Minnie's Father, From Ashok to HS - Page 3

Originally posted by: naq5

yes depression track but there too babita only saw it as mini missing her grandparents and got them back to her and believed the issue was solved. Where as minis depression had a lot of other deep seeded issues too. The issue of being abandoned by her own father, coming to terms with that she was not needed in his life and she would never get a fathers love, being homeless after pinku too dint want to keep them, the need for being strong and mothering her mother then, the court case, needing to sell off her scooty. Babita not trusting her with her male friends and preet breaking friendship with her & manmeet case where her integrity was questioned were the last straw. But again babita saw just one aspect But in real mini has not yet come out of her depression. She has learnt to ignore and live with it. Her i will survive speaks of that. And babita is actually again recreating some situations again. And with HS being pushed away due to babias insecurities even he cannot get through her now.

that will happen when HS tells her how he misses both of them together as a unit, that he needs her in his life. because im sure mini misses that too. they did communicate on their own level before CD fiasco happened. after that interaction has been to either HS saying sorry or scolding her because of babita. He needs to go upto her and speak to her other than this.

Is it? I haven't rewatched the depression track in a while but I don't think Babita thought Mini was only depressed cuz of her grandparents....didn't she take her to the therapist for the whole thing to be explored? So I thought at that time, Babita did realize that Mini needed help beyond just having her grandparents back in her life.

But yes, Mini never really came out of her depression fully...she's just learnt to suppress it now to survive. And sadly, now Babita is too caught up in other things to realize what her daughter is struggling with. She thinks just sticking HS next to Mini will solve everything....but all she's actually done is create more distance between HS and Mini.

Re: HS....can he just stop saying sorry and thank you to Mini all the time? Pleaaaase drop the formality now yaar.....I want Mini to chide him next time he says a formal thank you to her....bahut ho gaya.

Yeah, he needs to find a way to talk to her....I appreciate that he made an effort with the birthday talk but there needs to be a lot more of that continuously to rebuild them as a unit. They need to talk about each other rather than Babita all the time.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I want some more exploration of Mini's thoughts on Ashok as a father.

Babita mentioned in her ranting last week that for Mini's birthday, Ashok used to send her gift parcels.....we got to hear Babita's take on it....that Mini used to wait all day just for that gift parcel and none of the other gifts from her family mattered to her as much as the parcel from Ashok. So clearly she had some level of attachment to Ashok even if he was an absent father.

Then what are her thoughts now? Why are we never shown even a small glimpse? And now that HS has heard Babita mention this....can he initiate a conversation on his own with Mini about it to know her feelings?

Yes, I get it....Ashok ka topic is hard for HS to raise too....it's weird to talk about the man that caused so much pain to Mini and Babita.....but I still want to see these conversations happen.....I want to know what Mini's thoughts were for all those years about her father who's gifts she waited for.....if she also waited eagerly every year, where did those emotions go? Something has to be resolved there as well.

She's had the conversation with HS about how they will manage their relationship on their own without pressure to conform.....but they both need to start confiding in each other about their thoughts, emotions again as well. Mini used to share this with him before each time Ashok's nonsense left a fresh batch of wounds on her and Babita's psyche......I wish she would do it again.....and I want her to talk about her OWN pain vis a vis Ashok....not just Babita's. Come on, HS....Babita se toh baat kar li, Mini se bhi is topic pe baat karna zaroori hai.

yes these are things that mini has never revealed. not to babita also and i wonder if she herself has thought about these things. i would like to know her thoughts. She obviously would have a lot of pain inside her which she put aside to take give babita's pain importance.

The last time she spoke about wanting ashok was when she was telling babita that this time they have to go with him to london because she never got to be with her father. But as usual babita scolded her and asked her not to demand this from ashok as he would say it himself if he was okay with it. I dont know which world babita lived in. For her doing seva of beeji daadu was more important than her childs wishes

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ab kya trigger bach gaya hai? I guess HS needs to land in the hospital for something to trigger Mini and Babita both😕😆

I do think for Mini especially, that jolt is needed....she isn't realizing the magnitude of emotion she has for him otherwise.

Babita ji ne toh bataa hi diya hai ki woh kitna DOOB chuki hain HS mein😆....so I guess she's fine for now.....lol

No, I meant the trigger is needed for Minnie, not Babita.

I am not a bloodthirsty person but perhaps something major does need to happen to HS that makes Minnie afraid of losing him, for her to realize exactly what he means to her and how her life would be incomplete without his presence.

Originally posted by: inlieu

No, I meant the trigger is needed for Minnie, not Babita.

I am not a bloodthirsty person but perhaps something major does need to happen to HS that makes Minnie afraid of losing him, for her to realize exactly what he means to her and how her life would be incomplete without his presence.

We may not be bloodthirsty people, but the writers DEFINITELY are😆....so it makes it more likely that aisa hi kuch hoga.

Role reversal of hospital scene....this time HS will be on the bed and Mini will be the one telling him how much he means to her.....not just "care", not just a "guide", not just "concern"...and not even just a "hero"....but so much more.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I want some more exploration of Mini's thoughts on Ashok as a father.

Babita mentioned in her ranting last week that for Mini's birthday, Ashok used to send her gift parcels.....we got to hear Babita's take on it....that Mini used to wait all day just for that gift parcel and none of the other gifts from her family mattered to her as much as the parcel from Ashok. So clearly she had some level of attachment to Ashok even if he was an absent father.

