arranged marriages are still substantially the norm, no one thinks of love in the romantic sense, though this is not to say it cannot happen between a husband and a wife. What they aim for is a sold relationship based on the aspects I had mentioned above, plus a sense of belonging together and with their children. Hundreds of thousands of marriages the world over thrive on these foundations, and they are none the worse for the spouses not being 'in love'.

On the other hand, what Ovi could and should have done, if she wanted Arjun to care for her a lot, was to use the child, about whom he is now obviously hung up, to keep him close and involved with her. However, the way she is behaving now is calculated to produce exactly the opposite effect.

Moreover, as a mother myself, I think very poorly of any woman who cares so little for her own child. A normal mother, even one abandoned by her husband, invariably strives hard to protect her child to the maximum she can. I have seen it even in very poor women who could barely make both ends meet by working all day. Some of them had highly abusive husbands to cope with as well.

When I think of them, and look at this spoilt, self-centred brat-woman, who does nothing but complain, does not care whether she poisons her unborn child with liquor or not, and who whines that she cannot stand the baby's kicking, she makes me sick. I have read your eloquent defence of her behaviour, seconded by Kools and Varsha, but I am afraid I am nowhere near sharing it , and I am still looking for that slipper!😉

Shyamala

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bips

^^^^^ @sashashyam

I think bec of the leap we missed arjuns pati avtaar completely. I think what made ovi so bitter is that he promised to give their relationship another go but refused to cease with the purvi jaap. Remember she caught him talking to his laptop having an imaginary conversation with purvi. And apparently this was not the first time. Its enough to drive any woman up the wall. So its not that he does not love her, but the fact that he is freaking obsessed with purvi. She thought it was over. She would have eventually got over him but He came to her instead and said lets try again. He slept with her bec his ex told him to. That is insane.


As for the baby thing, that no one can defend ovi. But all these scenes are to highlight good purvi and bad ovi. Its the one dimensional way of looking at characters that i hate. I can sought of understand a 19 year old not giving a damn abt anything even a baby. When i was 19, i was a brat with no perspective except what made me happy. I think most ppl that age are like this. but given how desperate ovi is for love, the more logical track would have to make her super possessive abt the baby. Finally she had someone who wld love her unconditionally. But this track is to show bad, bad ovi. So the viewer does not question how a husbands indifference can completely destroy a young, vibrant girl

Bips, I agree with you that the pregnancy track is only to glorify Purvi and shown Ovi as a bad mother...it is very amateurish in my POV and as you say very one dimensional, when Ovi's situation is much more layered than Purvi (as far we know). In fact today's baby kick seems to be like little Ronaldo, tired of mother's womb, kicking himself out for a Soccer match with his arch rival😉….if children kick like that, I think all mothers could complain😔

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kalapi my dear,

Of course Arjun is to blame too. As I wrote to bips, he should have stopped talking to his laptop, even if he never meant Ovi to hear that. He realises this now, as we could see from the way he was talking to himself at Kalighat.

But the fact is that if I was a man, and had a wife behaving like Ovi does, my first instinct would be to run away, or, failing that to shut her out by withdrawing into a shell. One sees many men like that, with shrill, acid tongued wives. Incidentally, Ovi has developed a positive flair for barbs, and some of them would be worthy of Oscar Wilde or Evelyn Waugh!

I have a feeling that even if Arjun now tries very hard to build a relationship with Ovi, she will not let it prosper, for she cares nothing for the baby. In fact, she sees it as a nuisance, not as something that she can love and who will love her back unconditionally, as bips points out. Instead, she seems to think of the baby as Arjun's weak point , and when she is enraged with him, she uses it to hit back at him and hurt him.

Do you remember Medea in the Greek tale of the Golden Fleece? She is so vengeful against her unfaithful husband Jason that she murders both their sons to get back at him. Of course Ovi is not quite up there with Medea, who was a terrible and awe-inspiring in her devilishness, but the principle of the thing is the same.

