Minnie's Father, From Ashok to HS

Minnie has never felt the love of a father before HS. Yes, she had dadu and Sukhi as father-figures, but that was mostly materialistic.

In the sense that while they provided her with tangible and other amenities, they never tried to understand her or help her emotionally.

Did they ever speak to Ashok about shifting home or taking Minnie along because his daughter needs him?

Leave that, did they ever try to maintain conversation between them via phones etc? As far as I remember, Ashok didn't even remember how old his own frigging daughter was.

All her wishes were heard and fulfilled, but nobody actually paid close attention to her emotional well-being. No wonder she's a control freak and has to have things done her way. That was a form of overcompensation from her family. To coddle her enough to make up for the absentee father.

Then HS came into her life. Strict and a disciplinarian, but andar se mom ki tarah soft. She expected a slap on the wrist for beating Khatri and was defensive.

What she got instead was a beautiful soul taking one look at her and understanding what exactly had gone down. He didn't give her a free pass. He tried to make her understand that violence isn't the answer, but he also understood her emotions.

He has been able to see her for who she is, not as a daughter or grand daughter, etc., but as a person. This was something lacking from her life before. All her friends and family had put her in a mould that she couldn't seem to grow out of. HS saw her as a troubled child and held out a hand to help.

HS involved himself in her life. He didn't sit back and expect her to manage things because it's Minnie (like others do). He went a step ahead and started helping her out at an age where she needed the guidance most.

It's funny that Minnie went with her mother for job application, whereas Babes didn't accompany Minnie for the college admission. No wonder this girl is headstrong and wants to be a part of all decisions, because she's been brought up that way. She only knows how to be like that.

Hannie's relationship hasn't grown to the point which most of us had hoped. Right now, it's tentative at best. Even if they're a team now, it's to tackle Babes and nothing else.

If at some point, HS and Minnie don't truly grow into the roles of father-daughter or something close, Minnie would feel the effects of that her entire life. She would grow resentful.

She has gotten a taste of what having a mentor around is like. She has gotten a taste of being pampered and loved while simultaneously learning so much from HS.

Even if she doesn't realise it or comprehend it, she needs HS in her life and as a father.

These thoughts were swirling around in my head, so I just decided to pen them down.

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I love you for putting this down so beautifully, especially these lines:

If at some point, HS and Minnie don't truly grow into the roles of father-daughter or something close, Minnie would feel the effects of that her entire life. She would grow resentful.

She has gotten a taste of what having a mentor around is like. She has gotten a taste of being pampered and loved while simultaneously learning so much from HS.

Even if she doesn't realise it or comprehend it, she needs HS in her life and as a father.

She doesn't realize exactly how much she needs him, though in her conversation with Mickey and Preet her yearning to be wanted by HS was evident. I guess she doesn't want to get her hopes up again in case she is disappointed by HS the way she was by Ashok. I can understand her insecurities, but if only she knew just how important she is to HS.

Sigh... these two...

Originally posted by: tk2015

Minnie has never felt the love of a father before HS. Yes, she had dadu and Sukhi as father-figures, but that was mostly materialistic.

In the sense that while they provided her with tangible and other amenities, they never tried to understand her or help her emotionally.

Did they ever speak to Ashok about shifting home or taking Minnie along because his daughter needs him?

Leave that, did they ever try to maintain conversation between them via phones etc? As far as I remember, Ashok didn't even remember how old his own frigging daughter was.

All her wishes were heard and fulfilled, but nobody actually paid close attention to her emotional well-being. No wonder she's a control freak and has to have things done her way. That was a form of overcompensation from her family. To coddle her enough to make up for the absentee father.

Then HS came into her life. Strict and a disciplinarian, but andar se mom ki tarah soft. She expected a slap on the wrist for beating Khatri and was defensive.

What she got instead was a beautiful soul taking one look at her and understanding what exactly had gone down. He didn't give her a free pass. He tried to make her understand that violence isn't the answer, but he also understood her emotions.

He has been able to see her for who she is, not as a daughter or grand daughter, etc., but as a person. This was something lacking from her life before. All her friends and family had put her in a mould that she couldn't seem to grow out of. HS saw her as a troubled child and held out a hand to help.

HS involved himself in her life. He didn't sit back and expect her to manage things because it's Minnie (like others do). He went a step ahead and started helping her out at an age where she needed the guidance most.

It's funny that Minnie went with her mother for job application, whereas Babes didn't accompany Minnie for the college admission. No wonder this girl is headstrong and wants to be a part of all decisions, because she's been brought up that way. She only knows how to be like that.

Hannie's relationship hasn't grown to the point which most of us had hoped. Right now, it's tentative at best. Even if they're a team now, it's to tackle Babes and nothing else.