Then what are her thoughts now? Why are we never shown even a small glimpse? And now that HS has heard Babita mention this....can he initiate a conversation on his own with Mini about it to know her feelings?

Yes, I get it....Ashok ka topic is hard for HS to raise too....it's weird to talk about the man that caused so much pain to Mini and Babita.....but I still want to see these conversations happen.....I want to know what Mini's thoughts were for all those years about her father who's gifts she waited for.....if she also waited eagerly every year, where did those emotions go? Something has to be resolved there as well.

She's had the conversation with HS about how they will manage their relationship on their own without pressure to conform.....but they both need to start confiding in each other about their thoughts, emotions again as well. Mini used to share this with him before each time Ashok's nonsense left a fresh batch of wounds on her and Babita's psyche......I wish she would do it again.....and I want her to talk about her OWN pain vis a vis Ashok....not just Babita's. Come on, HS....Babita se toh baat kar li, Mini se bhi is topic pe baat karna zaroori hai.

Exactly, her own pain this time.

I think HS will have to bring the topic up, perhaps in relation to his own daddy issues. He suddenly brought up Mirza sahab as a sort of father figure the other day, so perhaps some of that void was filled as he was growing up. The fact that Mirza sahab showed so much trust in HS to go make something of himself and be honest with his work says a great deal and HS too got really emotional talking about him and being his son. It was a great parallel to his situation with Minnie, he needs to be like that Mirza sahab to her, and perhaps he will end up being the one to send her abroad for studies.

HS knows what Minnie has struggled with since he met her, but talking about it is important. I loved it when way back he told her she didn't need to be brave all the time and I hope he gets his mojo back to give her that secure space to reach out to him as a child needs a parent.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

lol ab kis muh se bolegi yeh Mini HS ko.....ki err my mom is too lattu over you now and I'm not sure that's good for her overall😆

Imagine that! I don't know who'd be more embarrassed, HS or Minnie.🤣

Originally posted by: naq5

that will happen when HS tells her how he misses both of them together as a unit, that he needs her in his life. because im sure mini misses that too. they did communicate on their own level before CD fiasco happened. after that interaction has been to either HS saying sorry or scolding her because of babita. He needs to go upto her and speak to her other than this.

I think he kind of knows it too but needs to let go of his fear and not take her at face value when she says she's fine with him just being her mother's husband. He didn't sound too convinced so I hope he does act upon it. Methinks Chachi's arrival will open up some other points.

Originally posted by: naq5

yes these are things that mini has never revealed. not to babita also and i wonder if she herself has thought about these things. i would like to know her thoughts. She obviously would have a lot of pain inside her which she put aside to take give babita's pain importance.

The last time she spoke about wanting ashok was when she was telling babita that this time they have to go with him to london because she never got to be with her father. But as usual babita scolded her and asked her not to demand this from ashok as he would say it himself if he was okay with it. I dont know which world babita lived in. For her doing seva of beeji daadu was more important than her childs wishes

Babita lives in Pati ka PREMLOK ji😆....always.....haha

Wow, so I haven't watched those early epis even now but I guess I'm not surprised anymore to hear that Babita told Mini not to expect being taken to London with her father unless her father himself let her know if he could....lol apni beti ko bhi wish and hope karne se rok rahi thi Babita...*facepalm*

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Is it? I haven't rewatched the depression track in a while but I don't think Babita thought Mini was only depressed cuz of her grandparents....didn't she take her to the therapist for the whole thing to be explored? So I thought at that time, Babita did realize that Mini needed help beyond just having her grandparents back in her life.

But yes, Mini never really came out of her depression fully...she's just learnt to suppress it now to survive. And sadly, now Babita is too caught up in other things to realize what her daughter is struggling with. She thinks just sticking HS next to Mini will solve everything....but all she's actually done is create more distance between HS and Mini.

Re: HS....can he just stop saying sorry and thank you to Mini all the time? Pleaaaase drop the formality now yaar.....I want Mini to chide him next time he says a formal thank you to her....bahut ho gaya.

Yeah, he needs to find a way to talk to her....I appreciate that he made an effort with the birthday talk but there needs to be a lot more of that continuously to rebuild them as a unit. They need to talk about each other rather than Babita all the time.

no she dint think mini was depressed only due to her grandparents but once she got her grandparents to her she thought the solution was found to her depression.

mini went to the therapist once, after that he asked mini to write down her thoughts . mini wrote down as to how she misses her grandparents and teasing lovely bua. So thats it babita got them back to her & accepted mickey as her friend as he had been helping her. Preet - mini sorted out issues and depression was temporarily solved. mini never went back to the therapist again & the rest of the issues were not solved. Even if babita realised there were other issues she never spoke to mini about them.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Yeah, he needs to find a way to talk to her....I appreciate that he made an effort with the birthday talk but there needs to be a lot more of that continuously to rebuild them as a unit. They need to talk about each other rather than Babita all the time.

THIS... In the past they talked about each other's issues but of late it's been only about Babita's issues, her problems, her happiness etc. Sure, it's important as she is the common person between them, but there's more to life than just her matters. Minnie especially needs to open up, she's suffocating as well, and HS is the only one who can truly get through to her. I want him to also find out about the Meeta comment and how much it hurt her, as well the true impact of the CD fiasco.