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Gagori Chatterjee

@jyoti06

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+ 8

Posted: 17 years ago

#21

@Purvi:Well Ekta Heroes r all ruthless people😆...Multiple Affairs ...Multiple marriages and then talking about timeless love and Sanskaar😆😕...I feel compared to that Raj is a very believable human being..I mean at least he doesn't try to pretend like a saint in front of anyone😳...He doesn't feel any shame in admitting that he is loyal to the British government and doesn't care what the KKs think of him👏..thats how a Man should b confident enough to stick to his own set of principles in which he believes in ..and so I don't want Raj to go through a transformation phase after getting influenced by Kranti's words;Raj can change his Ideologies only when his inner soul asks him to do so😊...

@Ena:I agree with you...Kranti wanted to humiliate Raj's family by secretly going out of the house without telling anyone.....This was the only reason why later she talks to herself and confesses her guilt to God😳..So well that was the only time When Kranti looked a bit mean..otherwise throughtout she was very innocent and suffered a lot😭...mayb thats why she is trying to b very mean and strong now but because of her initial nature,she is not able to become so mean like Raj😆

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Taiyo

@Taiyo

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 17 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Anshu and Purvi if Kranti's intention was not to hurt Raj's family then like Raj said why din't she tell the family and then go😉..what was the need to run out of the house secretly and join the morcha ??😕

Jyoti, I do not think ... it's her habit to inform and go to the morchas... She never told anyone at Mami jaan's house also that she is going to morchas and to meet her krantikari friends. And do you think, mata shri and pita shri would have given their blessing if she had asked.

n fact Kranti herself admitted this na😕...thats the reason why afterwards Kranti feels bad or guilty about Chaijee's condition and tells to herself that why is she taking revenge from the ladies of this house who hv nothing to do with her pain and agony😳..

She said that because it resulted in R fuming ... and she saw Mata jee listening and all teary-eyed after seeing their confrontation and felt guilt conscious ... it was no way linked to the morcha.

I know Kranti suffered a lot due to Rajveer and even Raj-Camp wants Rajveer to suffer only at the hands of Kranti only😉..but at the same time we do not support Kranti's act of taking revenge from Raj's family who r not at all responsible for the mess in Kranti's life;

She is not using his family... just that family's reputation is at stake because she is a krantikari, as I said before also, if she wanted to break the family, she could have joined Bibi-rani... And, Jyoti... R's father is all about his Rai-bahadurship... and what is she supposed to do, sit at home and not be part of krantikari activities. The family is getting involved in all this brickerings because they see themselvels as loyal servants of Britishers.

She is not going out of her way to frame them...

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morningdew

@morningdew

Dazzler

Posted: 17 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: an12345678

An, abt not informing, it wasnt the same thing as mami's place.. here she had a motive, which she clearly told R abt.. but its ok, lets not split this issue so much.. both the factions have amply stated their views on this issue, and none seems to be budging.. wow.. 😆

For the family issue also, lets rest it at that.. Kranti doesnt want to cause hurt NOW...bottomline, she repents whatever hurt she has caused them..intentional or otherwise.. topic for debate.. 😊 But she is ready to drop her vendetta, against them atleast.

Good too.. the family wont get hurt, and secondly, Kranti can focus all her energy totally on Raj now.. unidimensional revenge.. wow again.. 😆

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Gagori Chatterjee

@jyoti06

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Posted: 17 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: morningdew

An, abt not informing, it wasnt the same thing as mami's place.. here she had a motive, which she clearly told R abt.. but its ok, lets not split this issue so much.. both the factions have amply stated their views on this issue, and none seems to be budging.. wow.. 😆

For the family issue also, lets rest it at that.. Kranti doesnt want to cause hurt NOW...bottomline, she repents whatever hurt she has caused them..intentional or otherwise.. topic for debate.. 😊 But she is ready to drop her vendetta, against them atleast.

Good too.. the family wont get hurt, and secondly, Kranti can focus all her energy totally on Raj now.. unidimensional revenge.. wow again.. 😆

Achha so Ena has decided to become the peacemaker now😉😆...But u know this is what makes me come to this forum again and again😳..we all discuss various issues,debate over various topics with lots of maturity instead of fighting like kids😆😳..

Achha now the mudda😆...I m not giving up so soon😉😆...

