A furious Raj, a guilt ridden Kranti

morningdew

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Finally a face off, and one which is worth the watch.. have never seen Raj so furious, and man, I loved it. For one who always keeps his emotions in check, the way he exploded yday was marvellous. 😳

Kranti also giving him tit for tat..but he was not in mood to listen to any of her standard gyaan.. " Kranti, dont force me to do something I dont want to do". That was simply WOW !! Coming from him. 😳😊

Finally his patience is wearing thin, and he is telling the same thing to her. Etiquette, manners and grooming can go only till a distance, and the way Kranti has been rubbing him off, this was inevitable. And it wud get more, with time, I m sure..Raj wont like getting physical with Kranti, but since she is so fond of this game, poor thing has to oblige. 😆

And am glad that Kranti finally realised that her means to her end were causing a lot of pain to his parents. She should keep her war personal from now on, the parents and the rest of the family shudnt suffer. No fight or war is worth hurting your parents.

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Taiyo

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Posted: 16 years ago

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The difference, in spite of all the grooming and upbringing--yesterday he was ready to turn her into a dead body and win medals. He has still not realized the wrongs he has done or is showing an iota of guilt. On the other hand, Kranti ... who was at the receiving end all the time... she is guilt conscious and never ever--if my memory serves me right--talked about killing him though she is a krantikari, and she has enough right reasons to do so.

Dew, if she hurts R, his parents will be hurt. If she spoils the upcoming case of R, his father's Raibahadurship goes... what is she supposed to do.

And, his father, less said the better... 😡

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Dawn

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Posted: 16 years ago

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An ...........Kranti very much tried to kill Raj once ...........

And has threatened to do him physical harm a couple of times ......

And she's the one who get physical all the time ........ 😆

Goes for his collar straightaway ....... 😆

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morningdew

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: an12345678
The difference, in spite of all the grooming and upbringing--yesterday he was ready to turn her into a dead body and win medals. He has still not realized the wrongs he has done or is showing an iota of guilt. On the other hand, Kranti ... who was at the receiving end all the time... she is guilt conscious and never ever--if my memory serves me right--talked about killing him though she is a krantikari, and she has enough right reasons to do so.

Dew, if she hurts R, his parents will be hurt. If she spoils the upcoming case of R, his father's Raibahadurship goes... what is she supposed to do.

And, his father, less said the better... 😡

Dawn is right An.. Kranti has definitely tried to kill Raj in the past.. she has also said stuff like, 'Main tumhe maar doongi', or 'main tumhe nahi chodoongi'.. but Raj has covered for her.. he never used that info for his gain, or for K's loss...

Whatever damage has been done by him, to her, has been an indirect result of his loyalties to the British Govt..its simply a matter of perspective. He loathes KKs..and he is loyal to the British Govt..simple. He sticks to this perspective very loyally.

He has been unscruplous once, placing the gun in mamaji's room, I defi agree, but what Kranti is doing now, is definitely not fair game either. Not for me, surely. 😕 And good that she is realising it.

Raj wud realise that his whole perspective is wrong.. but such a paradigm shift definitely needs more time, and a major occurence to shake your foundation.

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Taiyo

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Posted: 16 years ago

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My mistake Dawn and Dew, seems my memory is not serving me right 😆 how could I have forgotten... that is why the name Churi-Kumari...

Dew, other than getting married to him by blackmailing... till now, even K has not done anything to hit the family. She went to the morcha because she is also loyal to her cause...

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skeptical

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: morningdew

Dawn is right An.. Kranti has definitely tried to kill Raj in the past.. she has also said stuff like, 'Main tumhe maar doongi', or 'main tumhe nahi chodoongi'.. but Raj has covered for her.. he never used that info for his gain, or for K's loss...

Whatever damage has been done by him, to her, has been an indirect result of his loyalties to the British Govt..its simply a matter of perspective. He loathes KKs..and he is loyal to the British Govt..simple. He sticks to this perspective very loyally.

He has been unscruplous once, placing the gun in mamaji's room, I defi agree, but what Kranti is doing now, is definitely not fair game either. Not for me, surely. 😕 And good that she is realising it.

