Something I feel about this track - Page 4

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

Haan, I see your point, but to me, this isn't karma. Yes, karma is torturous but it's also about getting the result of your own actions. In this situation, karma would be if Bani fell in love with Veer and he decided (in his own mind) that nah, I've had enough and I'm moving on. If he had the intention of giving up on her, giving her a taste of that same medicine, to my mind, that would be karma. This is basically like some imposter wearing Veer's face punishing her for a crime against the guy he's posing as. Makes no sense. That's what gets me.

Yes, I get your point that perhaps Bani needed to feel the pain that Veer felt at her actions towards him, and that the irony is it happens now when she's fully in love with him. But we've already had that before with the Chandni track, and moreover, here Veer's treatment of Bani comes because some random dude waved a magic wand and made him forget everything that defined his character (i.e. his love for and obsession with Bani/Naageshwari). So it doesn't feel like karma so much as emotional manipulation. Yeah, totally calling out the shitty writing here with you.

I also understand that having seen both sides, you feel more for Veer because of how she treated him. But that's the point - we saw both sides. In their early interactions Veer took pains to keep referring to himself as the villain - no wonder she took him at face value. It took Bani a long time to see what we saw, call it due to her own blind hatred, or the manipulations of everyone around her, or a lack of support from anyone who could actually give her answers. Whatever the reasons.

And I guess for me, what I saw was that during all this, Veer gave Bani the understanding that a lot of people in the audience didn't. He gave her his patience, his love, his time. Not for one second did he express a desire to get back at her for what she said or did. So the writers doing this now feels (to me) cruel, rather than poetic justice. Esp. because we've already seen this play out once already.

I do get that from your POV, you see this as something that was due to Bani as a result of her actions. And perhaps that's why you can't relate to her misery now. I'm not disagreeing with that opinion necessarily, it's yours to have and I'm sure others share it also. Personally I think this is the wrong time, wrong situation and wrong way for the writers to throw karmic retribution at Bani. Veer kare toh thik bhi hai, par Veer ko puppet bana kar koi aur uss se karwai...yeh galat lagta hai mujhko 😒

100% agreeing with the point that it is the wrong timing.

I don't know, yaar, my idea of karma is that in someway or it other it hits you back.

But agreeing with your point that now the timing is wrong.

And plus they aren't exactly portraying the Bani that Veer fell in love with. That muh-phat, ziddi and completely firecracker Bani. When she decided, she's decided. She's going to do it with a steel backbone. She used to have the backbone of a steel. Agar if it was the Bani that Veer was madly out for. I just don't relate to her crying misery. I'm like. Okay dude, blah blah blah..... Just end this already. I want my Cheelu baby back

Originally posted by: Humes22

It's like there was a buy one get one free track on misery tracks and they scooped them right up 🤔 the potential this track would have had adds to my misery.

Oh my god I agree until and unless the FL doesn't cry and breakdown and be helpless then its not a punishment. How about we have a FL that is like yeah I messed up bad- yeah I get it but I am going to fight fire with fire and not sit and mope about it for days. To be fair one of the things that I liked about Bani was she was on the surface ice and she show only showed her emotions when things were really bad. This track is really bad so I get the emotions- but coming on the back of moon-gate where we saw said emotions- is this necessary again? That monologue she had with Veer she cried buckets. I would rather not have anymore- at this rate the ocean she drank is going to come back out 😆

But the worst is that she's crying at what Veer is saying (or at what's happening to him that's causing him to say this) but she knows this is all because of some spell. She knows it's not her Veer saying these things. They don't need to make Bani cry in every interaction with Veer; like you say, she could fight fire with fire and be her moo-phat self. It's like, yeah, we get that hearing those words from Veer's mouth feels horrible and hurts you and breaks your heart. But you know why it's happening, so just ignore that instant reaction and fight for your guy. It's why one of the few things I liked in the ep was when she asserted her haq on Veer in the club, telling him that she was going to make him remember her. Be that Bani more, and the one who can't say a sentence without tearing up less.

Originally posted by: AliChase

1. He was not involved in trafficking business. Nope. His family was involved. You can see it in the episode where Veer goes to Jay's restaurant. His family tries to hide it from him.

Yeah, he's quite stupid if he isn't being able find out about this

2. I don't know when he killed someone innocent.

He wasn't the nicest person. Yes. He's Badtameez and completely out if line in the beginning with how he behaved with Noor but that's setting tha stage that he's a grey character.

