Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??[DT Note Page 15]

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I read Mahabharat for the first time when I was in class V. It was a Bengali, abridged , kiddish version of Mahabharat by Upendrakishore RayChaudhury, that was included in our Vernacular syllabus.

Believe it or not, while reading it, I instantly got attached to Draupadi, n for some reason, that I still cannot fathom even today, I somehow could relate to her, even at that tender age. Yes that's right. I became a fan of Draupadi since then.

However, there was one character, that I never really cared or bothered to care much about. And that was Karna. I don't know y but I didn't feel any attachment to Karna, then.

Well that was 2002. 11 years later, I came to know that Mahabharat is being remade by Star Plus in a grand scale.
After 11 years of gradual detachment from Mahabharat, this news actually brought out the old excitement in me, and 2-3 months before Mahabharat went on air, I started doing research on the important characters of Mahabharat, like Arjun, Draupadi, Karna,etc and even started taking interest in Bhagavad Gita.
It was at this time that I went through several articles on Karna, and gradually became a huge fan of his character. There was a time, when I didn't even bother about him, but at that time, I had become an ardent fan of Radheya. I felt bad for his struggles, his sacrifices and his insults. I often wondered "Why did Lord Krishna be so unfair to such an innocent soul?". It seemed as if God Himself, did not want Karna to be the hero, although he had all the raw materials of one. At this time, I was not aware of any K.M. Ganguly's translation, or about any other translation for that matter.
When blog-writers write on their favourite characters, they usually conveniently skip their misdeeds, and focus only on their good deeds, and sufferings.
That is what happened with Karna as well. I read those blogs that talk mostly about Karna's sacrifices and pain, and within a matter of few days, I became, what people on this forum call a "Karnali". I started hating Arjun for killing Karna like that, and began questioning the very ideals of the Pandavas.
After Mahabharat went on air, I became a member of this forum, and got to know about a certain KMG's Mahabharat, from where forum members gave citations every now and then. After being lazy for quite a few months, finally I decided to read it.
Yes, I felt like I am doing something historical, afterall how many people have the time and patience to read an authentic translation of "Mahabharat"!! 😆
Anyway, I started reading it. And then things took a U-turn.
I got to know about how Karna used to dislike Arjun right from childhood.
I read about the Ranbhoomi part, and was actually impressed with the speech given by Duryodhan to accept Karna.
AND THEN...
The Lakshagriha episode...I was shocked to see that Karna was also a part of it. Why? Bcoz Bhim had called him a Sutaputra?
I couldn't believe what I just read.
Then came the dice game episode. And I was completely shattered to read how Karna had been the main speaker in Draupadi's Vastraharan.
I knew that he had called her a prostitute, but he was the one who actually instigated the whole infamous Draupadi's Vastraharan, that is still remembered as one of the most shameful acts of Indian mythology? And people blame only Duryodhan and Dusshasen? Not Karna?
I was shattered to read this, and I stopped reading Mahabharat there itself.
I realized that Karna was not so innocent afterall, and once again my beliefs shifted, and from Karnali, I became a fan of Arjun.
It was around this time, that I started visiting the pages of Mahabharat on social networking sites and various blogs, and was shocked again to see the reactions of people to this Karna vs Arjun debate.
Probably the real Karna and Arjun did not hate each other as much as their fans do. 😡
What irritated me the most was the attitude of these people towards Draupadi. "She was characterless", "She did a great adharm by rejecting Karna", "She deserved to get disrobed for rejecting Karna for marriage", "She loved Karna secretly"...
These were the comments of some( NOT ALL) of these people...
I felt like screaming my lungs out to tell them, "Go read the actual epic. See for yourself, what kind of a person, Karna himself, actually was."
I wondered why so many people worship Karna like this. I understand that he was not as wicked as Duryodhan, and he sacrificed his Kavach, and got killed in an unfair manner, but why do people worship him so much? And these same people condemn Draupadi for one mistake she made in her life, that is, her "Sutaputra" comment, and yet overlook multiple misdeeds of Karna, of how he was involved in murder plot, molestation of a woman, killing of a 16 year old boy, etc.
Then after sometime, I started reading KMG again to find answers to my question, and it dawned upon me, as to y Karna is worshipped so much by so many people across the country.
I realized that there are 2 major reasons...
First is, many of these people haven't the epic.
Second reason, I too did not read the epic completely.
Well, SOME of these people(NOT ALL) have probably not read the epic properly, and probably don't know about the whole picture. This is clear in their comments like "Draupadi said andha ka putra andha", "Draupadi was the only reason behind Kurukshetra war", etc, etc. These comments make it clear that these people are believing in rumours, that are quite popular about the Mahabharat characters.
