Suryadeva, Rishi Durvasa and abandonment - what should they have done? - Page 5

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

@Medha - thanks for the reminder. Will leave on that note.

My last thought - Returning to your original question - I don't think there was more that Suryadev could have done. As for Durvasa - if he had warned Kunti then there would be no Karna. How was he to know what Kunti did with the mantra?

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

At the first point - during the contest. If she told the Pandavas... the Pandavas would have want to rectify the injustice. Leading to greater injustice. As their parentage would have been impugned and maligned. Already Dury used to taunt whether or not they were really Pandu's sons. So, imagine Kunti adding full gasoline to that theory by declaring Karna her son with Suryadev😲

Thereafter there was always possibility that if she tried to reunite her six sons then Karna would give everything to Dury in the name of friendship.

So why go to him on the cusp of the war? Because there it was a matter of life. Life trumps Property. It was her only chance to save the lives of all six. And if not six then five - which is what Karna not Kunti decided. And he further decided not to emotionally weaken either Dury or the Pandavas by revealing the truth to either side. Because it would have been unfair and adharma for the Pandavas to surrender to Dury and injustice to his friendship to Dury for him to abandon Dury.

As for Yudi cursing mommy and saying the war could have been avoided... he wasn't listening to Geeta! And in grief didn't realize what Karna knew - that the war of K was needed and unavoidable.

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

At the first point - during the contest. If she told the Pandavas... the Pandavas would have want to rectify the injustice. Leading to greater injustice. As their parentage would have been impugned and maligned. Already Dury used to taunt whether or not they were really Pandu's sons. So, imagine Kunti adding full gasoline to that theory by declaring Karna her son with Suryadev😲

Originally posted by: varaali

Apart from not being allowed to contest for Drauapdi's hand, in what did Karna's adopted parentage prove a hindrance?

None. IMO

Dury and Karna's friendship started long before the Rangabhoomi episode. I don't buy this argument that Karna was 'obliged' to Dury because the latter saved his honour.

Karna was only prevented from participating in the Rangabhoomi because it was only for the Kuru princes. We don't find the Avanti princes, the Kashi princes taking part in the rangabhoomi function.

Okay, as a Pandav or a Kaunteya Karna could have participated in the Rangabhoomi- but by not being allowed to participate how did he suffer?

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

@underlined: I too dont agree with the argument that he saved his honour that day.. Actually he did give him a better status than what was entitled to a Suta.. this does sound a very valid act for Karna to be obliged to Duryodhan..

@bold: They did not participate in the ranghbhoomi function 1)because they were not part of the audience 2)they really were not annoyed since childhood about Arjuna getting the 'best archer title'

if Karna is blamed for being jealous of Arjuna then will have to discuss someone else also which will be too much deviation from the topic.. though I know it is already done 😆

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Wonderful post! Kunti was a flawed character like others in the Mahabharat, but she was not solely responsible for the abandonment of Karna. It's just that people are quick to judge women and blame them, even if others are involved in the case.

Kunti sitting quiet and letting Karna be insulted by everyone as Suta putra was wrong, yes, but he was also Surya Dev's son. Why didn't Surya Dev do anything to restore his son's respect? If Surya Dev, a God, sat quiet, then how can we fault a simple human woman, when humans do mistakes by nature?

And I agree that Sage Durvasa is also to be blamed. What kind of boon did he give a teenage girl for the service she did him? It turned out to be a boon for her later since Pandu could not have kids, but it was also a curse for the poor girl. Wasn't it Durvasa's responsibility to tell Kunti about the consequences of the mantra? He should have given her strict instructions on when to use the mantra, and also a warning not to take it lightly.

Kunti is not the only one responsible for Karna's plight. Two others were equally responsible but as usual, it's the woman who has to bear the full brunt.