The typicality of grey characters are that they're simply out for themselves. No shits given for anyone else.

I didn't see him as a villain but rather an anti hero.

No, I know all of this. I was making a hypothetical point in a discussion upthread. Imagine if he was the villain Bani thought him to be. His genuine love for Bani wouldn't have been enough to justify those things in that case. Bani believed he was genuinely involved in those things, so at that point, it wouldn't have mattered to her how much he loved her. And nor should it have IMO.

Baaki I don't see him as a villain either, never have.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

But the worst is that she's crying at what Veer is saying (or at what's happening to him that's causing him to say this) but she knows this is all because of some spell. She knows it's not her Veer saying these things. They don't need to make Bani cry in every interaction with Veer; like you say, she could fight fire with fire and be her moo-phat self. It's like, yeah, we get that hearing those words from Veer's mouth feels horrible and hurts you and breaks your heart. But you know why it's happening, so just ignore that instant reaction and fight for your guy. It's why one of the few things I liked in the ep was when she asserted her haq on Veer in the club, telling him that she was going to make him remember her. Be that Bani more, and the one who can't say a sentence without tearing up less.

That was the best scene- when she was like do you want a slap. I was like yes woman stand for your husband do something about it and she did You are right every frame today had her crying- poor SC and the glycerine overload she had go through. Which was so unnecessary- honestly. I think what annoyed was me her at the start when she was like nothing can be done and being despondent. I was like you went to the moon for him- found a way. How are the writers making you all despondent and hopeless now. And you saw him marrying that woman- here he is dancing with others and here like you said she knows why. Hope tomorrow is better honestly.

Originally posted by: AliChase

100% agreeing with the point that it is the wrong timing.

I don't know, yaar, my idea of karma is that in someway or it other it hits you back.

But agreeing with your point that now the timing is wrong.

And plus they aren't exactly portraying the Bani that Veer fell in love with. That muh-phat, ziddi and completely firecracker Bani. When she decided, she's decided. She's going to do it with a steel backbone. She used to have the backbone of a steel. Agar if it was the Bani that Veer was madly out for. I just don't relate to her crying misery. I'm like. Okay dude, blah blah blah..... Just end this already. I want my Cheelu baby back

I agree that they've diluted Bani's character as well. As I mentioned in another post just now, it's like if the FL doesn't show the requisite amount of tears, people can't relate (in your case you can't relate with the tears 😆).

I miss that firebrand Bani so much. She was wrong in her perceptions of Veer, but boy she knew how to stand up for herself.

Originally posted by: Humes22

That was the best scene- when she was like do you want a slap. I was like yes woman stand for your husband do something about it and she did You are right every frame today had her crying- poor SC and the glycerine overload she had go through. Which was so unnecessary- honestly. I think what annoyed was me her at the start when she was like nothing can be done and being despondent. I was like you went to the moon for him- found a way. How are the writers making you all despondent and hopeless now. And you saw him marrying that woman- here he is dancing with others and here like you said she knows why. Hope tomorrow is better honestly.

Same, honestly. With so few eps left I just want to enjoy my babies in peace 😭

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

Exactly, and this is always the case. The audience sees all perspectives, so when we feel someone is being unjust or unfair, we react accordingly. But if I were only seeing what Bani saw, then I too may have reacted in the same ways as she did. Plus, just because a person loves you doesn't mean they're overall a good person or even the right person for you. Let's imagine for a second that Veer was in fact a Grade A villain - he was involved in the trafficking business, he did kill innocent people, he was as bad as they come - but his love for Bani was genuine...in that situation, anyone would still advise a girl not to be with that guy. If he's only nice to you, that's not really a strength of his character. Obviously we know that Veer was never involved in any of that but Bani believed he was for the longest time, so even if he shouts his love for her a thousand times, to her it's still the equivalent of "cool motive, still murder". A man's love for a woman wouldn't (or shouldn't) trump the hundreds of crimes he has committed.

It doesn't trump crime and it wouldn't triumph crimes ever.

Let me explain what I meant.

A villain, the typical A Grade villain, does the most unforgivable stuff, he cannot be forgiven for those deeds at all. It will never change. Let's consider he keeps commiting crimes even after being given a chance of redemption. You can't give them an edge of being nice at all. Even if he madly loves a woman to the point of being the A level Romeo to her. No, you can't excuse his action towards others.