And it is not because she is 21 or 22. I think she would be the same at 40. There are any number of women who do not want children because they are afraid their figure will be spoilt! You and I would never be able to comprehend that mindset, but it exists, and I think Ovi is like that.

As for Arjun and Purvi, that is in a cul de sac, and I see no way they can get out of it. I personally feel that Purvi should stay put with Onir. Incidentally, today's scene between the two of them was very sweet, and there was a marked comfort level, especially when she laughs at him, asking him what he would be doing when another doctor would be handling her delivery, and he hems and haws. Incidentally, she calls him Onir.

I know that almost everyone (not yet me,however) believes that her baby is Arjun's , but watching them today, I found it difficult to believe that it was not their baby; the sense of shared involvement was so evident. Plus both of them refer, during the Durga Puja , to hamara bachcha.

Maybe it is wishful thinking,but Purvi is really incredibly lucky, and I think she will be much better off with Dr Onir than trying to patch up the old relationship with Arjun.Besides the point that it would be rank ingratitude if she were to summarily abandon Onir for Arjun. Not that she seems to be wanting to meet Arjun at all, quite the opposite, seeing what all she remembers after hearing his voice during her phone call with Archana.

Warm regards.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shyamala dearest, thanks for you response.

I agree with you that romantic love is very much over-rated these days and for a marriage to work, more than anything the couple needs to share respect, mutual understanding and the ability to compromise. Actually, I have said so myself many times in the forum

But when everyone complains and tells that how bad is Ovi is in the relationship, and she seems to be a bad mother, no one points out the fact how miserably Arjun has failed to to make his marriage work too. In fact, it is a merit that Arjun still loves Purvi and can't seem to move on. In essence his living in the past is an example of true love, but if Ovi complains as she has done that Purvi is an invisible being in their relationships, Ovi becomes a bad girl - she can't compromise or use her pregnancy to her advantage or she should know that Arjun never promised to love her. I am really confused why such a different scale is being used when measuring these 2 characters and no one points out Arjun's flaw in their relationship.

I am glad though recently, Dr. Onir and Archana had made that attempt to open Arjun's eyes. It was Arjun's open declaration to the world of his love for Purvi, isn't the onus him now to convince Ovi that he was able to leave his past ghost behind and move on with his life where his wife and plays an important role. Doesn't he need to create the trust that has been broken so badly? So, why is Arjun the blamed in Arjun's Ovi's relationship - as we say in my tongue - we need 2 hands to clap. anyway my POV'.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala dear, Ovi is behaving as such because she wants attention from Arjun, as Archana said herself today. Ovi has been shown a tad bit arrogant, but pardon me; I don't find it unnatural for a supermodel, raised in a country where blowing your own trumpet is taught early in life. In fact, Indians who migrate to this great country, fails quite a bit because of their inability to do just that. We are taught more humility than is needed for our success here, where cut throat competition takes many form. To me as I have said many time, Ovi turn to be a more real characters than the leads of the show.

Anyway, no one knows if Ovi could turn around if she gets the attention that she so desperately want (except Cv) She has been rejected a lot and has ended up being the second best. That could drive any girl mad. Of course, Cvs are trying hard to destroy her character, but they have never showed her to drink before nor being cruel or a bad human being. Even though she was rude with Archana before, but who couldn't, knowing that her mother walked out on them. She needs to be the priority in Archana and Arjun's now and she could turn around a different leaf(of course, Cvs could even kill her character, who knows). Her behavior towards her own child doesn't match up simply because Teju said that she missed their mother more than anything. A child, who missed her mother so much, can't be a bad mother herself. Of course, the whole track is to simply to glorify Purvi and show a contrast even if it distasteful and unbelievable.

But, the question is, could a section of the audience be able to accept if Ovi is shown glowing in happiness being an expectant mom and a wife to Arjun, it is the same carrot our honorable Cvs dangles in front of his audience ... even at the expense of making the show unbelievable...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Kalapi my dear,

Of course Arjun is to blame too. As I wrote to bips, he should have stopped talking to his laptop, even if he never meant Ovi to hear that. He realises this now, as we could see from the way he was talking to himself at Kalighat.