Thus instead of the epic, they have read some well-written novels based on their favourite character and believed every word written in it.
Now, although these novels are quite well-written, and the authors have done considerable research on the specific character, it cannot be denied that these novels are partially based on facts from Mahabharat, and the rest on the perspectives of the author, which is obviously a little biased towards that character. And after reading these books, and acquiring half-knowledge, they have started abusing each other, or so I feel.
The second reason is, I too had not read the epic completely, then. I stopped at the Vastraharan, and assumed Karna to be one of the villains of the epic, and moved on.
But once I started reading again and I realized that I had been wrong.
It is true that Karna had made not one, but quite a few mistakes at the earlier part of his life.
However, towards the end of his life, he did some things, that somewhat(not completely) undid all his mistakes that he had committed previously.
First of those acts, was ofcourse his giving up of Kavach and Kundal.
Although Karna was a warrior par excellence, it cannot be denied that his Kavach and Kundal made him invincible and immortal. And these added to his already superior skills as a warrior.
Yet, when it came to his duty, he chose his duty over his immortality, and gave up his Kavach n Kundal, knowing fully well that it would weaken his defence forever.
Another incident, however, brings out the true greatness of Karna, that is, his conversation with Lord Krishna.
When Lord Krishna offered him the throne of Hastinapur, honour, acceptance, and everything he ever wanted, along with Draupadi, Karna refused this whole offer, and chose his friendship instead.
There he beautifully explains as to how much Duryodhan, Adhirath and Radha mean to him.
How could he abandon those parents who brought him up with care and affection, which his own mother couldn't?
How could he cheat his friend Duryodhan in the hour of need, who had once helped him, when he, himself was in need of acceptance and friendship?
On top of that, he said that if he accepted the throne, then later he would be obliged to give it to Duryodhan which would be unfair to the Pandavas.
And then, he also apologized for saying such hurtful words to the Pandavas. Although, he did not mention Draupadi explicitly, he did say that when Arjun would kill him, and Bhim would drink Dusshasen's blood, only then will the mission be accomplished, and the yagna be over.
So, maybe, he was indirectly expressing his guilt for behaving with his sister-in-law in that cruel manner.
And later on, when Kunti comes to plead again, he spares the 4 Pandavas, and instead agrees to fight with Arjun only.
Afterall, Karna was appointed to counter Arjun in the battle. How could he spare him, and betray his friend Duryodhan?
What really is heartwrenching is the fact that, Karna told Lord Krishna, that he knew very well that the Pandavas would win. The Kauravas had no chance of winning, and yet he decided to stick with the losing side, only to fulfil his duty of friendship.
After reading these lines, I realized why so many people respect Karna so much.
I am not saying that Karna was a saint. He was not any saint or angel, and had indeed made his own share of mistakes, some of which are unpardonable, atleast by today's standards.
I still don't like him for insulting Draupadi like that, to avenge his rejection at her Swamvar, or supporting Duryodhan's misdeeds. Karna even participated in Abhimanyu's killing and showed his excitement(If I'm not mistaken), after Abhimanyu's killing.
I, so wish, Karna had tried to correct his friend, instead of giving him confidence in his misdeeds.
However, I also believe in one sentence that I came across long time ago...
"A man who makes mistakes and repents, is better and granted more acceptance in the abode of God, than 99 other men, who never made any mistake at all"
This is where Karna triumphed, and this is why, despite all his mistakes Karna is so respected and loved by many.
Although I am only an ordinary being, who does not even qualify to give character certificates to Karna or Draupadi or any other character of Mahabharat for that matter, I would like to say this, that despite all his mistakes(which should not be overlooked), Karna indeed deserves every bit of the respect that he gets. And now I know why.
Amrita
(I have written this from my heart, expressing exactly what I felt and feel about Karna. I hope, I have been factually correct. I have tried my best not to hurt the sentiments of Karna fans, and I don't claim to have read and understood everything about this epic named Mahabharat. However, I have tried my best to put in words, what I have understood about it, and in the process if I have offended anyone, then I APOLOGIZE.)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You summed up Karna pretty well. On the lakshagriha, Karna wasn't one of the plotters per se - that actually was the brainchild of one of Dhritarashtra's ministers, Kanika. Since he had sworn loyalty to Duryodhan as a result of being made king, he considered himself - rightly or wrongly - dutybound to support every decision of Duryodhan's - right or wrong.