But the point remains that no one has the right to insult one spot on his character that he has truly loved someone. Just that one side of him that he has truly loved someone cannot be forgiven.

A classic example would be Harley Quinn. She's done several things wrong but you've got to accept that her love for Joker was true and that everyone would've respected. The Harley Quinn who is a villain and aided Joker in his plans. I am not speaking of the times she was the anti-villain.

I can't say that the Harley Quinn who aided in Joker's plans can be forgiven (if she hadn't had a spin off where she tries to become better) but still remains that her love for Joker was something I respect.

It is exactly what I see here. From Human point, yaar, Matlab. Tum kisi se pyaar karte hi aur uss insaan ko tum mein sirf burai burai dikhti hai, dard hoga.

Once again, timing is terribly wrong, the writing is terribly wrong.

Your side is also correct. From you view, it does seem that at this point it isn't needful.

Just hoping that this stupud track will come to an end.

The whole problem is that they don't know how to put tracks together properly. Kahin bhi kabhi bhi kou bhi track ghusa denge.

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

I agree that they've diluted Bani's character as well. As I mentioned in another post just now, it's like if the FL doesn't show the requisite amount of tears, people can't relate (in your case you can't relate with the tears 😆).

I miss that firebrand Bani so much. She was wrong in her perceptions of Veer, but boy she knew how to stand up for herself.

Exactly. If she did that, I'd be a little more impressed. Par kya kare ITV writes love to change characters crazily in a 360 degree turn. Pehle toh madam ko thode se emotions dikhane mein maut aati thi. Abhi toh balti bhar bhar ke ro rahi hai..... 😆

Same, honestly. With so few eps left I just want to enjoy my babies in peace 😭 Main koi hopes nahi rakhne wali. It will be the same as decorating my own coffin

Originally posted by: AliChase

It is exactly what I see here. From Human point, yaar, Matlab. Tum kisi se pyaar karte hi aur uss insaan ko tum mein sirf burai burai dikhti hai, dard hoga.

Once again, timing is terribly wrong, the writing is terribly wrong.

Your side is also correct. From you view, it does seem that at this point it isn't needful.

Just hoping that this stupud track will come to an end.

The whole problem is that they don't know how to put tracks together properly. Kahin bhi kabhi bhi kou bhi track ghusa denge.

I get your point in theory. But if you or I were approached by a man, a criminal with the worst history, the worst crimes you could imagine, and he said to you/me: my love for you is genuine and I want you to be with me -- can you honestly say that you would thank him for his love, or even respect it, and not laugh in his face? I don't know if I could. I don't know if I'd even believe it could be true love. Harley Quinn and Joker toh are two peas in a pod, they deserve each other 😆 (leaving aside the question of whether he manipulated and used a woman with an already fragile state of mind to his own purposes).

IDK - I see your point, but I don't know if I could personally put it into practice.

@bold - agree vehemently with this!

Originally posted by: RaniZelda

But love isn't about point-scoring, right? Tit for tat, she hurt me so me hurting her is justified?

Veer would never do this to Bani in his right mind, and that is what rankles most about this situation. If, in his right mind, Veer turned around and said to Bani "I'm hurt at the way you treated me, so I am done with you" - then perhaps that would be justified (in a situation where Bani wants his love and he is no longer willing to give it).

This isn't about Bani getting her "just desserts" for how she mistreated Veer, because Veer. Would. Never. Do. This. This is the writers using the stick of magic/memory loss to punish Bani for something Veer would never, ever punish her for. Bani doesn't deserve to be punished now for something her husband has already forgiven her for, long ago, and that too only because of some external manipulation. That isn't justice, it's torture.

But looking it from another perspective, its indeed karma! I believe bani always knew veer was innocent! He almost risked his life, fighting shakura and the same day, how does bani repay him of that? By saying something like, 'Its better to die than being touched by you!'

She has been an ass to him in so many situations! N my problem always was! WHY! Give me one valid reason for her being this much of a bitch to him? She killed teer without an ounce of regret! Had been plotting against him for god knows how long, till she found that he had SAVED HER LIFE!

So what? Before that she never saw anything good in him? Or her ego never let her see any?

