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pasumarthisa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: happychappy
yeah exactly...so it's not improbable that neer is a Sanskrit word with Tamil roots! That was Santhi's original question.😊

Santhi, Jaya... see this blog post if you're interested - if you scroll down there's a section called "280 Sanskrit words for water!" http://tamilandvedas.com/tag/oldest-language/ The writer lists 70 words for water? also claims that "neer" in Sanskrit is Not from Tamil, for whatever it's worth...

Like I said this is a never-ending saga, which incidentally came to English from Old Norse! 😊

to clear my stand.

I said neer is a sanskrit word. neerada, neeraja are famous examples.

tanneer - i think is a tamil word with sanskrit roots. Once transformed, tamil owns it. like 'neeru' is a telugu word with sanskrit roots.

And tanni is from tanneer. So tanni is tamil too. It was said as sanskrit in the show.

Again, Tamil borrows from sanskrit a lot. But makes a tadbhava. eg: tanneer, tiru(from Sri). In Telugu and Kannada its 'Sri' as it is.

Edited by pasumarthisa - 10 years ago

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Arshics

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Posted: 10 years ago

#52

Santhi,

Tamil is also an ancient language

were these two languages contemporary for some period of time?

Then Sanskrit may have borrowed from Tamil too

I dont really know much about this, so asking.

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sp108

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Posted: 10 years ago

#53

@Shanti - In Kannada too we have have a word "Siri" for "Shri". And yeah, a whole lot of words borrowed from Sanskrit and transformed into a new word in Kannada.

@Shri - I think Kannada borrows from Tamil and Sanskrit as well, but more from Sanskrit. Kannada has borrowed all the consonants from Sanskrit, and also has more vowels than in Sanskrit. But there are some words like "vaa" in Tamil is "baa" in Kannada, so in such cases the borrowing is more obvious from Tamil. Also, the numbers are clearly not from Sanskrit. Like in Tamil even in Kannada, any number is constructed from the highest power of ten to the lowest. This is how it is in English as well, unlike Sanskrit and Hindi. And Kannada script is very different from Tamil (even in complexity), at least that is what my mother says (she can read and write both these languages).

Marathi also borrows heavily from Sanskrit. In fact, I find a lot of words common between Marathi and Kannada, as both borrow heavily from Sanskrit.

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Arshics

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Posted: 10 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: sp108
@Shanti - In Kannada too we have have a word "Siri" for "Shri". And yeah, a whole lot of words borrowed from Sanskrit and transformed into a new word in Kannada.

@Shri - I think Kannada borrows from Tamil and Sanskrit as well, but more from Sanskrit. Kannada has borrowed all the consonants from Sanskrit, and also has more vowels than in Sanskrit. But there are some words like "vaa" in Tamil is "baa" in Kannada, so in such cases the borrowing is more obvious from Tamil. Also, the numbers are clearly not from Sanskrit. Like in Tamil even in Kannada, any number is constructed from the highest power of ten to the lowest. This is how it is in English as well, unlike Sanskrit and Hindi. And Kannada script is very different from Tamil (even in complexity), at least that is what my mother says (she can read and write both these languages).

Marathi also borrows heavily from Sanskrit. In fact, I find a lot of words common between Marathi and Kannada, as both borrow heavily from Sanskrit.

This is so fascinating. I have seen a lot of similarity between Kannada and Telugu, but was not aware of Kannada Tamil and Kannada Marathi commonality. I guess words borrowed from Sanskrit will have some commonality.

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pasumarthisa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: sp108
@Shanti - In Kannada too we have have a word "Siri" for "Shri". And yeah, a whole lot of words borrowed from Sanskrit and transformed into a new word in Kannada.

@Shri - I think Kannada borrows from Tamil and Sanskrit as well, but more from Sanskrit. Kannada has borrowed all the consonants from Sanskrit, and also has more vowels than in Sanskrit. But there are some words like "vaa" in Tamil is "baa" in Kannada, so in such cases the borrowing is more obvious from Tamil. Also, the numbers are clearly not from Sanskrit. Like in Tamil even in Kannada, any number is constructed from the highest power of ten to the lowest. This is how it is in English as well, unlike Sanskrit and Hindi. And Kannada script is very different from Tamil (even in complexity), at least that is what my mother says (she can read and write both these languages).

Marathi also borrows heavily from Sanskrit. In fact, I find a lot of words common between Marathi and Kannada, as both borrow heavily from Sanskrit.

Yeah, in telugu too there is 'siri' from Sri and means wealth and Lakshmi.

All dravidian languages have a lot in common. Tamil being more ancient.

Vaa-baa-raa

Pal-halu-paalu(telugu)

So telugu and kannada are in same boat. Borrow from dravidian pool(tamil) n sanskrit(hence the commonality with marathi)

Arshi,

Tamil indeed is ancient. But I don't know abt the interactions you talked about.

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sp108

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Posted: 10 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: Arshics
Santhi,

Tamil is also an ancient language

were these two languages contemporary for some period of time?

Then Sanskrit may have borrowed from Tamil too

I dont really know much about this, so asking.

Yeah, even I heard that Tamil is very ancient. In fact the oldest manuscript is in Tamil (I can't confirm but this is what I heard). But Sanskrit, with Vedas being the oldest known compilation in Sanskrit, was always passed down orally, and never written (as in no manuscript of Vedas). So you can never be sure which language precedes the other. But either way, both are very ancient languages.

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Arshics

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Posted: 10 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: sp108

Yeah, even I heard that Tamil is very ancient. In fact the oldest manuscript is in Tamil (I can't confirm but this is what I heard). But Sanskrit, with Vedas being the oldest known compilation in Sanskrit, was always passed down orally, and never written (as in no manuscript of Vedas). So you can never be sure which language precedes the other. But either way, both are very ancient languages.

And it wont be very surprising then if we find some sanskrit words which are borrowed from Tamil.