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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Jamy-

@Riti- yeah. In some parts of Kerala, Dury is still considered with love and devotion because he was never a nightmare for his subjects.

@JustMySelf- yeah. Dury was a man unlike what we've heard. Almost all of us have heard only stories about his worst side. Apart from his rivalry with Pandavas, he was a great man. If you read Urubhanga (means the breaking of thigh), a Sanskrit text written on Duryodhana's death, by the most famous Sanskrit play writer Bhasa who is considered to be lived sometime around Veda Vyasa himself, his both sides are explained very beautifully.

@amritat- I've already stated I don't know how much of it is authentic. But when a system founded by him got adopted by a State Goverment and it is still functioning very well, we can't completely discard it also. Only that I meant.

@Neutral2- I've heard about the Malanada Duryodhana temple and kaurava temples you mentioned.😃


I have read Urubhanga and have absolutely loved it...😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Hmm, I find VH to be the defining incident in the epic. Or at least the turning point. I too, have grown up hearing that Syyodhan was actually a good king. I have some sympathy for Karna. None at all for Dushy.

But for their part in VH, I cannot find much in these characters to dislike. That is why I dislike Yudhishtir almost as much as Dushy (may be even more). Wagering on your wife and brothers, like they were your cats or dogs!😲. I liked the ending of Parva, where Bheem tells Krishna that he and Arjun are going to be the rulers while Yudhi remains the figurehead.


@Bold, Have you read M.T Vasudevan Nair's Malayalam novel Randamoozham' meaning "the second chance"? I am not a Malayali and have read its English translation available online named "Bhimsena".

There actually Yudi offers Bheem to be the king after the war as he feels that his participatin in the war was not enough to claim the throne and the majority of the war was won by Bheem. Yudi wanted to go to excile in the forest. Arjun, Nakul and Sahadev were also agreeable to Yudi's decision. Bheem too was convinced and was about to accept the offer when Draupadi told Bheem that he should not accept it as Yudi's going to the exile would mean she too would have to follow.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bharti

Thx for the response. I AM a Malayali and read it in the original. I remember that part


I dislike that book intensely, I have read MTs other books and feel they have a strong misogynistic tone to them. Randamoozham's characterization of Drau is also inconsistent. On one hand, she is strong willed as well as manipulative and OTOH she hides to eavesdrop on convos? 😕 Not only that he portrays her indifference to other wives as something bad and her anger at other wives also as bad. My personal opinion is that he seems to have an issue with strong women


Also it is ambiguous on Krishnas role in all this? Why is he there? 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

Bharti

Thx for the response. I AM a Malayali and read it in the original. I remember that part


I dislike that book intensely, I have read MTs other books and feel they have a strong misogynistic tone to them. Randamoozham's characterization of Drau is also inconsistent. On one hand, she is strong willed as well as manipulative and OTOH she hides to eavesdrop on convos? 😕 Not only that he portrays her indifference to other wives as something bad and her anger at other wives also as bad. My personal opinion is that he seems to have an issue with strong women


Also it is ambiguous on Krishnas role in all this? Why is he there? 😕


Yeah I know, I too did not like his Draupadi's characterization in some parts and take the with a pinch of salt... But no wife can be very happy about the presence of other women in her husband's life...unless she is a saint and Draupadi IMO was no saint..😊 If she were one, I would not have liked her...😆

But I loved her characterization in the other parts, like the princess who loves to hear stories of combat and blood...😳

I also liked how it showed that the Pandavas were not demi-Gods and each of the Pandavas, including the central character of the novel, had their own share of shortcomings...I like books where they express the grey shades in all the characters...😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree Bharti

But the anger at other wives is portrayed as bad and so is indifference or pleasant behavior. 😕

Also in parts she is strong and in other parts just sneaky; Drau was no saint but she was fairly straightforward in most versions

I also like human presentations but my question stands. MT did not have a reason for Krishnas presence there. So he goes after a character that he thinks will sell more books but shows intellectual cowardice when describing Krishna
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnuMP

I agree Bharti

But the anger at other wives is portrayed as bad and so is indifference or pleasant behavior. 😕

Also in parts she is strong and in other parts just sneaky; Drau was no saint but she was fairly straightforward in most versions

I also like human presentations but my question stands. MT did not have a reason for Krishnas presence there. So he goes after a character that he thinks will sell more books but shows intellectual cowardice when describing Krishna


The version I read was not the exact translation, but I do not remember her anger towards the other wives much...As I said, I always read with a pinch of salt...I think Drau was fierce, independent, dutiful as a queen/wife/DIL/mother/friend and straightforward...

I agree what you say about Krishna, there wasn't much about him...And from one instance in the book, where Drau was pissed on Krishna as she thinks he is encouraging the Rajsuya as he wants to kill his own enemies at the hand of Pandavas by goading Arjun to kill Jrasandh, I felt that the author wants to show that Drau and Krishna did not have a friendly relation...😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bharti


My irritation is that he took a strong female character and made her into sneaky and weak woman. He wasn't intellectually courageous enough to take on Krishnas doings and put all the blame on Panchali instead


Whether or not we believe in Krishnas divinity, his role in the war cannot be ignored. He did ignore it and made it about as thought Panchali caused the war

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I guess this is the reason why, people have so many misconceptions about Draupadi.
These authors take creative liberties, and write whatever they want, and completely ruin the image of these characters, in the mindset of the common people.
This is what I hate about these novels.
And what is even worse is, some people actually digest all this, and consider all this to be the ultimate truth. They forget, that it is simply an author's perspective, and it has got nothing to do with the epic. Disgusting!!
Just bcoz, Draupadi was a strong woman, doesn't mean she misbehaved with her co-wives.
It doesn't mean, she didn't let other co-wives stay at Indraprastha...
And y do people think she manipulated Bhima?
I don't find asking a husband to bring a flower or coaxing him to protect her from a potential rapist, that manipulative.
Only people, who can't handle a strong woman who rebels, and makes decisions, as per her own wish, write stories of this kind.
I wonder, how many such novels exist in our country, in various languages, that completely ruin her character.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is a wonderful thread with great discussions and insights.👏⭐️

I am interested in reading mt's book randamozam on bheema which is considered his greatest literary work. I read its free form english translation by prem panicker and loved characterization of bheema. Honestly, i did not pay much attention to drau but will read those parts closely.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cotswolds

This is a wonderful thread with great discussions and insights.👏⭐️


I am interested in reading mt's book randamozam on bheema which is considered his greatest literary work. I read its free form english translation by prem panicker and loved characterization of bheema. Honestly, i did not pay much attention to drau but will read those parts closely.



I started the thread to see what fascinates people about the epic and fell into my own trap😆.


Obviously the idea of Drau fascinates me. I have read some versions shorn of divinity but most fail to include Krishna in the whys of MB war. The intellectual dishonesty just bugs me. They wouldnt dare go after his character with a sharp knife (or pen) but feel comfortable doing that with Panchali


Krishna is actually one of my favorite characters, mind you😃


Re:MT. I consider him the Maureen Dowd / NYT of Malayalam language. He has a wonderful way with words and Malayalam is not an easy language to write in; the writing is however INTENDED to demean just like Dowd's. He has taken many a legend in Kerala and turned it on its head, which by itself is worthy of applause, but all of his works follow the singular pattern of showing strong women in the poorest of light. If you dont mind subtitles, I recommend an old movie called Vadakkan Veeragatha - the actual legend (about people who are part of recorded history) has it that the heroine saved her whole clan from the villain, but he managed to make her into one


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