But the fact is that if I was a man, and had a wife behaving like Ovi does, my first instinct would be to run away, or, failing that to shut her out by withdrawing into a shell. One sees many men like that, with shrill, acid tongued wives. Incidentally, Ovi has developed a positive flair for barbs, and some of them would be worthy of Oscar Wilde or Evelyn Waugh!

I have a feeling that even if Arjun now tries very hard to build a relationship with Ovi, she will not let it prosper, for she cares nothing for the baby. In fact, she sees it as a nuisance, not as something that she can love and who will love her back unconditionally, as bips points out. Instead, she seems to think of the baby as Arjun's weak point , and when she is enraged with him, she uses it to hit back at him and hurt him.

Do you remember Medea in the Greek tale of the Golden Fleece? She is so vengeful against her unfaithful husband Jason that she murders both their sons to get back at him. Of course Ovi is not quite up there with Medea, who was a terrible and awe-inspiring in her devilishness, but the principle of the thing is the same.

And it is not because she is 21 or 22. I think she would be the same at 40. There are any number of women who do not want children because they are afraid their figure will be spoilt! You and I would never be able to comprehend that mindset, but it exists, and I think Ovi is like that.

As for Arjun and Purvi, that is in a cul de sac, and I see no way they can get out of it. I personally feel that Purvi should stay put with Onir. Incidentally, today's scene between the two of them was very sweet, and there was a marked comfort level, especially when she laughs at him, asking him what he would be doing when another doctor would be handling her delivery, and he hems and haws. Incidentally, she calls him Onir.

I know that almost everyone (not yet me,however) believes that her baby is Arjun's , but watching them today, I found it difficult to believe that it was not their baby; the sense of shared involvement was so evident. Plus both of them refer, during the Durga Puja , to hamara bachcha.

Maybe it is wishful thinking,but Purvi is really incredibly lucky, and I think she will be much better off with Dr Onir than trying to patch up the old relationship with Arjun.Besides the point that it would be rank ingratitude if she were to summarily abandon Onir for Arjun. Not that she seems to be wanting to meet Arjun at all, quite the opposite, seeing what all she remembers after hearing his voice during her phone call with Archana.

Warm regards.

Shyamala

Edited by Kalapi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi everyone...missed you all from 2 days...had a busy week was just waiting for friday evening...

this show is becoming annoying...irritating...senseless...top of everything CVs are really illiterates...i really recommend CVs to atleast attend Lamaze class

what are they trying to show...purvi and ovi are almost at the same stage of preggo...

and Dr.Onir who can say things just by seeing patients is not able to say that purvi is just feeling baby's laath marna...

in my view i don't see any complication in ovi pregnancy other than she is depressed, why does she need gynec...and this 25 years famous specialist gynec says that just ovi doesn't have any other complications than alcohol...i am not gynec even i could say that...

and why they are showing laath marna is such a painful thing...first laath of baby in 5th month is not at all painful thing and baby doesn't even develop the bone to push harder...and such big preggo tummys felt first laath now...those tummies doesn't look like first time 22 week preggo...i was skinny too, when i went to ultrasound in my 21st week my tummy didn't showup that much...

purvi not taking madicine is romantic and nice, but ovi not taking medicine is laparvayi, stubborn...

arjun said to ovi, she should not travel back to mumbai as she is having preggo troubles and it is not to travel, as i know it is the same time from mumbai to kolkatta and kolkatta to mumbai...so what logic this big business magnet arjun has...

why archu was making arjun undestand something, she shud take training from her mom and slap daamaad...o o i forgot you can slap daamad if that daamad holds and walk by holding your daughter's pallu...how can archu make understand ovi and archu how the preggo works, she by herself is a masterpeice in destroying relationships in preggo...

