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Originally posted by: Rehanism

I don't think Pandavas had any moral right to claim the kingdom that they staked in gamble. They went on harping about their personal insults at the hands of Kauravas but they never bothered to think that they too were guilty of mistreating their subjects. Post 13 years they only deserved personal freedom as citizens. Its often said that a King/Prince who mistreats a woman doesn't deserve to be a king, and that's supposed to be the moral justification for the war. But what about a king who gambles away his entire kingdom? Does he deserve to be trusted with the crown ever again?

Its because of this I don't consider Kurukshetra war to be any righteous war. It was only a war to settle personal vendettas with a facade of greater good.

Originally posted by: Rehanism

I don't think Pandavas had any moral right to claim the kingdom that they staked in gamble. They went on harping about their personal insults at the hands of Kauravas but they never bothered to think that they too were guilty of mistreating their subjects. Post 13 years they only deserved personal freedom as citizens. Its often said that a King/Prince who mistreats a woman doesn't deserve to be a king, and that's supposed to be the moral justification for the war. But what about a king who gambles away his entire kingdom? Does he deserve to be trusted with the crown ever again?

Its because of this I don't consider Kurukshetra war to be any righteous war. It was only a war to settle personal vendettas with a facade of greater good.

if u say in my perspective pandavas too lost.what they had post war just a big kingdom, no son alive most of the family killed. I do consider that a big punishment. 13 year exile was also not needed if they wanted revenge. they could have taken revenge then only after dice game.yep may b kurukshetra was not a "dharmyuddha" but I do think the pandavas wanted peace (especially yudi). a war always gives the wounds which never heal. even if kurukshetra was not a "dharmyudhdha" rather it was a war to take revenge I donot blame them.

yep they were not sinless or without any fault. they did mistakes and suffered for it.but I never saw the other side suffering except war

Not sure whether the kauravas would have staked their wives or not in an identical situation! But I'm sure no other woman's condition would have been like that of Draupadi, even after becoming a slave.

IMO Yudhisthira paid achingly for staking Draupadi. He lost almost everything, sons, relatives! The kingdom was ruined after Kurukshetra, what can be a greater suffering for someone who never desired for such a massive destruction?
He paid for all his deeds in his lifetime..that's why he went to the heaven alive. Also, he had remarkable qualities as well!

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

12+1 year exile was suggested by Duryodhan/Shakuni.. why would they be bothered about punishing Pandavas for staking Draupadi?

if Kauravas had lost the game, they would have gone on the exile.. though they would have not staked their wife..

what you say might be about his penance which am not sure of..

The Kauravas may not have staked their wives. But even if they did, I am sure, that the Pandavas would not have treated the wives, as the Kauravas treated Draupadi. Even if Duryodhan had made the mistake of staking his wife, I don't think any Pandava would have gone into Bhanumati's private chamber, n dragged her by her hair, in one piece of stained cloth.

@amrirat.. everyone is sure about that..the response in not about if they will stake or if the wives will be ill treated.. or to say Yudishtra was dumb to do that...

what I said is the penalty is nothing to do with Draupadi's staking or humiliation..

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

if we talk about Karmic punishment it makes all the Pandavas same.. am not sure how many will agree that all the Pandavas were equally responsible for Draupadi's humiliation.. any why Draupadi had to go with them? why was she punished over and above what she got in the dice hall? How is Bhima same as the other four?

for Akshayapatra he prayed to Suryadev.. I dont think it was a penance.. guess he recited 108 names of Suryadev.. someone in the forum said abt the penance.. I could not recollect reading from the book...

Bold i agree with that
What kauravas did was wrong no doubt but pandavas were also responsible

They were Draupadi's husbands they had taken an oath to protect her.As far as Draupadi is concerned for me pandavas were more of her culprits than Kauravas.kauaravas had no obligation towards Druapadi's honour but pandavas being her husbands were technically and morally obligated to protect Draupadi which Kauravas weren't

Not saying kauravas weren't wrong definitely they were but pandavas were equally at fault for Draupadi's disgrace