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Originally posted by: Mahakaali

Hi Lakshmi di

Di you said about gajasura so u r talking about only shiv mahapurana not the other stories but I know u don't believe other stories and I respect that so there is no reason to talk about this..

About Nalayani.. yup she got 5 husband boon and the boon will fulfill in the form of draupadi but people believed she was incarnation of mahakaali and different various goddess so how come it was only Nalayani's soul?? and draupadi got boon from rishi ved-vyaas to get kaumarya every year after marriage to fulfill wife duties and many puranas states that every year she consists different energies and soul of different devi.. like arjun's year she has part of indrarani (sachi) herself and after chirharan puranas states that she takes the form of mahakaali and maa chandi... think of these all if we believe only soul is getting a boon so how come rishi ved-vyaas boon came to effect... and we all agree that draupasi is most sacred and sati woman of her time and don't forget about uppandvas.. she gives birth a baby in year and how come she gave birth to babies of one brother if she was living with another in previous if there is only one body and soul through out... Draupadi is just most mysterious personality in our purana.. we don't get much information about her while just reading I personally believe... she was so much pious and her life story is teaching us so much things and now boon is that nalayani will have 5 husbands and draupadi have 5 but do we surely state that draupadi is a single body a single soul person whole her life time??? I don't think we can understand or conclude this

about kamdeva... I don't personally think bhandasura as incarnation of kamdeva cause he was born by his ashes.. there is no role of his soul... I was talking about pradyumna.. as we read about him.. he was not fully like kamdeva and his duties are not like kamdeva..kamdeva has boon to spread love while I don't think pradyumna had one

you said brain is part of soul but I don't think this is right personally... cause as we knew ravana is highly educated person and biggest lord shiva devotee but after his incarnation as shishupal he didn't possess the same brain or same qualities either... even there many different stories of incranation in our puranas and mostly about devas, demons and rishi and I always read different types of personality in a different birth and I agree there was similarity also but that similarity cause of purity or impurity of soul not cause of any blessings or boons... Hiranaykashayap, ravana and shishupal is the incarnation is the same soul.. hiranyakashyap ne boon manga tha jiske karan narsingh bhagwaan ne unka wadh kiya but ravana ne human ke hatho marne ka boon manga (ravana ko kai boons mile the jisme se koi bhi usko agle birth me nahi mile) and shishupal ne koi vardaan nahi manga tha bhavishyavaani/ jyotish vaani hui thi uski death ki... if we agree agar boons soul ko milta hai to this important and main stories of our different yuga will be contradict it

if boon is carried out by souls so when people will take a new birth specially demons they should have the power of previous birth but they didn't have the same power cause soul can't be take or give anything...nothing can effect soul except our own deeds or karam ( geeta me lord krishna ne kaha yeh)... soul can be pure and impure... if soul is pure so person will get "Moksha" and if impure so person will have to take birth again in any form has to try to get his soul pure in the life cycle while travelling on the path of karm and bhakti... Actually for I am not ready to accept the fact about soul cause of geeta but it is not compulsory I am 100% right

I don't say My knowledge is right cause I know we can't say anything certainly... and this is pure based on our belief, faith and the personality and the way we take things... I always try to get the meaning or lesson of any story which I read that's why I said my take... It depends on person which we believe and follow

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Mahakali

I agree to disagree with you on every point you wrote reg Draupadi reg soul and brain and everything else. I stick to my views completely and I respect others like you who think differently. We are in different pages..We can never hold similar thoughts..just the thought process is different. I repeat I believe Ved Vyas Mahabharat that too Bori CE and then Shiv Mahapuran for Shiv related stories. So we differ in basics itself.. So Let us agree to disagree.

Lakshmi

Originally posted by: mnx12

A soul can not perform anything on its own. Soul needs a body to elevate to higher planes. Body performs karma guided by intellect of the person.
Intellect purified by penance, good deeds, aims to go higher.
Gajasur based on his intellect aimed to rise higher. Pleasing Mahadev through his penance, getting boon to make sure about gaining knowledge from Mahadev forever, was his way of asking for liberation. As higher knowledge will always keep him at higher plane. It always upto the person what is the highest achevement for him/ her/ any soul.
Gajasur lived forever, with his sacrifice on Vinayak's body.


Brain stops functioning after death for normal people. Seekers of Spiritual path have already aligned their intellect in higher plane, which guides the soul to go higher & higher. Once reached at the highest plane, only merging with Brhman is left. Their body lives as long as their life span remains.

Originally posted by: rsnarula67

U r right, soul needs body for performing action.

I think attaining knowledge is also an action, so soul needs the body for that. If the soul is already one with God, then attaining knowledge is not needed.

Also to stay with God (beside God) again Atma has to be separate from the Paramatma. Otherwise it would be becoming one with God, where the soul ceases to exist separately.

In this particular version of the Gajasur story, it is clear that he wants to attain knowledge while being with Mahadev.

If we think that the brain of Gajasur is working in tandem with Vinayak's soul - that would be almost schizophrenic. Doesn't gel at all.

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I have been discussing this others, and one of the views that was put forth is : it is possible that this might have been a small change made in the original story by one of the kathakars or orators many aeons ago - trying to create a more simple presentation, based on the audience it was being told to. In later retellings the story gains legs of its own.

Am not too sure about this, but maybe?