but should agree today is the first time archu talked something which makes sense...though it was not dilse, dilse she always gave badhdhuwa to Arjun-Ovi...

i am sure Ovi behaviour is down syndrome effect of everything archu did when twins were in archu's tummy...

if ovi is preggo of 22 weeks in 6 months leap...and purvi is 22 weeks preggo in 6 months leap, why purvi is having such a big tummy compared to ovi...how can purvi find a guy and then moveon with him get married and have romance and then become preggo...

i don't understand, if purvi is arjun's preggo then how can she is same preggo level as ovi...if purvi is onir's preggo then how she can be in this stage of preggo so soon...nothing makes sense for me...

and why they are doing this Durga puja thing, it is not dussera time, they did all the festivals and took the 6 months leap and they came to dussera time...so stupid...

PR first made thamasha of indian wedding, then education, then business ethics, then foreign ethics, then goons and now doctors...

regarding precap, do you think it is purvi's dream or real...if at all it is real, do you think archu will tell to everyone(atleast manav) that she saw preggo purvi, or she is going to hide...
Edited by m_masti - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

Yes, Shanko it is, for us😃

Very true comment by Masti...I not being even preggo fail miserably😃...she was holding her breath so long and depriving the baby of the much needed fresh oxygen...
Btw, I am wondering too, where is she today?


thanks kools and kalapi...i am back...had a busy week...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Didn't see today's PR but masti enjoyed ur post

what happened




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Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shyamala dear, Ovi is behaving as such because she wants attention from Arjun, as Archana said herself today. Ovi has been shown a tad bit arrogant, but pardon me; I don't find it unnatural for a supermodel, raised in a country where blowing your own trumpet is taught early in life. In fact, Indians who migrate to this great country, fails quite a bit because of their inability to do just that. We are taught more humility than is needed for our success here, where cut throat competition takes many form. To me as I have said many time, Ovi turn to be a more real characters than the leads of the show.

Anyway, no one knows if Ovi could turn around if she gets the attention that she so desperately want (except Cv) She has been rejected a lot and has ended up being the second best. That could drive any girl mad. Of course, Cvs are trying hard to destroy her character, but they have never showed her to drink before nor being cruel or a bad human being. Even though she was rude with Archana before, but who couldn't, knowing that her mother walked out on them. She needs to be the priority in Archana and Arjun's now and she could turn around a different leaf(of course, Cvs could even kill her character, who knows). Her behavior towards her own child doesn't match up simply because Teju said that she missed their mother more than anything. A child, who missed her mother so much, can't be a bad mother herself. Of course, the whole track is to simply to glorify Purvi and show a contrast even if it distasteful and unbelievable.

But, the question is, could a section of the audience be able to accept if Ovi is shown glowing in happiness being an expectant mom and a wife to Arjun, it is the same carrot our honorable Cvs dangles in front of his audience ... even at the expense of making the show unbelievable...



I feel like I have been taking Ovi's side a lot lately when really I was an ArVi fan. Its strange how perspectives change...mine changed the moment i saw Ovi in the same position as me. I grew up with very busy divorced parents. Daddy lived in London and Aai lived in NYC so I lived between my Aazuba in Mumbai and boarding school outside London. I missed my aai a lot growing up and did a lot of stupid things for her attention. when my aai retired I was already in college and then right after college my aazuba arranged my marriage and I obliged. Aai regrets never being close to me and when I was pregnant she was there for me but that changed nothing. there was a strange lack of understanding there. it was difficult for me to come to terms with my pregnancy as well...many insecurities from growing up without aai. I was around her age as well at 22. i thought this would ruin my life cos my husband loved someone else and our relationship was not very good. i felt lonely and stuck. but he came through for me and showered me with attention and care. assured me that I could do it. my sons now nearly 2 and a happy healthy child and my relationship with my husband is really good. he loves me and i love him. my relationship with my stepsons mum is really good as well. all ovi wants is the same thing. notice the distinct difference in reactions to wife not having medicine between onir and arjun. thats what makes or breaks relationships.

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