The complicated web of relationships - Page 11

Originally posted by: naq5

chalo at least someone sees that Babita is also at fault in all this.

One thing i would like to know is when was babita tortured by Sr khuranas. there are one or two people like lovely in joint family. you have to deal with them in your own way. Most people will side with their own khoon over the DIL but i do remember dadu calling out lovely for her taunts. She did have support too.

Mini is very right in telling Babita that she too dint stand up for herself so she cannot only blame the sr khurnas for her situation. Babita dint even allow mini to speak up when she wanted to. If you dont ask how are you expected to get anything

Why did babita keep a relation with khuranas fully knowing how they are even after her divorce with ashok. She made a cake for beeji and sent it through mini. She was so happy when they moved to NB s place. mini was only one of reason she kept in touch with them. it is very clear she had spent 17 yrs of her life with them. she had no one who would care or she could look up to as elders or family. her own brother had not kept ties with her. so she needed them emotionally. now that she has HS & NB in her life she dosent want to have to do anything with them. Also all these years even after divorce dint she know that they never gave her her proper rights then why did she care for them then. just because she has said what was in her mind the care vanishes.

i still believe whatever her reason for sending ashok away- weather it was good for ashok, mini or herself or everyone involved , when she made a deal with ashok to release him and send him away she was in a way taking upon the responsibility of Sr khuranas. Which i think she was wiling to do at that point. Suddenly if she decides to not have to do anything with khuranas she needs to inform ashok to come and take his parents away. It cannot all come on mini because she wants to shy away from it now after wanting to do it initially. Mini is very young to do all this alone, has a career to make & grow & after looking after babita all these years she cannot be tied up again with responsibilities of Sr khuranas now. I know Babita is not forcing mini to take responsibility of them but suddenly not wanting to have them in her life is as good as putting the onus on her because there is no one left other than her.

Daadu has been a mixed bag.....sometimes once in a while he called out Lovely for her misbehavior and even pushed back when Beeji was being unreasonable....but mostly he lets a lot of Lovely's nonsense slide.....

I sometimes get the sense that Babita feels let down by him...she expected more from him because he's otherwise been affectionate with her....but he didn't step up when she needed him.

Beeji ki selfishness toh is more obvious than Daadu's....lol wahaan toh koi expect bhi kya kare.

But I agree with your point that no matter what she says, Babita did become dependent on them emotionally.....there is an emotional bond there underneath all this bitterness....and that is what needs to be tackled in this track......I think Babita is conflicted about how to reconcile her past with her present....she has HS and Mini now....she has NB and Laale....but the 17 years spent with Daadu Beeji as parental figures in her life are not easy to forget I guess.

The resentment about her doing seva for them is just one part of this.....I sometimes get the feeling that she did all that seva and expected a reward for it in the form of getting to go away with Ashok....when she didn't get that, the resentment built up.....and she never voiced it out until the outburst at the wedding.

And yes, sending Ashok away in a sense freed him from taking responsibility for his parents.....now who is in a position to even talk to him? HS kyun baat karega Ashok se bhai? lol and Babita herself wouldn't want to.....whether they like it or not, their lives are all entangled cuz at some point or the other, they've interfered in each other's lives for whatever reason.

Mini basically is trying to do things on her own level because she doesn't want any obligations from the adults....she wants everyone to be happy in their lives but she herself can't be at peace seeing her grandparents in this state.

Originally posted by: naq5

yes cd has very much been in picture before.

1st or 2nd epi when ashok is coming back babita watches the cd along with mini.

A few days later when mini speaks to Ashok inspite of babitas warnings to take them to london with him, she mentions how her babes has over watched the marriage CD mostly everyday just to see ashok and cries and smiles while watching it, makes mini too watch along with it.

After the EMA truth is out Mini again talks about how babes kept watching the CD to see him and how much she waited for ashok.

The CD actually has been the main connect to Ashok for babita for those 17 years

I was actually annoyed why HS was questioning mini instead of babita as to why she even actually kept the CD. Looks like Babes is to too innocent and a tortured soul so no one questions her

@bold: Baat toh khari bol di aapne😆

Thanks for the background on the CD....I skipped all those early epis so I didn't know Babita was that emotionally attached to the CD....I guess HS doesn't know either....and he's probably too scared to ask her directly why she's still so attached to it after having burnt all other stuff from her shaadi with Ashok.

Originally posted by: _Reka_

Don't worry, I was just contemplating absurd scenarios how the immediate problem of not having a place to stay at could be solved🙃🙂 I still think the whole issue will lead to the opening of yet more rooms in hs's haveli do other stories of rather traumata can surface.. As an addition to the Minnie-Babita issues

Yes, I expect some parallels to be drawn to HS also taking care of his father despite the fractured relationship....so his trauma can be dissected alongside that of Mini and Babita. Let’s see.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Waise I have to give it to the makers....they are showing that simply having sex in marriage doesn't mean you've truly and completely fallen in love.....it's just one aspect....there are many other things to navigate to get to true companionship.