Anshu...like Ena said when Kranti was secretly meeting the KKs while staying at her Mamaji's residence,that time she din't wanted to hurt Mamiji and so she used to go out of the house without telling anyone..

But in Raj's house,the question of not hurting someone doesn't arise at all because her motives r completely different this time..she in fact wants to humiliate Raj's family at any cost..in fact thats the main motive of her marriage na😉..remember what she said on the first night to Raj..that she wants to see humiliation of his family in front of the scoiety...

I know her main intention was to participate in KK Activities only but I would hv personally preferred if she also had the guts to actually tell Raj's family that she is going out to participate in Satnaam's Singh's morcha😃...In fact that same morning Kranti was giving prasad to Raj's family na...that time only she could hv told them😉😛...

But alls well that ends well😃...now Kranti can once again put all her focus only on Raj😉😛 Now I m sure both Pro-Raj and Anti-Raj parties wants to see the same thing only...more RK-Confrontations😉😳

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purvi

@coolpurvi

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Posted: 17 years ago

#25

I agree with An. Even when she was in her mamaji's house she didnt use to tell anyone abt her KK activities. Idea of insulting Raj'sfamily was not there in her mind. pls again watch that scene where she overhears Raj n his father n that puja scene she performed before going to that morcha. Kranti is not that mean

Idea to humiliate came in her mind after she got arrested n asked abt her family

sometimes in anger we say those things for argument sake which we dont want to say or dont mean at all . had kranti intentionally wanted to hurt Raj's family she wud have have cheered when she saw Raj's mother

My view is that Kranti is a better human being. she immediately felt guilty for her deeds. But Raj has not yet felt guily for any wrong he did towards her. Raj is a bit materialist that's why he didn't feel guilty for anythng so easily n for him sacrificing life for freedom is useless n a act of foolishness

Lets see what will be kranti's next step. she wont want to do anything which may hurt Raj's family. Will she give up her KK activities????????

Edited by coolpurvi - 17 years ago

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morningdew

@morningdew

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Posted: 17 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: coolpurvi
I agree with An. Even when she was in her mamaji's house she didnt use to tell anyone abt her KK activities. Idea of insulting Raj'sfamily was not there in her mind. pls again watch that scene where she overhears Raj n his father n that puja scene she performed before going to that morcha. Kranti is not that mean

Idea to humiliate came in her mind after she got arrested n asked abt her family

sometimes in anger we say those things for argument sake which we dont want to say or dont mean at all . had kranti intentionally wanted to hurt Raj's family she wud have have cheered when she saw Raj's mother

My view is that Kranti is a better human being. she immediately felt guilty for her deeds. But Raj has not yet felt guily for any wrong he did towards her. Raj is a bit materialist that's why he didn't feel guilty for anythng so easily n for him sacrificing life for freedom is useless n a act of foolishness

Lets see what will be kranti's next step. she wont want to do anything which may hurt Raj's family. Will she give up her KK activities????????

Oops Purvi.. this is stirring a hornet's nest.. this argument definitely doesnt sit well with the Raj camp.. and the anti Raj camp wud love it..

My POV.. both are flawed human beings, yet they compliment each other beautifully.. thats the beauty of the show.. however flawed Raj is, I dont dislike him.. and even though Kranti has been shown as idealistic, she has irritated me many a times.. Both are human beings, prone to err.. and then atone..

But the character sketches are perfect.. I dont think any other show cud have done justice to a character like Raj's.. he is a very complex guy.

Another thing, Kranti's character is not very difficult to portray.. Prableen is doing a great job at it, no doubts abt it.. but Raj's character is a very tricky one.. he is constantly on the line.. but Gavie is doing a wonderful job.. he has made the character likeable, despite all odds..

Edited by morningdew - 17 years ago

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Gagori Chatterjee

@jyoti06

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Posted: 17 years ago

#27

I guess this debate is not going to end for another one year😆...but well I m enjoying it😳...

Purvi agreed that Kranti has more feelings than Raj but does that make her perfect always ??😉..

Like Ena said ..both Raj and Kranti's characters hv flaws...they both r not picture perfect like those cleeshade characters we see in other hindi serials where the main leads can never go wrong😆..

The flaws which I found in Kranti r..

