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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#131

Originally posted by: shani88

Well that was one mistake Yudi made but other than that he did have good qualities it cant be ignored.He was Dharam raj most knowledgeable when it comes to Dharma yes in a moment of weakness he did gamble away his wife and kingdom but we cant disregard his other qualities.Being Dharma raj he was best suited to become a king during the time when dharma was to be spread

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#132

Originally posted by: shani88
Funnily enough, Yudi ACTUALLY became the king of Hastinapura after the dice game/vastraharan fiasco, the 13 year exile, and the war...so much for a guy who staked Draupadi.

if Krishna himself did not punish the Pandavas for Draupadi's sake, that is understandable. But Yudi not only survives Kurukshetra, but also becomes THE KING, AND performs the ashwamedha yagya after all that...😕

At least Bhim could've been the King of HP post-war as a punishment to Yudi, right? I know it's a useless punishment, but still...

Well, @ the end of the war, it was a pyrrhic victory for the Pandava side. Everybody that Yudisthir loved - Abhimanyu, Ghatotkacha, Draupadi's sons, Iravana, as well as his friends & allies - Kuntibhoj, Purujit, Virata, Drupada, Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi, Dhrishtaketu, Sahadev of Magadha, Vrihadaksha of Kekaya, all their sons & brothers, everyone was dead at the end of it. He had to 'celebrate' that victory w/ everybody's funeral. No wonder he was reluctant to take the crown. Not to mention that in the war, not only did he have to kill Bheeshma & Drona, even his uncle Shalya was tricked into joining his enemies.

On top of all that, he had to rule for the next 36 years, having lost everybody who they raised - all their sons. He had to watch their wives mourn for their remaining days the loss of their sons. He had to watch his dear bahu Uttara live as a widow at the tender age of 16😭, and beloved grandnephew Parikshit grow up w/o a father. All that put together had to be a gut wrenching experience.

I'd say he got more than what he deserved. A better punishment would have been many of the Pandava sons surviving, as well as some of their allies - Virata, Sveta, Dhrishtadyumna's sons, Purujit & so on - surviving, while Yudisthir would have taken sanyas alone this time, and Bhima could have been king, and Abhimanyu or Prativindya yuvraj.

Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago

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halfbloodprince

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Posted: 11 years ago

#133

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold i agree with that
What kauravas did was wrong no doubt but pandavas were also responsible

They were Draupadi's husbands they had taken an oath to protect her.As far as Draupadi is concerned for me pandavas were more of her culprits than Kauravas.kauaravas had no obligation towards Druapadi's honour but pandavas being her husbands were technically and morally obligated to protect Draupadi which Kauravas weren't

Not saying kauravas weren't wrong definitely they were but pandavas were equally at fault for Draupadi's disgrace

Perhaps a moral obligation won't fit in the case of Kauravas but it can't be denied completely. Draupadi was their sister-in-law, and Indian culture treats them equivalent to a mother.
Yes the pandavas were responsible too, there's no doubt about it. But the blame can't be shifted on Yudhisthira alone, all five were equally responsible. Bhima's share is debatable though!

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#134

Problem is that the Kauravas did not consider the Pandavas their cousins, and ergo, Draupadi too wasn't considered their bhabi. The Pandavas, or more specifically, Yudisthir, does deserve to be blamed for not factoring that in while dealing w/ them. Dharam or not, he definitely was a certifiable cretin. Like I said earlier, he was stupid to bring everyone down to Hastinapur.

What was even worse was the Pandavas leaving Kunti in Hastinapur b4 leaving. How did they assume that she wouldn't be gang raped by the Kauravas? If Duryodhan authorized it, who in Hastinapur would dare stop it?

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#135

my order of Pandava's share of blame will be 1 Yudi 2 Arjun 3 (Nak Sah Bhim) Nakul n Sahadeva neither stopped Yudi nor Bhim.. so I give them lesser blame than Arjun..

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#136

I'd almost not blame Bhima @ all. Yudisthir stopped him from doing anything to support Draupadi, and Arjun stopped him from doing anything to Yudisthir.

Question is - Arjun was overstepping his bounds of propriety. Both Bhima & Yudisthir were his elders, so Arjun had no business coming b/w them. Bhima should have burnt down Yudisthir's hands 😈 and then removed him in a coup, and assumed leadership of the Pandavas. Then rip apart Dushashan then & there, and beat down Duryodhan's thighs. Karna too could have had all his teeth broken w/ a fist from him - I doubt kavach-kundala would have protected against that.

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

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Posted: 11 years ago

#137

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
I'd almost not blame Bhima @ all. Yudisthir stopped him from doing anything to support Draupadi, and Arjun stopped him from doing anything to Yudisthir.

Question is - Arjun was overstepping his bounds of propriety. Both Bhima & Yudisthir were his elders, so Arjun had no business coming b/w them. Bhima should have burnt down Yudisthir's hands 😈 and then removed him in a coup, and assumed leadership of the Pandavas. Then rip apart Dushashan then & there, and beat down Duryodhan's thighs. Karna too could have had all his teeth broken w/ a fist from him - I doubt kavach-kundala would have protected against that.

Good sadism.

BUt going by your logic, Yudi is elder. So Bhima had no business coming in b/w him and the Kauravas... he only had rights to burn Duryodhana's hands...and the other Kauravas... not even Karna!

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india2050

@india2050

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Posted: 11 years ago

#138

So after all this what blame is attached to Shakuni? As requested he rolled the dice (again no evidence that it was loaded) and proposed Draupadi as a stake. Apart from that he seems to have been the quietest compared to Dury, Dushi and Karna

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#139

Bhim questioned Yudi after Draupadi was brought into the court.. not when she was staked.. so that goes against him.. Surya.. we cant be sure if Bhim can boss over Duryodhan being his elder bro.. Duryodhan is elder than Bhim by one day per per other books.. Same day per KMG translation.. younger than Bhim only in starbharat as far as I know..

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Rehanism

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Posted: 11 years ago

#140

I am wondering what will be Kunti's reaction on Karna's role in Vastraharan? Since they interact so much, will she slap him in filmy style or lecture him about his 'maa ke sanskaar'? Worse, in this serial women are present in the court albeit from a top gallery. So will Kunti witness everything?

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