If at some point, HS and Minnie don't truly grow into the roles of father-daughter or something close, Minnie would feel the effects of that her entire life. She would grow resentful.

She has gotten a taste of what having a mentor around is like. She has gotten a taste of being pampered and loved while simultaneously learning so much from HS.

Even if she doesn't realise it or comprehend it, she needs HS in her life and as a father.

These thoughts were swirling around in my head, so I just decided to pen them down.

@ bold yes exactly . i dont like the hate she gets for being headstrong and wanting to be a part of most decisions. Its also because she generally takes the right decisions. Also that is the way she is because she had to become that way because babita was to gullible and weak. Its better if babes mini sit down discuss and then reach a conclusion instead of forcing decisions on each other. Babita has to learn this and mini too. Also they never had the mother daughter relationship they have always been on an equal footing so its better we dont view them as one.

@ bold2 yes exactly mini did say that she felt happy with HS calling her his daughter. But right now she thinks he dosent need her. I still feel it is HS turn to step up and tell her how much she is needed in his life. Him ignoring her after the cd fiasco has only led her to believe the she is not much important in his scheme of things.

Originally posted by: inlieu

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I love you for putting this down so beautifully, especially these lines:

If at some point, HS and Minnie don't truly grow into the roles of father-daughter or something close, Minnie would feel the effects of that her entire life. She would grow resentful.

She has gotten a taste of what having a mentor around is like. She has gotten a taste of being pampered and loved while simultaneously learning so much from HS.

Even if she doesn't realise it or comprehend it, she needs HS in her life and as a father.

She doesn't realize exactly how much she needs him, though in her conversation with Mickey and Preet her yearning to be wanted by HS was evident. I guess she doesn't want to get her hopes up again in case she is disappointed by HS the way she was by Ashok. I can understand her insecurities, but if only she knew just how important she is to HS.

Sigh... these two...

Just one honest conversation and all these unnecessary misunderstandings and insecurities would be dispelled for both of them.

Plus, we've always seen HS say tu first hain, Jigar ka tukra and he can't live without her (and B). We've not once heard Minnie say that she loves him so much and needs him in her life.

She hasn't even focused on her emotions regarding what she needs from HS. Until she does, even a conversation with him would be moot.

Originally posted by: naq5

@ bold yes exactly . i dont like the hate she gets for being headstrong and wanting to be a part of most decisions. Its also because she generally takes the right decisions. Also that is the way she is because she had to become that way because babita was to gullible and weak. Its better if babes mini sit down discuss and then reach a conclusion instead of forcing decisions on each other. Babita has to learn this and mini too. Also they never had the mother daughter relationship they have always been on an equal footing so its better we dont view them as one.

@ bold2 yes exactly mini did say that she felt happy with HS calling her his daughter. But right now she thinks he dosent need her. I still feel it is HS turn to step up and tell her how much she is needed in his life. Him ignoring her after the cd fiasco has only led her to believe the she is not much important in his scheme of things.

Remember during the very starting few episodes she had to go get the cooler fixed? Ashok was coming home and the people given the job to fix the cooler wanted to earn money from Babita because of her naivety?

Minnie had to step in and make things work. Who knows since when this kid has been mopping around mess created by other people?

I completely understand where her issues stem from. I just want to see them addressed properly so that she doesn't have to burden herself unnecessarily anymore. Or hurt/ suppress those around her along the way.

As for a conversation with Babes, there a long way to go before that can happen. Minnie has to learn how to trust the decisions Babes makes. Babes too has to view Minnie as an adult and not just as per her convenience.

Yes, it's time for HS to step up and become her father. Minnie too, needs to show him the love of a daughter and stand by him like she did durng the court case.

Originally posted by: tk2015

Just one honest conversation and all these unnecessary misunderstandings and insecurities would be dispelled for both of them.

Plus, we've always seen HS say tu first hain, Jigar ka tukra and he can't live without her (and B). We've not once heard Minnie say that she loves him so much and needs him in her life.

She hasn't even focused on her emotions regarding what she needs from HS. Until she does, even a conversation with him would be moot.

Originally posted by: tk2015

Remember during the very starting few episodes she had to go get the cooler fixed? Ashok was coming home and the people given the job to fix the cooler wanted to earn money from Babita because of her naivety?

Minnie had to step in and make things work. Who knows since when this kid has been mopping around mess created by other people?

I completely understand where her issues stem from. I just want to see them addressed properly so that she doesn't have to burden herself unnecessarily anymore. Or hurt/ suppress those around her along the way.

As for a conversation with Babes, there a long way to go before that can happen. Minnie has to learn how to trust the decisions Babes makes. Babes too has to view Minnie as an adult and not just as per her convenience.

Yes, it's time for HS to step up and become her father. Minnie too, needs to show him the love of a daughter and stand by him like she did durng the court case.