Veer loved her from the first sight hopelessly with LITERALLY NO HOPES! THAT'S WHAT I CALL, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! He never waited for a reason to be in love with her! For bani, when it came to SAVING HER LIFE, that's the reason she found really reasonable to see good in him.

Am not saying, Veer was all sweet with her. But, the unnecessary hatred she inflicted upon someone who loved her crazily is just disrespectful!

Coming to Veer's perspective, he never FORGIVED her, coz, HE NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS BANI'S FAULT. He took all of it like a part of struggle in winning his wife's heart! Actually, he never even thought she hated him fully! Right from start, it was his utter confidence that she's falling for him and he use to view her like a stubborn child who isn't ready to accept her feelings. For veer, bani was always in love with him😂

So although, Veer would never be this rude to her, whatever is happening with her is her fruit! Its said, we cannot escape our doings. So bani should get punishment of hurting an genuine and crazily in love heart! Everyone does! Its not like we don't get punished for something we have done unknowingly, right? We do! I believe we do! That's what KARMA is! Its not always the repurcations of something we have done knowingly, its something we do unknowingly!

Bani has unknowingly hurt veer, not knowingly the intensity of his love, veer's heart has been unknowingly hurt so many times, which he himself never acknowledged maybe, due to his immense love for bani!

So, the same is happening to her now! He is unknowingly hurting her and she is somewhere at the recieving end now!

Lastly, from an audience POV, we have been endured to 3 months of this non sense, hatred! So being a huge veer lover, I don't really find this unjust!

My whole point is the puppet which veer has become! Anyone can just manipulate him and he's foolish enough to not understand anything🥱

Any random girl is making him drink any drink and he's having it without a thought? Really? Who's this Veer? I don't even recognise him now? The unpredictable, unprecedented, crazy, astute and intelligent Veer is long dead🥱

I wish Veer was the VILLIAN this reason! Some badass Vibes I would have enjoyed so much💔

Originally posted by: J2lover

But looking it from another perspective, its indeed karma! I believe bani always knew veer was innocent! He almost risked his life, fighting shakura and the same day, how does bani repay him of that? By saying something like, 'Its better to die than being touched by you!'

She has been an ass to him in so many situations! N my problem always was! WHY! Give me one valid reason for her being this much of a bitch to him? She killed teer without an ounce of regret! Had been plotting against him for god knows how long, till she found that he had SAVED HER LIFE!

So what? Before that she never saw anything good in him? Or her ego never let her see any?

Veer loved her from the first sight hopelessly with LITERALLY NO HOPES! THAT'S WHAT I CALL, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! He never waited for a reason to be in love with her! For bani, when it came to SAVING HER LIFE, that's the reason she found really reasonable to see good in him.

Am not saying, Veer was all sweet with her. But, the unnecessary hatred she inflicted upon someone who loved her crazily is just disrespectful!

Coming to Veer's perspective, he never FORGIVED her, coz, HE NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS BANI'S FAULT. He took all of it like a part of struggle in winning his wife's heart! Actually, he never even thought she hated him fully! Right from start, it was his utter confidence that she's falling for him and he use to view her like a stubborn child who isn't ready to accept her feelings. For veer, bani was always in love with him😂

So although, Veer would never be this rude to her, whatever is happening with her is her fruit! Its said, we cannot escape our doings. So bani should get punishment of hurting an genuine and crazily in love heart! Everyone does! Its not like we don't get punished for something we have done unknowingly, right? We do! I believe we do! That's what KARMA is! Its not always the repurcations of something we have done knowingly, its something we do unknowingly!

Bani has unknowingly hurt veer, not knowingly the intensity of his love, veer's heart has been unknowingly hurt so many times, which he himself never acknowledged maybe, due to his immense love for bani!

So, the same is happening to her now! He is unknowingly hurting her and she is somewhere at the recieving end now!

Lastly, from an audience POV, we have been endured to 3 months of this non sense, hatred! So being a huge veer lover, I don't really find this unjust!

My whole point is the puppet which veer has become! Anyone can just manipulate him and he's foolish enough to not understand anything🥱

Any random girl is making him drink any drink and he's having it without a thought? Really? Who's this Veer? I don't even recognise him now? The unpredictable, unprecedented, crazy, astute and intelligent Veer is long dead🥱

I wish Veer was the VILLIAN this reason! Some badass Vibes I would have enjoyed so much💔

100% agreeing on this word to word❤️