Why Mahabharat continues to fascinate - Page 5

Originally posted by: riti4u

@Neutral2 - for clarification on Karna's part in Lac house incident.Here citation from CE edition ( all credit to TheWatcher)
"..Vaishampayana said, O descendant of the Bharata lineage! When the king addressed Pandu's great-souled sons, the evil-hearted Duryodhana was extremely happy. O bull among the Bharatas! He privately summoned Purochana, grasped the adviser by the right hand and told him these words. "O Purochana! This world, with all its riches, is mine. But with me, it is also yours. You should protect it. I have no other ally who is as trustworthy. I have to consult with you. O father! 44 Keep these consultations 45 and destroy my enemies cleverly. Skilfully accomplish what I ask you to do. Dhritarashtra has sent the Pandavas to Varanavata. On Dhritarashtra's command, they will sport themselves in the festival there. Ensure that you reach Varanavata today on a cart drawn by swift asses. On reaching there, build an excellent house with four halls on the outskirts of the city" large and full of riches and near the store where weapons are kept. Use hemp, resin and other inflammable materials that can be obtained in the construction. Mix the clay with ghee, oil from seeds and a large quantity of lac and plaster the walls with this. Also place carefully in the house hemp, cane, ghee, lac, wood and wooden tools, but in such a way that the Pandavas or other men are not suspicious on scrutiny and do not deduce that the house has been constructed with inflammable materials. After constructing the house in this way, reverently pay homage to the Pandavas and get them to live there, with Kunti and her attendants. For the sons of Pandu, place beautiful conveyances, seats and beds there, so as to satisfy my father. Do it in such a way that no one in the city of Varanavata gets to know, until our time arrives. Knowing that they are asleep in their beds, completely assured and without suspecting danger from anywhere, set fire to it, beginning at the gate.."

Karna is not involved here.

okk...

I read only kmg and Karna name was mentioned there. I don't know whether it was Gandhari's son or Sut putra.

Also someone said that actual disrobing didn't take place and Krishna/Dharma saving Draupadi by supplying saree was later addition by Vaisnaiv to glorify Vishnu/Krishna.

Then JustMySelf question was right why Kunti did not tell yudi about Karna when Yudi got Indraprastha ? Why Krishna did not advice Kunti to accept Karna as a son? When Yudi got indraprastha it was accurate time for Kunti to tell the truth.

Sorry discussion is again going wrong direction.

Originally posted by: -Jamy-

Wow. Great discussion going on guys. I loved reading every reply posted here. Here are my two cents.

I don't know much about how good ruler Yudhishtira was. But Duryodhana was not a bad ruler. Of course he was a nightmare to Pandavas, but he was very kind and caring towards his subjects. That is why he managed to get eleven akhauhini troups for the war, unlike what did they show in the show.

There is this incident that once severe drought affected the kingdom, which was followed by severe poverty. And Duryodhan did spend even the last penny he had to make sure that no one sleeps hungry in his kingdom. Also he managed to visit every single house to make sure that no one is worried. I don't know how much of this is true. My dad has told me this story. But he also cited the illicit means in which Duryodhana tried to satisfy his greed for the throne. He also said that the ration system for supplying daily needed food etc for everyone, organised by civil supplies department of Kerala State has loosely adopted this idea of Duryodhana. And still, Kerala is the no.1 state in all over India in case food security for past 50-60 years...

Except for his treatment towards Pandavas, Dury was a good person. I've no idea about Yudhi.

Originally posted by: -Jamy-

Wow. Great discussion going on guys. I loved reading every reply posted here. Here are my two cents.

I don't know much about how good ruler Yudhishtira was. But Duryodhana was not a bad ruler. Of course he was a nightmare to Pandavas, but he was very kind and caring towards his subjects. That is why he managed to get eleven akhauhini troups for the war, unlike what did they show in the show.

There is this incident that once severe drought affected the kingdom, which was followed by severe poverty. And Duryodhan did spend even the last penny he had to make sure that no one sleeps hungry in his kingdom. Also he managed to visit every single house to make sure that no one is worried. I don't know how much of this is true. My dad has told me this story. But he also cited the illicit means in which Duryodhana tried to satisfy his greed for the throne. He also said that the ration system for supplying daily needed food etc for everyone, organised by civil supplies department of Kerala State has loosely adopted this idea of Duryodhana. And still, Kerala is the no.1 state in all over India in case food security for past 50-60 years...

Except for his treatment towards Pandavas, Dury was a good person. I've no idea about Yudhi.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

okk...

I read only kmg and Karna name was mentioned there. I don't know whether it was Gandhari's son or Sut putra.

Also someone said that actual disrobing didn't take place and Krishna/Dharma saving Draupadi by supplying saree was later addition by Vaisnaiv to glorify Vishnu/Krishna.

So here Karna gain more sympathy.

Then JustMySelf question was right why Kunti did not tell yudi about Karna when Yudi got Indraprastha ? Why Krishna did not advice Kunti to accept Karna as a son? When Yudi got indraprastha it was accurate time for Kunti to tell the truth.

Sorry discussion is again going wrong direction.

@ Jamy

I also heard the story/ folktale of Duryodhan.

Duryodhan never believe in caste system not only for Karna but also for common people.

Duryodhanan traversed the forests in the south and reached Malanada hill. By that time he was much tired and went to a nearby house on the north west of Malanada and asked for drinking water. It was Kaduthamsserry Kottaram, where Malanada Appoppan, the priest and ruler of the land was staying. An elderly woman gave him toddy which was customary at that time as a mark of respect. The king enjoyed the drink, but realized after seeing the Kurathali' worn by the woman that she belonged to an untouchable lower cast by name Kurava'. The king consoled himself and appreciated the divinity of the place and its people who possessed supernatural powers (Siddha). Thereafter, in furtherance of his Rajadharma', the king sat on the hill and worshipped Lord Siva, praying for the welfare of his people (the prajas). As an act of charity he gave away 100s of acres of agricultural land and paddy fields as freehold to the Devasthanam'. Even now the land tax of the above property is being levied in the name of Duryodhanan'.

When the people offered Duryodhan to built a temple for him the king also ensured that Gandhari, the Royal Mother, Dussala,his sister, Karnan, his close associate and Angarajan', Dronar, his Guru' and the other members of his family were properly and adequately aboded and worshipped in the nearby places and members of the Kurava' caste are poojaris in all such places.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

I think VH happens in every version. The differences come when explaining IF she was saved and HOW she was saved

Originally posted by: JustMySelf

all those niyog n etc etc that they mention isnt it like surrogacy or test tube babies type?so if in that age ppl were open to surrogacy type then y kunti felt ashamed to disclose herself as single mother?infact kunti selecting d gods 2 gv birth to d wishful sons hints of selective dna designer babies so that was like modern science yet kunti cdnt admit n accept karna back?😲