Was Lord Krishna the Hero or the Villain of the Mahabharat ? (Blog) - Page 3

Surya I disagree on dharmic fight of Rama. Rama aims at Bali the brother of sugreeva from a hiding place. At no point I have been able to justify this doing of Rama as an act of justice. Rama felt Sugreeva was aggrieved as he has been forced to exile on a misunderstanding. Rama needed a friend and supporter to find Sita which Hanuman convinced him he can get in Sugreeva.

Originally posted by: belleza

So that makes me think why Krishna never punished Yudi for staking Draupadi,why was he okay with his cousins supporting racism,Why was he okay with Draupadi insulting her guests(which actually lead to the dice game). And there are many more incidents in the war. I agree Kauravas started it. But Pandavas weren't saints either, to have support from an avatar roop like Krishna.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Surya I disagree on dharmic fight of Rama. Rama aims at Bali the brother of sugreeva from a hiding place. At no point I have been able to justify this doing of Rama as an act of justice. Rama felt Sugreeva was aggrieved as he has been forced to exile on a misunderstanding. Rama needed a friend and supporter to find Sita which Hanuman convinced him he can get in Sugreeva.

So Rama kills Bali in a not rightful manner. I dont know if anyone can give me justification for this act of Rama. Maybe other versions are there which I am not aware of. Someone can enlighten me if there is some justification available as this is one area in Ramayan that has always bothered me. Though Banishment of Sita is there which I dont agree to that has some valid justification here and there. But this none.

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Ah.. that.

In Valmiki Ramayana, Rama himself justifies.

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/kish/sarga17/kishkindha_17_frame.htm

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/kish/sarga18/kishkindha_18_frame.htm

Also, a more backstory-type reason is Vali was Indra's amsa. He was best friends with Ravana. When actually Indra had asked Vishnu to destroy Rama. So how can he make best friends with his enemy? Wouldn't that spoil the whole purpose of Rama Avatara?😆

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Only thing I know is that he is one God to whom you can talk the way u want. A child to a mother, a lover, above all a friend in need whoever seeks his aslyum and a source of inspiration for many like me to walk the path you believe in.

Originally posted by: thearcher

Depends on which side is making the argument. Benedict Arnold was a traitor to the Americans and a patriot to the British

true those who support kauravas may view krishna ji as a villian but then they shouldn't forget the kind of atrocities kauravas committed as well.Kauravas werent some pure souls wronged by Krishna ji

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

Yudhisthira self punished himself during the exile, in fact all five of them faced their punishment during that time and went to many temples to do penance and worship.Never knew that. But still punishing oneself that too by visiting temples to do penance. Can that be considered as a punishment..?? I don't think so.

Uh.. pandavas didn't support racism.. there was no racism that time.. Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation #Just saying.

(If you mean caste system.. well, let's not get into that. They lost a brother right?) But they were wrong .

Draupadi NEVER insulted anyone. Andhe Ka Putra Andha is not part of Mahabharata. Extra folktale. Again I dint know that. So you say Kauravas invited Pandavas for the dice game merely out of jealousy and insecurity.There must be something that instigated them.

Incidents in the war of adharma by Pandavas are:

1. Using Shikhandi as a shield (which was suggested by Bhishma, so, yeah it cancels itself)

2. Satyaki killing Bhurishrava while meditating

3. Yudi's half lie

4. Karna's death

5. Duri's thigh.

So no. 1 cancels itself, No. 2 Satyaki got the punishment at Prabhasa 36 years later, No. 3, Yudi got the punishment in heaven,Fine 4. Karna's death was a justification of Abhimanyu's death, so cancels itself, breaking Duri's thigh was a curse by Maitreya Rishi and also Bhima suffered for it later in hell (right before Yudi comes to heaven).Again Fine😆

So, I think that's all the adharma and justifications? So is Krishna the accused cleared of all charges?😆

Originally posted by: -Blind.Dance-

@Shruti -as far as I heard Vasudev is the one who asked Arjun or Pandavas( Don't remember whom he asked actually, Arjun I think as Bheeshm asks Arjun to make his bed of arrows ) to bring Shikandini to the war field in front of him as he felt its time Bheeshm stops fighting.

yes that is becuase Bheeshma himself tells arjuna or yudhishtir i dont know which one that if a woman comes in front of me i will drop my arms then krishna ji suggests shikhandidni

Originally posted by: --aimy--

My reply in red .

One question. What about killing an innocent animal just to trick Drona? Hm.. animals were killed daily in the war. Its not that war elephants were completely unharmed or something. Then again, that puts a question mark on the whole method of war. So.. yeah..

BTW,I'm sorry to peep into the conversation.Just wanted to share my view and clear my doubts. I hope you are okay with that. Perfectly fine. You can quote each and every word separately if u wish.😆

Originally posted by: --aimy--

My reply in red .

One question. What about killing an innocent animal just to trick Drona?

BTW,I'm sorry to peep into the conversation.Just wanted to share my view and clear my doubts. I hope you are okay with that.

actually its pandavas who laugh at dury when he falls into the pond during raja suya yajna.And kauravas did invite pandavas out of jealousy the laughing incident just aggravated the jealousy factor .Dury was jealous of all the success panadavs had had and wanted to snatch it away he wanted war but shakuni suggests there is a better way hence they invite them to dice game

and rest as surya explained the unfair deaths of karna and duryodhan are consequences of their own mistakes

yes pandavas weren't saints either but even they suffered for their mistakes even they lost all their sons and family

I think it can call for a debate