But I agree w/ you on his statements to Krishna about the Pandavas, and that's where I think his greatness was. It wasn't just resisting the temptation of a new throne, which anyone might have done: he had the opportunity to pay off his debt to Duryodhan on a platter, but desisted. All he had to do was accept the leadership of the Pandavas, and then hand over all their rights to Duryodhan, and it would have been over. Karna realized that it would be evil, and not only did not do it, but bound Krishna himself to secrecy over it.

Among Karna fans, I think there are few who really condone his insults of Draupadi. There have been several interpretations of his motivations - be it his desire to cheer on the victory of his friend, to his own lust for revenge against Draupadi for rejecting him @ her swayamvara.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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To see the truth even today rapes, acid attacks are happening if girls denies a boy . a frustrated boy can go and destroy a girl's reputation to take his revenge.. to settle land deal , to settle insults.. ..
People who think Draupadi got what she deserved for refusing Karna are actually same where our society is regarding girls in most of the places. If girls displays her wish just crush her.

Draupadi did not refuse Karna because he was Sutaputra but because she wanted to marry Arjun .,but she gave resin as Sutaputra.

Krishna himself said only if she wants she can refuse - no one else can.


Edited by kavmuks - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Kavmuks She didnot reject Karna because she loved Arjuna it is a starbharath creation .I would like to second your thoughts regarding guys not able to take a girl's rejection and acid attacks.But in the epic Draupadi never met Arjuna in first place loving him is a completely hypothetical.She rejected Karna by saying Na aham varayami sootam that is all she said unlike in starbharath where Draupadi speaks in justification.Now that is left to peoples interpretation from the statement .She didnot want to marry a person who was a soota it is as simple as that.
Edited by frappie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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good to read your view on character Karna. You stated all those reasons for which Karna is infamous and famous for.
everyone has their own likes and dislikes from epic. Some are induced from the way various people have introduced characters to us in their own way of understanding it.
I connected to Karna from childhood with a poem that i read in school and he sort of became a character that I was curious to know about... Right or wrong? Probably I was too young to understand it then😊.. but indeed he made his way to this heart .. Honestly speaking when I started liking him..I had no clue of his role in draupadi's VH ... Probably if I had known initially may be I might have not respected him that much... He was definately wrong there and there is no doubt about that...then why do i respect him and love him so much ..reason is because I kind of try to understand this complex character and depth in him rather than just focussing on what he uttered the day when even righteous ones were wrong ...
Was he jealous of Arjun? Well , I dont call that jealousy... may be he had this urge of proving his capabilities which otherwise were degraded in society in name of his lower caste... Again this is an interpretation which might vary from person to person...
We do sympathise with draupadi during VH incident.. all of us despite of our preferences in character...but does anyone sympathise with that man who too felt like being disrobed in rangbhoomi .. I am surely not equating things here...definately not... but if 100 % sympathies are given to draupadi... why cant we even give 5% of that to a person who just probably only wanted respect... Respect ? Respect is what he asked for... he never asked for a kingdom.. True respect is what he was disrobed of...that day..and when duryodhana stood up for him that day..we can surely understand why was he so devoted in this friendship..
As you said ..his deeds in the end surpassed his wrong doings .. he could have very easily given kingdom offered to him to duryodhana...But he knew he was wrong...isnt that redemption itself...
Anyways I think i wrote quite long reply here... but I would just say... He deserves respect which he never got in his lifetime...Atleast his death gives him that respect...
Edited by riti4u - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Amrita ,i used to read and comment on your Female centered posts and knew that you are a fan of Droupathy,Its great to know that you do have respect for Karna ...I loved your analysis,its obvious that it is from your heart.. For me Karna is the very first character ,i got attracted to in Mahabharat..At fist when i heard the stories from my grandfather as a 5 yr old child,it was kinda sympathy..
I cried hearing the story of the infant thrown to a river by his own birth mother ,the teen got rejected by his Guru in the name of his caste and the youngster who had to face questions on caste to prove his abilities...
Later it turned out to respect after reading malayalam version of MB,translation of stories like Mrityunjaya ,His place is carved on the walls of my heart as a hero...