HS and Babitha may or may not fall in love completely but they will have respect , friendship and Mini to make their marriage a happy one. It's more than enough to keep them together for lifetime. We may not witness passion in their relationship but love stemmed from mutual respect is the strongest one.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Good point. She definitely looks like she needs serious counseling, given how she is twisting a lot of things inside her head.

But I don’t know if they will be bold enough to go there. The kind of personality that Babita is...who barely opens up to her loved ones that show so much patience with her....she’s unlikely to open up to a stranger 🤷‍♀️

But it's an important message for society that sometimes people need to understand and acknowledge the fact that they need help, and there's no shame in that.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I completely agree. I don’t see any hypocrisy from HS there. He handled it as best as he could given that Babita is in no state to be reasonable right now. And yes, this is only a temporary solution....in the long term, Babita can’t be shielded from everything for the sake of the “no tears” rule he has. Lol

Yes, Mini does look exhausted by Babita even now....but again, Babita leaves no scope for her loved ones to talk to her directly. So they have to manage around her. Remains to be seen if they all learn something from this.

I want to see a convo between HS and Mini about this grandparents situation in more detail. He saw the look on her face but I still want them to talk.

I agree, they need to talk about it, as they always have in the past. There are both still raw from the CD fiasco so I hope they won't repeat the same mistakes by making assumptions or decisions without consulting one another.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Yes. Also they have broken the stereotype of couple consummating marriage after years. . Body has it's own mind. It's impossible to ignore your physical needs even if you are not completely in love. I must say they have taken the most realistic approach here.

HS and Babitha may or may not fall in love completely but they will have respect , friendship and Mini to make their marriage a happy one. It's more than enough to keep them together for lifetime. We may not witness passion in their relationship but love stemmed from mutual respect is the strongest one.

Exactly. They’ve shown it realistically how two people who have basic care and attraction towards each other will obviously have sex as they begin their marriage....that sex doesn’t necessarily need to come from deep love, but it becomes a first step in communication and developing comfort.

That’s the stage HB seem to be at right now. But I think issues will crop up with time because they went into this marriage without clarity. Now they are following the basic patterns but they are yet to fully open up to each other.

It’s up to them what level of marriage they carve out of this in the long run...they have basic friendship and care for each other so they can have basic companionship....but a true level of mutual respect and regard...there’s a way to go there. Especially from Babita’s side.

Marriage can either be a convenient arrangement of comfort for companionship or it can be more soulful in terms of truly understanding each other.....whether or not that equality is ever achieved in this marriage remains to be seen.

For now, I see the intent of the current status between HB, but I feel kinda detached...lol....because the larger arc is still ambiguous regarding how strong their love may or may not be.

Originally posted by: porankisrilata

I know... Real. Life the society comments are really irritating but do u really think if Minni leaves dadu beeji to their fate the society won't comment anything or if Babita takes care of khuranas the society won't pass any judgements no they will...

Aap kuch bhi karo society have to be judgemental... So bottom line is Society jaye bhad me do what u feel is right and what u wish... Jaise HS bolta hai.. As u wish is u like....

That's what is the point koi galat nahi hai everybody are right on their point of view...but koi bhi baat rakhne ki ek tarreka hota hai jo dono maa beti ko nahi aata... Ya phir baatein chupati hai ya impulsive reaction dete hai...

Originally posted by: Jiarao

1. Even if Mini cuts all the ties with Khuraanas Babitha will still be affected by them .Ashok and Khuraanas reside in her head . Until she decides to remove them from her mind, their presence and absence will affect her equally. Only she can help herself inthis matter.

2. This is what I am concerned about. If not a true father-daughter they can atleast go back to Hanuman uncle-Veer balika equation. I miss their conversations.

3. Once she becomes indifferent to Ashok and Khuraanas their relationship may actually evolve into true companionship. I liked it yesterday that he did not mask his worries with smile infront of her. She could notice it.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I liked that she sensed he was worried about something too but I still don’t really get a sense of a unit from them.

Babita is too much in her own head all the time....she’s more comfortable with him now, yeah but the sense of true companionship isn’t there.

Remains to be seen how/if the writers develop it to that extent 🤷‍♀️😆

Give her time, in fact, give them both time. As HS said, it's a lifetime commitment. There's still a lot they have to learn about each other, both are carrying baggage from their past and need to find their way forward together. It won't be that easy as it was in the initial days of their first marriage to just dive right in.