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riti4u

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Posted: 11 years ago

#191

Originally posted by: -Archu-
Reading the bold lines of citations provided here i remember my english classes and the sentence "Hang him ,not leave him" Its nothing realted to the topic of the thread..i am sorry for that...But still none can claim the meaning of every citations he/she reading is just like that it appears..It can appear differently for different people..

thanks archu... probably this is one thing that i am trying to say from the time...I have seen citations being brought in discussions...

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#192

Originally posted by: riti4u

thanks archu... probably this is one thing that i am trying to say from the time...I have seen citations being brought in discussions...

It is not only that. I have seen members arguing over the usage of one word. But the fact is, KMG's translation is according to the way he interpreted the verses. If you knew Sanskrit and you read the same verse, chances are, you may land up with a different interpretation.

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ThePirateKing

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Posted: 11 years ago

#193

Originally posted by: riti4u

Hey but they can be excused from this... Coz they are pandavas... 😳

OfCourse they had to be excused😳. You see they did not kill the Nishada family deliberately.

Similarly they did not kill the Nagas deliberately when they burned the Khandava forest, it so happened that they were present during the burning. Had somebody written the history from the Naga perspective, he/she would have written that as the genocide of the Nagas.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#194

Originally posted by: varaali

It is not only that. I have seen members arguing over the usage of one word. But the fact is, KMG's translation is according to the way he interpreted the verses. If you knew Sanskrit and you read the same verse, chances are, you may land up with a different interpretation.

so ultimately it means no one, not even those who know sanskrit can point out something and say that anyone does or does not deserve respect.. so why is there so much jealousy over Karna's fandom coz a group thinks he does not deserve? this question is not for you Varaali, a general statement in the form of question..

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Cotswolds

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Posted: 11 years ago

#195

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

Similarly they did not kill the Nagas deliberately when they burned the Khandava forest, it so happened that they were present during the burning. Had somebody written the history from the Naga perspective, he/she would have written that as the genocide of the Nagas.

What is so big deal of killing nagas ? How is it so different from genocide of asuras ?

Arjuna killed many asuras while he was in heaven caused their genocide too. They had not personally harmed him..

May be i am biased as i dont like snakes..😆

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#196

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

I would say that was unfortunate.. talking about suicide, i.e more or less, it was when he thought his teacher's sleep matters more than his pain.. he dint know that it will get him caught.. he dint know how to pretend well.. this is what I think and what I think all Karna admirers think.. I think I am withing the limits of the question on the title..

Wasn't he pretending to be brahmin all the while? It was pretty good pretension

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riti4u

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Posted: 11 years ago

#197

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

OfCourse they had to be excused😳. You see they did not kill the Nishada family deliberately.

Similarly they did not kill the Nagas deliberately when they burned the Khandava forest, it so happened that they were present during the burning. Had somebody written the history from the Naga perspective, he/she would have written that as the genocide of the Nagas.

but then whats wrong in even that perspective.. 😊... for some viewpoints..Burning alive of Nishada family and genocide of Nagas could be deliberate too.. What if they deliberately put nishada family in lac house so that their dead bodies could cover up for them...People wont know they are alive seeing that...

Ofcourse dont worry I dont believe in what i wrote above... I was just telling one viewpoint that may exist...

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#198

Originally posted by: varaali

Wasn't he pretending to be brahmin all the while? It was pretty good pretension

yes but not good enough when he foolishly kept his Guru before himself..

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panchaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#199

Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??

What kind of question is this?

Do you have doubt? he is a human and he did mistake, all characters in the epic is flawed but do you question all characters in the epic, or it is for Karna specifically!!!

Then let me tell you yes he deserves it and he got it,

most of the literature work is on Karna, Swami Vivekanada meditated Karna...

Karna is my idol, I feel sad every time I read Draupadi Vastraharan part...

It breaks my heart, even though various authors give numerous explanation about that part. Surely, you want your idol to be perfect, but even after this also I would say he is beyond perfect.

Coz he did repent for what he did, and who had that courage to donate his natural armor to his enemy's father? Even the king of Gods also had to act like beggar, in front of THE HUMAN.

He is THE HUMAN who has set example to humanity. He spared the lives of his four brothers; who insulted him until his last breath, he did not leave his friend's side even though he knew he would probably die at the end.

And yes he died, even the God have to trick his death.

Who am I question Karna if he deserves respect or not, I can never do what he did. Being a human being also he proved himself God of Humanity.

People talk a lot about Dharma adharma, I think it would be a big adharma to question greatness of Karna. Lord Krishna declared him a great soul, do you question him saying also?

P.S:- I see in your post that you are a Bengali, one suggestion please go through some good books our literature has great works on Karna.

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#200

Originally posted by: Rehanism

I don't know where did you get all of that from. He wanted Kauravas to ride their chariots to meet Pandas in battle and finish them off, not sneak into their bedroom at night and kill them in sleep or something. At least the excerpt you quoted doesn't speak of any sneakiness. And sending them off to an 'unknown journey' obviously means journey of afterlife - simply a sarcastic metaphor. That's no brainer. Basically he wanted a one-on-one fight to finish between the Pandas and Kauravas, without any army or legion or allies.

But let us now, encased in mail and armed with our weapons, mount our cars and go in a body to slay the Pandavas now living in the forest! After the Pandavas have been quieted and after they have gone on the unknown journey, both ourselves and the sons of Dhritarashtra will find peace! As long as they are in distress, as long as they are in sorrow, as long as they are destitute of help, so long are we a match for them! This is my mind!

I am sorry but this clearly shows he is not going there because he suddenly realized it is his chance for one-on-one battle with them!

Obviously, he wants battle, isn't suggesting to roast them alive or poison them -- for once.

But if he was actually aiming for one-on-one or five-on-five or something, why didnt he just challanged them before?--- since he wants to have a fair battle and all and at this point, pandavas are only five in the forest and Kauravas still have their army and man power, and IP belongs to them too?

So it i just that -- Firs year of exile -- As Karna says, Pandavas are distressed and drowning in their sorrows -- Why does he care about all that? and suddenly it makes him feel they can match the Pandavas?

And if he had cared about fairness and one-on-one battle, he would have stayed away from the dice hall maybe. And if wanted to vanquish pandavas like that-- challenging them one by one would have done.

But he first waited for the dice game to finish, which he called just on everyones face when Shakuni was cheating -- and now that Pandavas are stripped off their kingdom and armies -- and are grieving in the forest, now it maters that they have one-on-one battle with them because now it would be fair?

Yeah, maybe he wanted to send them towards the unknown journey of heaven or maybe he meant that Pandavas would disappear forever on this unknown journey, people would assume while in reality they are just dead?

After all, people were to assume pandavas died in a freak accident the lac house conspiracy , not killed by the infamous four?