Aastha ya Vigyan - tark vitark ! - Page 5

Originally posted by: Arshics

So, a my kind of episode

The timeless debate of aastha vs Vigyan

Damdaar dadi - aastha ki pratima

Viruddh

Rational Rao - Vigyan ke prateek

Dadi believes that the two are opposites, as one believes in unquestioned seva and the other leads to exploitation

For her, they are also exclusive, where aastha resides Vigyan has no place

Vigyan is a samadhan ( solution to make things as they should be ) and aastha is a vidhaan ( the natural state of things as they are )

And when we don't let nature be and alter it, we lose it.

Prof Rao, of course, believes that the two are incomplete without each other and aastha Is fortified by vigyan and Vigyan needs the foundation of Aastha

Both yog and prayog are needed in balance and are not exclusive !

So two people, who have led a full life, and have the wisdom of age see the world from two perspectives

And as always, the debate is inconclusive - and for the moment while Rao may have backed out in deference to the old lady

He will be back!

Baki - thapadiya mai can hear the sound of silence - the vibrations that are emitted by objects are 'heard' by thapadiya mai, and that shakti is called - rithambhara pragya.

Very impressive shakti ...

Also what was fascinating was the explanation of Sanskrit as the discovered language and not an invented language.

Ganga and Maya scene was also nice, finally Mayas prayashchit will be over, but at such a heavy price to pay!

Dadi rudra scene was cute - ironically while she and her grandson enjoy his joy, the stage has already been set for rudra to once again lose a loved one.

Dadi my Favourite woman of substance - her aastha was with her in her happy days

It was with her in the moments when she lost everything

And it's with her now in her struggle to rebuild her world

Once again, the gentle fragile lady strongly held her own against the vigyanik prof Rao!

100/10 to Utkarsh for this Gagar mein sagar episode

I Found it very exciting !

I of course side with prof Rao, but I know where Dadi is coming from!

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

did u mean asthaa vs vigyaan?

gyaan and vigyaan are not opposite to each other though they mean different things.

Dadi missed 24 years of changes in the outside world and interactions with people. So she is in a time bubble.

Originally posted by: happychappy

I am not sure, Santhi. Malayalam leans almost equally on both Tamil & Sanskrit, and I have my own instincts about which words have Sanskrit roots and which ones came via Tamil, but not being proficient in either of the mother languages, my guesses can only go so far!

Tanneer Tanneer - remember that famous K Balachander movie? To me, both tanneer and tanni are evocative of Tamil but linguistically if you dig deeper there are instances where the mothers have borrowed from each other - there are studies on this. I find etymology fascinating. One can go on for ever! 😛

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Arshics

Aastha vs Vigyaan is a never-ending debate. But ultimately as Prof.Rao said both need each other.

No point arguing who is great- man or woman? Shakthi or Shiv? Though the obvious answer is that both need each other for their importance and survival. Application of one ignoring the other leads only to disaster.

Aastha without vigyaan leads to superstitions, leads to stagnancy, leads to the likes of Balivesh and such false saadhus exploiting people.

Vigyaan without aastha, where vigyaan aims to earn power money and fame leads to calamity. Like the dynamite, nuclear technology, cloning, etc.

Our ancient sages had aastha and vigyaan. They were aware of nuclear technology, (brahmastra), surrogation ( birth of Balram ) television (sanjaya 'seeing' the kurukshetra 'live'), could do surgery (sushrutha) were aware of electric and magnetic fields of the earth (married women wear silver on the second toe as silver is a good conductor against gold as thereis a nerve from that toe to the womb that strengthens it.) Many of our practices have science behind it. But most of the science was forgotten and lost as there was no documentation and methodical approach as advised by vigyaan . Now isn't that a grave loss that resulted in the concept of western superiority?

Inspite of the sages vigyaan ka gyaan along with their aastha, it was lost. But daadi here is in a worse outlook. She doesn't want vigyaan to even peep in her aastha. She can shun rao and Shivanand from the kund with her stern looks and tark vitark. But if Greyson and co barge in and forcibly take over and decide to revive and make profits out of the Saraswati Kund , what will she do? If rao and Shivanand's vigyaan can help the duo to stay a step ahead, what harm?

With her aastha she should surely recognize that so much in life is a question of bhagya. One has to do his karma/dharma without looking for karma phal. Isn't it Rao and Shivanand's dharma to protect the amrit and revive the kund when they know that their gyaan and vigyaan can help them in their goal? Why not give them room for that ?

Originally posted by: jayaks02

If thaneer has its roots in sanskrit, I will be really surprised. Tamil and Sanskrit are the two classicial languages and both said to have originated from Shiva's ears. In tamil, some words or sentences that were used in literature can be easily understood by a layman who knows only Madras Tamil also - This is one of the most imp attributes of being a classical language. And Tamil is the mother of all Dravidian languages even though Kannadigas I have met refute this - They say Kannada borrows heavily from Sanskrit. I always thought Tamil did not borrow many words from other languages; It has only given.

Etymology is indeed fascinating.

Originally posted by: jayaks02

If thaneer has its roots in sanskrit, I will be really surprised. Tamil and Sanskrit are the two classicial languages and both said to have originated from Shiva's ears. In tamil, some words or sentences that were used in literature can be easily understood by a layman who knows only Madras Tamil also - This is one of the most imp attributes of being a classical language. And Tamil is the mother of all Dravidian languages even though Kannadigas I have met refute this - They say Kannada borrows heavily from Sanskrit. I always thought Tamil did not borrow many words from other languages; It has only given.

Etymology is indeed fascinating.

Originally posted by: happychappy

yeah exactly...so it's not improbable that neer is a Sanskrit word with Tamil roots! That was Santhi's original question.😊

Santhi, Jaya... see this blog post if you're interested - if you scroll down there's a section called "280 Sanskrit words for water!" http://tamilandvedas.com/tag/oldest-language/ The writer lists 70 words for water? also claims that "neer" in Sanskrit is Not from Tamil, for whatever it's worth...

Like I said this is a never-ending saga, which incidentally came to English from Old Norse! 😊