@ bold exactly not only that she literally had to pull her mother out of the house. She was the one who first realised that babita -ashok relation is not what her mother showed to her. I remember how broken she was at the gurudwara thinking where they will go as pinku mama too dint want to keep them at their house. Was a girl that age supposed to be worrying like that instead of her mother . was she supposed to be taking initiatives instead of her mother - No . yet she took them. I dont think mini can reverse these years and these experiences and become a child to her parents now. she is 18 anyway. She needs to accept that she cannot keep controlling all situations but this is something headstrong people take a lifetime to learn.

And why did she have to go through that? one of the reason is babita was not financially independent. If she wants babita to concentrate on the business which they both have established its not wrong. Babes is right now full with HS love. but remember no one came to support them not even Babitas own brother and wife who is now teaching babes how sindoor is so important to a woman and she was incomplete without it.

Originally posted by: tk2015

Just one honest conversation and all these unnecessary misunderstandings and insecurities would be dispelled for both of them.

Plus, we've always seen HS say tu first hain, Jigar ka tukra and he can't live without her (and B). We've not once heard Minnie say that she loves him so much and needs him in her life.

She hasn't even focused on her emotions regarding what she needs from HS. Until she does, even a conversation with him would be moot.

Totally agree. HS asked her if she would be happy having him around as just her mother's husband. She said she would survive but after a point it won't be enough. I want her to come to this realization herself and then haq se expect more, maybe even claim him as her father. I don't know.

She really needs space so that she can think about herself. She doesn't get the chance and what free time she has, she is now running around for the business.

She told him she needs him as a friend and a guide but the truth is that she still wants him to be her her hero, she still wants him as a father (figure), maybe even more than before but she has gotten into the habit of not asking for much from life and like HS, seems to have gone into compromise mode after the wedding.

Their situation is almost tragic but beautiful.

So so amazingly you've put everything down.

Jean will toh love it and I loved it too!

Exactly. I feel somehow she has again pulled herself back, not accepting what HS offers her - unconditional love and support - not necessarily as a father but as a mentor.

Ofcourse it was HS who severed the bond but then, Mini needs to realise that trust once broken can be rebuilt again. Not just here but even for life. She IS missing this in her life. And she refuses to acknowledge it.

I don't know what stopped her from telling HS that Babita isn't concentrating on her business or that they've an important order. Like a snail she has retracted in her shell. Why Mini why? Open your arms once again. And HS won't disappoint you. Cause just as she doesn't have any experience in being a daughter, he too is a newborn father.

Also one more thing that comes to my mind - that Mini too broke his trust once by doubting his intentions. But he ignored all of it for his love for her. Why can't Mini let go just ONE, one mistake of his?

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

So so amazingly you've put everything down.

Jean will toh love it and I loved it too!

Exactly. I feel somehow she has again pulled herself back, not accepting what HS offers her - unconditional love and support - not necessarily as a father but as a mentor.

Ofcourse it was HS who severed the bond but then, Mini needs to realise that trust once broken can be rebuilt again. Not just here but even for life. She IS missing this in her life. And she refuses to acknowledge it.

I don't know what stopped her from telling HS that Babita isn't concentrating on her business or that they've an important order. Like a snail she has retracted in her shell. Why Mini why? Open your arms once again. And HS won't disappoint you. Cause just as she doesn't have any experience in being a daughter, he too is a newborn father.

Also one more thing that comes to my mind - that Mini too broke his trust once by doubting his intentions. But he ignored all of it for his love for her. Why can't Mini let go just ONE, one mistake of his?

I did love it, and you thinking about me is just Awwwwww 🤗

I am glad someone else agrees with what I've been saying that he is a newborn father too. He will learn, just as she has to learn to become a daughter, organically.

Minnie set the bar so high that seeing imperfections in him made him immediately 'fall from grace' in her eyes, but things aren't binary. He can be imperfect as a human being but still be the perfect one to be her father. She has a lot to learn about relationships.

Yes, she broke his trust and as he said to Babita - bohot takleef hui, par it's ok. Part of that came out in his pained conversation with her during the CD fiasco - he reminded her of that incident. The feeling of rejection on both sides is palpable and it's such a shame that they both adore each other but are insecure to the point of not wanting to hope again. She also needs to forgive him the way she seems to have forgiven everyone else around.

I don't want HS to be complacent, I want him to for once fight to keep her in his life, haq se treat her like a daughter and shower her with all the paternal love that he never got as a kid. He has all the right ingredients anyway.

I just thought of something. You remember when he was telling Minnie about his childhood and how at one point he said 'zabaan pe taala lag gaya, kuch bol na paya'? Exactly that has happened to him again, which is why he seems unable to go past his mental block of his.

Anyway, I don't think he should be the only one to try to make this work but as the parent I want him to ease up and step up.