I started reading the KMG version of MB after joining the forum and had a very similar experience to that of yours and stopped reading.. prefered to go on with my own fantacies than facts...
Thanks again for making a wonderful analysis on Karna ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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very well portrayed on character of karna
karna-is probably the most complex character of MB after lord krishna(thats what i feel)
i can completely agree with you on part of not liking his some deeds
and you know why such thing happens because when you admire a character you build up some expectations from that character people are angry on dury n dushasan for vastraharan but 'i guess only karna fans are disappointed because no one could expect such a thing from him
you can always have that"lekin,kintu,parantu" type of thoughts when it comes to expressing about karna which never in case of kauravas because except of vikarna all other kauravas are certified devils,till vastraharan karna always supported dury by remaining quiet and showing indirect support where he doesn't like his deeds but then think from this angle-have you ever felt some moment in your life when it was not so you at that time but due to a certain moment or any situation you can't resist and behave which is so unlike your nature?
thats what happened with karna during dyut sabha ,during war days,he told lord krishna-"wo mai nahi tha uss waqt!" and he actually apologised to lord krishna for his behaviour but it was quite late then
in BR Chopra's MB he asks lord krishna-"kya mai aapko pasand hu?",where lord krishna replies"sadev karna"
even lord krishna felt bad for him,and did his antim sanskaar
if he was not of a respectable character lord krishna would have never been so soft with him(forget his death scene for a moment as it was related to jag kalyan) ,if he didn't deserve respect lord krishna would have never done his cremation,if he didn't deserve respect lord krishna would have never told him that actually instead of yudi or dury he deserves HP throne and these all thing happened after vastraharan
so yes i agree even i didn't like his act during vastraharan but he surely deserves respect because ultimately he emerged as a warrior against so many odds (which were easily available for him if kunti accepted him as her son),he established his own name,he was with dharm all the time -as lord krishna respected him and was very fond of him(i don't think any more proof is needed for him to have dharm in him),and as you said-that one should repent about his/her mistakes-he repented his mistake about vastraharn
and for abhimanyu killing ,many of his kids were also killed by arjun n nakul before abhimanyu's death
so yes he deserves respect!
this is what i think
Edited by nuckts - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i agree that draupadi' insult was very bad
but if you compare both draupadi n karna's insults you will find
drauapadi's insult is like a wound a bashing whose memories will always remain,its a hard strike bitter when going through it but it will end after sometime
whereas with karna-his insults are like slow poison whch never gives the pain of bruises but leaves its impact and it will continue till his end,and he has to face it every moment in his life though its not so extreme as drauapdi's insult but surely has a similar amount of impact in a different form😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I used to be Karna fan, then I Became Arjuna fan as I got to know the epic more.
The only thing that I feel here is that Karna gives many reason to not like him, but Arjuna does not commit any such mistake, even then people hate him especially the Karna fan.

Why? Because the two epic characters were put against each other a lot, and hence fans end up (some) hating Arjuna automatically w/t any reason whatsoever.

now I love Arjuna and somewhat respect and like Karna despite his misdeeds. But I don't understand why love for one has to translate into hate for the other.

Most importantly those who justify Karna's conduct regarding Draupadi follow exact same mentality as the people who say "boys will be boys" , either that or their emotions towards Karna is so strong that logic and respect for the female kind has been done away with. (and surprisingly many females also make this group - thats why they say females are their own enemy)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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see i do understand when anyone starts loving a character, it is difficult to accept that he can be wrong too.. there is what we need to distinguish between our expectations from the character and actual character written ... thus I dont support any excuse if ever given for karna's conduct in VH. It is a simple truth that we all karnalis /Karna fans should accept- That he was wrong then.About disliking Arjun, I dont think majorly people who are karna fans dislike Arjun's character, that is again a thinking resulted due to constant fan wars which i actually find strange.. i think most of this comes from the fact when people try to compare both..and who is greater than who debate starts...thats where negativity and hatred comes..

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