Suryadeva, Rishi Durvasa and abandonment - what should they have done? - Page 4

Well I will blame kunti more for this than others.But we really dont have any clue of society that time. Girls were often married at early age too. For me what makes her unpardonable is the fact that she had sent a newborn child , a defenceless child to river.. really not fearing the fact that it cud lead harm to child itself. She just wanted to get rid of it like many people do in current scenario too... they leave their children on roads ...on trash... n whereever they cn ...not thinking of that poor lil kid who is not even capable enough to understand why he is being left off by his very own mother...

Originally posted by: medha00

Kunti being the mother was her secret, suryadeva, had no right to reveal the identity of the mother.

But no one was forcing him to keep quiet about the identity of the father.He could have claimed his son when he was being humiliated in public while not revealing who the mother was.

Varaali, the real debate is on the fact that karna was not allowed to participate because of the cast.
But if he did accepted his adopted parents and no issue being their son then the limitation put on sutas too came with it.Right?
Any other suta would have been rejected too, not just him.
The only thing that came out of draupadis mouth was "i will not accept a suta for my lord"
No more or less.
How come that is an insult?
Duryodhan and karna were friends since the gurukal days.Right?

Originally posted by: medha00

Anjana, you put it all so simply and well. Applause for you.

Naah - I left out the final "emotional blackmail" of telling him pre-war of K.

There Kunti tried to save all her sons. Darn the nerve of the woman! She wanted them all 2 live happily ever after and if not all then the Pandavas. What a wretchedly selfish mother!😆 If Draupadi, etc. had had that choice they would have opted for it as well! Gandhari certainly tried her all 2 protect Dury even at the last moment. Y blame Kunti for doing the same.

Then there is the theory that telling the Pandavas the truth would have stopped the war. Maybe. But, then evil would have triumphed over good. That is the reason Arjuna had to fight the war... or didn't Krishna know the truth also? Why didn't the all knowing one tell the Pandavas about their brother? Even Karna kept this truth from both Dury and the Pandavas - Why? Didn't he know that his and his brothers sons would die in battle? 😆

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Naah - I left out the final "emotional blackmail" of telling him pre-war of K.

There Kunti tried to save all her sons. Darn the nerve of the woman! She wanted them all 2 live happily ever after and if not all then the Pandavas. What a wretchedly selfish mother!😆 If Draupadi, etc. had had that choice they would have opted for it as well! Gandhari certainly tried her all 2 protect Dury even at the last moment. Y blame Kunti for doing the same.

Then there is the theory that telling the Pandavas the truth would have stopped the war. Maybe. But, then evil would have triumphed over good. That is the reason Arjuna had to fight the war... or didn't Krishna know the truth also? Why didn't the all knowing one tell the Pandavas about their brother?

Originally posted by: riti4u

But why did kunti stayed silent then... even if it was society pressure...All she cud have done was tell pandavas and karna privately about it which she did later though for her own selfish interests.

Ask yourself a simple question - how would the Pandavas have reacted to this truth? Would they not given their all to Karna and Karna in turn to Dury, who did not deserve it?

Originally posted by: riti4u

Just quoting you to answer that bold one... If you have read original text translated by KMG then the answer is because Karna took that promise from Lord Krishna that his identity wont be revealed to pandavas.

Didn't Karna take the same promise from Kunti? And why did Karna take this promise? Because good ultimately had to win.

Lastly, nobody bound Krishna in a promise he didn't want to truly make.

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Ask yourself a simple question - how would the Pandavas have reacted to this truth? Would they not given their all to Karna and Karna in turn to Dury, who did not deserve it?

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Didn't Karna take the same promise from Kunti? And why did Karna take this promise? Because good ultimately had to win.

Lastly, nobody bound Krishna in a promise he didn't want to truly make.

Originally posted by: riti4u

Well .. how cud kunti assume that karna wud give it all to dury... if this was the fact that why did kunti came to karna later and asked him to come to pandavas side and they will make him king.. then didnt she feared that he will give everything to dury...😊

I was saying she cud have said it after rangbhoomi to him n even pandavas... Duryodhana had just started friendship with karna back then... and perhaps Karna wud have helped pandavas getting their share ...

After all it is all upto our imagination right. 😊

At the first point - during the contest. If she told the Pandavas... the Pandavas would have want to rectify the injustice. Leading to greater injustice. As their parentage would have been impugned and maligned. Already Dury used to taunt whether or not they were really Pandu's sons. So, imagine Kunti adding full gasoline to that theory by declaring Karna her son with Suryadev😲

Thereafter there was always possibility that if she tried to reunite her six sons then Karna would give everything to Dury in the name of friendship.

So why go to him on the cusp of the war? Because there it was a matter of life. Life trumps Property. It was her only chance to save the lives of all six. And if not six then five - which is what Karna not Kunti decided. And he further decided not to emotionally weaken either Dury or the Pandavas by revealing the truth to either side. Because it would have been unfair and adharma for the Pandavas to surrender to Dury and injustice to his friendship to Dury for him to abandon Dury.

As for Yudi cursing mommy and saying the war could have been avoided... he wasn't listening to Geeta! And in grief didn't realize what Karna knew - that the war of K was needed and unavoidable.