1)Marrying your biggest Enemy for Revenge was not expected from a Krantikari...I asked this question in another post also..that would Kranti marry Raj if he was some 60 yr old Buddha like her first husband just for revenge ??😉

2)Kranti is suppose to b a very strong lady...then why she had to quietly go through all the tortures of the buddha party just to ignite the fire of revenge in her😕..Was that the only option left for a Krantikari..to quietly suffer at the hands of her Sasural people and when time comes even defend them telling that they r actually innocent ??😲,..She actually defended the buddha party in front of Nirmal-Sanjay na when she ran away because buddha's younger son tried to rape her😕..

3)Participating in KK activities is not a Sin but a grt pride..then why she likes to hide it from everyone..b it her Maayka or Sasural people😕...If she can even go to the extent of stabbing Raj once😉,then I don't think its a big deal for her to tell everyone that she is going out to participate in the morcha😃

Now the qualities which Kranti possess r..

1)Kranti is always a very loyal,loving and caring daughter/sister towards her family members...including her Mamiji and always respected the decisions of her elder ones whether they r right or wrong👏

2)She is very passionate towards the freedom of her country and can go to any extent to help out her Krantikari friends😳

3)She is a very sacrificing type of a girl and believes in giving happiness to her loved ones even if it means sacrificing her own dreams and happiness😭👏

4)She is a very practical girl but at the same time shows her full respect towards the Elderly people even if they r as cunning as the Buddha party..

Now the flaws which I foundin Rajveer😃

1)He has nothing to do with the freedom of his own country and believes that Indians r emotional fools who can never live together once the Britishers go out of this country(it was somewhat true afterall...because partition happened right after independence na😉😆..anyways thats a completely different story..will debate over it later😆😉)

2)He is shown to b a very self-obsessed character whose only priority in life is his family and his father's RB-Ship and to achieve it he can even take the wrong route in life

3)He also has a bigitude problem and doesn't believe in apologizing to people who r lower in status than him even if he has done wrong to them😡..

Now the qualities which Raj possesses r😛

1)He is a Loyal Son and his family means a lot to him..he can never see the pain of his father and can even show his violent side if he sees his father is suffering because of him👏

2)He respects Woman and also the institution of Marriage👏;He considers Marriage as a very sacred ritual even if he is tied to someone who is his biggest enemy;He considers it a lifelong commitment😳

3)He sticks to his own set of principles whether right or wrong and doesn't bother what the world thinks about him👏...If he is loyal to britishers,he is sticking to his words...And his ideoligies can only b shaken in case he gets to see the ugly side of these people😊

4)He loves winning in life and sometimes its good to hv that killing insting in your heart because in the end even when u hv a change of heart,this quality of going on winning will come very handy to him😉😳

So till now the equation is pretty equal😉😛...Both r complimenting each other when it comes to the question of who is a better human being😊

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morningdew

@morningdew

Dazzler

Posted: 17 years ago

#28

WOW Jo.. you came up with the whole Ramayan again !!! 😆

My fav para is the last one, the one highlighting Raj's pluses 😉

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skeptical

@skeptical

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Posted: 17 years ago

#29

Joey, I have to go out a bit but shall be back in 2 hours time. I am not going to let you get away with your lamba lamba bhashans. Then I shall give you my POVs. 😡

God, we never seem to stop. 😉 😆

Pluses for Raj?? OMG you guys are so good at conjuring........... SIGH !!!!!

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Taiyo

@Taiyo

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 17 years ago

#30

And the argument goes on... 😃 ... me have completely forgotten what happened this week... though remember selectively and I have only thing to say ONLY Churi-Kumari has the right to maro churi.

About she or he being a better human being... no human is better all are corrupted souls... 😆😆😆, one time or the other each has his/her own fall, but if we compare both, each one was doing his/her respective duties, but R used illegal means to achieve his goals... till now he has not won a single case based on facts and his arguments... On the other hand, Kranti did not use any unfair means.

About her going out on her krantikari mission without telling others, if she had, Mami jaan would have hit the roof, and her new in-laws, do you think that they would have let her go and join a morcha... when even she knows that both father and son duo act like loyal servants of Britishers.

Ya trapping him to get married was taking a leaf out of R's book.

And I just want to add in the end that Nawab-Saheb can now pack-up his legal books and go back to England, because by the end of Satnam case he will not only lose his lover but also his wakalat.

Thanks for reading 😆

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