Raj wud realise that his whole perspective is wrong.. but such a paradigm shift definitely needs more time, and a major occurence to shake your foundation.

My stray thoughts on the above observations:

Kranti has definitely tried to kill Raj in the past.. she has also said stuff like, 'Main tumhe maar doongi', or 'main tumhe nahi chodoongi'.. but Raj has covered for her.. he never used that info for his gain, or for K's loss...

Why did my kudi want to kill him? It was because he deliberately hoodwinked that man who was running the newspaper/press (Jassi's father) which was incidentally on the land that belonged to K's father. She lost that. Didn't he usurp the papers and them over to Taklu? Was that not cheating her? An orphaned girl at that. He had lived (under guise) long enough in mamaji's house to know how well K was being treated by mami ji. Staying there and then using the knowledge of the family imbroglios to his advantage was diabolic. No wonder she is furious enough to want to murder him. 😡

Whatever damage has been done by him, to her, has been an indirect result of his loyalties to the British Govt..its simply a matter of perspective. He loathes KKs..and he is loyal to the British Govt..simple. He sticks to this perspective very loyally.

Sentencing someone to death by falsely implicating him because the rat believes in a different ideology and that of non violence?(puke puke) Is that trivial or simple? If he talks about Non violence then why cant he believe in Let and Let live?

He has been unscruplous once, placing the gun in mamaji's room, I defi agree, but what Kranti is doing now, is definitely not fair game either. Not for me, surely. 😕 And good that she is realising it.

He is unscrupulous. Kranti has realised that this devil can only understand the wrong he has done by doing wrong to him. However she has realised that the two elderly women in the family are not to be a part of the collateral and so does not want to harm them. She has scruples and a conscience. She can be benign to the family of the enemy but he couldn't. He hanged one uncle and besmirched the reputation of the other. Yet, she does not want to do the same mistake he did. Her pleas to Wahe Guru were an embodiment of her turmoil. And there was turmoil within her because she has a heart. He actually doesn't deserve her.

Raj wud realise that his whole perspective is wrong.. but such a paradigm shift definitely needs more time, and a major occurence to shake your foundation.

Couldn't agree more.

Pals, this is only my POV.

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Gagori Chatterjee

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Wowwww One Diwali dhamaka episode and we all r back with our even more Masaaledaar POVs😉😆..

First of all Ena,Dawn,Skepti and Anshu....Superb Discussion by you all👏...Everyone has put up some really valid points in the post👏😳

Now my 2 cents😉😆

Raj mayb wrong with his so called ideologies but tomorrow it was not Barrister Rajveer speaking to Kranti but a devastated son Rajveer speaking to his wife after his father had that chest pain;His father might b doing Nautanki to get his son into confidence but it was quite natural for any son to hv an outburst that way after seeing his father in such an emotional state...

Yesterday if Rajveer would not hv reacted in that manner,then I would hv stopped showing my loyalty towards him😆 because then the battle would hv been only one-sided..that is from Kranti's POV😉😃..I m sure even the Anti-Raj camp agrees with me on this point that we want to see equal fight from both sides😉😛

So I m happy that even Raj is not giving up so easily and is ready for Kranti's challenge😃..

Now Skepti Raj can't let Kranti live her own life because Marriage means living together and sharing each other's lives and problems together😳...Thats the reason why Raj makes that important statement.."Kranti u might b a KK once,but now u r the Bahu of this house"😉..this clearly indicates that deep inside his heart Raj has already accepted her as his wife😳...

One more important point..u all hv noticed that Raj was continuously giving her those Dhamkis of killing her ..but just watch the episode again and see what Raj says in the very end of their fight😉...When Raj twists her hand and tells her that don't force me to do something I hv never done before..that time Raj also tells one very important sentence right after that..he says "Like other Krantikaris..please don't give your own life also"😳😳..I m sure that statement came straight out of Rajveer's heart only and it clearly indicated that Raj was only scaring her with those death threats just because somewhere in his heart he did hv concerns for his Wife and wants to protect her from the Britishers😉😳...When a person is really furious,that time only a person blurts out few hidden truths..and yesterday Raj did exactly that😉😳..

Even when he was discussing Satnaam Singh's case with his Lover Takla😆,that time too in the end when the Takla said that if he fails to win the case then it will b proved that Kranti is a KK,made Raj all nervous because I don't think he wants to loose Kranti now😳...I know Raj is worried about his father's RB-Ship too but if he wanted he could hv told Takla the entire truth of how Kranti blackmailed him to marry her...I m sure Takla would hv helped him in getting rid of Kranti too😉...but Raj himself admitted that he is not interested in winning medals at the cost of losing her😳...Ok he told the statement in a rude manner to Kranti but indirectly the meaning is the same na..that he wants to protect Kranti from the britishers😳...

The only problem which is still there with Raj is his loyalty towards the Britishersand he wants Kranti too to follow his path ...the day this difference of opinion between them gets resolved..I m sure both will fall in love😳...

Oh and regarding Raj's controlled performance yesterday..well it was just top class👍🏼..he is suppose to b a Meano in the scene and he portrayed it perfectly👏👏😳

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skeptical

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Joey ---- I will see the rerun shortly and only then comment. I only caught the prayer my kudi makes to God and then onwards. I haven't still seen the duel between R and K. I shall get back to you.

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Gagori Chatterjee

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: skeptical
Joey ---- I will see the rerun shortly and only then comment. I only caught the prayer my kudi makes to God and then onwards. I haven't still seen the duel between R and K. I shall get back to you.

😆Okies..run..run..I think the repeat will come now in few minutes at 6pm😳

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morningdew

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Posted: 16 years ago

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My stray thoughts on the above observations:

Why did my kudi want to kill him? It was because he deliberately hoodwinked that man who was running the newspaper/press (Jassi's father) which was incidentally on the land that belonged to K's father. She lost that. Didn't he usurp the papers and them over to Taklu? Was that not cheating her? An orphaned girl at that. He had lived (under guise) long enough in mamaji's house to know how well K was being treated by mami ji. Staying there and then using the knowledge of the family imbroglios to his advantage was diabolic. No wonder she is furious enough to want to murder him. 😡

Hmmmm.. so Kranti's reason to want to murder Raj, and going as far as the actual act is justifiable, but Raj's mere warning is not? 😊 When he saw his father almost have a cardiac arrest because of her deeds.. Dont think so Skep.. the balance shud weigh equally, both sides..

Sentencing someone to death by falsely implicating him because the rat believes in a different ideology and that of non violence?(puke puke) Is that trivial or simple? If he talks about Non violence then why cant he believe in Let and Let live?

For him, all those cases were just that.. CASES.. he did not have any emotional attachment with the ppl involved.. his loyalty was with the British Raj then too.. and Kranti was just a mere thorn in his way.. he never interfered per se in her life then.. in fact he totally practised live and let live..the only time he did interfere in her life was to rescue her from the crossfire at the Lahore Gate.

He is unscrupulous. Kranti has realised that this devil can only understand the wrong he has done by doing wrong to him. However she has realised that the two elderly women in the family are not to be a part of the collateral and so does not want to harm them. She has scruples and a conscience. She can be benign to the family of the enemy but he couldn't. He hanged one uncle and besmirched the reputation of the other. Yet, she does not want to do the same mistake he did. Her pleas to Wahe Guru were an embodiment of her turmoil. And there was turmoil within her because she has a heart. He actually doesn't deserve her.

I agree to a certain extent here Skep.. K has more of a conscience than Raj there.. but thats bcoz she is a woman, and women are more receptive to others' feelings.. had she been a man, we dont know if she wud have melted seeing the family's plight.. but thats besides the point.

Coming to the point as to whether he deserves her or not, the equation is yet again, both ways.. Kranti doesnt deserve him too..not in her current avtaar.. both of them havent been saints, so to speak..

Pals, this is only my POV.

Of course sweets, we know.. and this was mine..hope I dint come off rude anywhere.. 😳

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