Suryadeva, Rishi Durvasa and abandonment - what should they have done? - Page 3

Jhum di i am sure ganga maata kept her flow in check till the baby was picked off from the ride.
She probably had enough of babies drowning in her.
And the father didnt stop the mother from putting baby in a bucket and flowing him down the river, in fact he was up for it.
So if that is such a big sin, both the parents should share it.

Originally posted by: medha00

Jhum di i am sure ganga maata kept her flow in check till the baby was picked off from the ride.
She probably had enough of babies drowning in her.
And the father didnt stop the mother from putting baby in a bucket and flowing him down the river, in fact he was up for it.
So if that is such a big sin, both the parents should share it.

I am not letting kunti off, she kept quiet when she finally could have done something.
But as i said, what and what not she could have done has been discussed loads.
What about the other two, what could/should they have done? You know, precaution is better than cure ... If durvasa had been less vague/told the girl to not consider it a childs play, have some precaution then kunti wouldnt have to look for a cure and fail while doing so in future.

Yes, suryadev did promise kunti that he will keep the child safe.So the girl, after having the confirmation and promise, ran in the opposite direction as far as she could and never looked back.
Nothing unusual about it.Quite typical,actually.

Originally posted by: medha00

I am not letting kunti off, she kept quiet when she finally could have done something.
But as i said, what and what not she could have done has been discussed loads.
What about the other two, what could/should they have done? You know, precaution is better than cure ... If durvasa had been less vague/told the girl to not consider it a childs play, have some precaution then kunti wouldnt have to look for a cure and fail while doing so in future.

Interesting topic. Kunti surely made mistakes, but Suryadev promised to take care of his son's wellbeing to the extent he could. And he kept his promise. Yes. Karna didn't have a luxurious childhood, but he was LOVED and given GOOD VALUES in addition to the basic necessities of life including education of his choice. Let's not underestimate what Karna received from his adopted parents - there are things Dury didn't get having lived in a palace under the care of his own biological parents.

Karna's downfall was his ambition to be the greatest archer - which was in keeping with his actual caste but against his adopted caste. It is for his ambition that he encountered insults. Am not saying that was fair, but the sad reality of that era and the tragedy of Karna's life.

That said had he been content with life as a soot then at best he could have filled Sanjay's shoes! But, how can the son of Kunti and Suryadev not shine? So, he had to become an ambitious warrior.

Let me meander back to what Suryadev and Kunti didn't give him - his identity as a member of the warrior class. Everything else he received in life - love, values, name, fame, education, and even kingdoms. And credit for receipt of some of the above must go to Suryadev -- what? He selected the parents, provided strong genes, and protected him physically with the armour that later enabled him to be excel as a warrior and garner the name, fame, and kingdoms.

So, returning to warrior class identity. He faced insults because of it and had to work harder/lie complete his education. Boo Hoo! There are greater tragedies in life! He couldn't contest for Hastinapur or Draupadi's hand -- Even if Kunti had acknowledged him Dury n Drit wouldn't have handed Hastinapur to him. As for Draupadi - I don't think he was despo to win her - it was the insult that mattered. So, again I return to what cruelty Suryadev, Kunti, and Durvasa meted out to Karna? Not much more than what your average adopted kid faces. Disinheritance and identity questions/insults.

What more could Kunti & Suryadev have done? Revealed his parentage at the expense of the Pandavas' future - 5 to 1 the math is heartbreakingly easy!

PS - As for Durvasa - he should have placed a warning label on his mantra. But, if he had then the world wouldn't have had Karna! And ultimately responsibility lies with the parents... I mean Kunti's parents😆 Btw in all this tragedy lets remember Kunti too was adopted out! Son like mother minus the biodata😉

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

The thing I condemn her for is watching & tolerating him being repeatedly insulted and not saying a word to help him, and then approaching him like a beggar after events ran their course and it was too late to do anything (the vastraharan was the turning point beyond which no damage could be repaired)

Dury and Karna's friendship started long before the Rangabhoomi episode. I don't buy this argument that Karna was 'obliged' to Dury because the latter saved his honour.

actually guys, i won't blame her for disowning karna at her teenage stage(yes, i have ranted about her leaving karna but i was veri angry during such rants😆). especially when we compare kunti with gandhari, kunti shines out as a great mother due to the +ve influence that she had on her sons, they obeyed every syllable that left her mouth. but my issue is not with wat she did as a teen but wat she did 2 karna later in life. wen the tournament happened, she could have called yudhi at least & told him the truth, then karna too shud have been made aware. if that had happened i don't think karna wud have let dury conduct dice game or the whole insult incident, which was 1 of the catalyst to the war. she cud have stopped the death of karna, her grandsons, draupadi's fate(she suffered thru out her life due to the decision kunti took regarding her sharing) & basically the death of millions of people. i feel, it was the presence of Karna beside him that gave dury the confidence to conduct the war. so if she had owned her mistake, all this wudn't have happened. then she did the most cruel thing to karna b4 war, went to him just to use & blackmail him to save her legitimate sons !!! she even got the promise from karna that he won't use a weapon twice. i just cannot forgive her for that.

Anjana, you put it all so simply and well. Applause for you.

Originally posted by: varaali

Apart from not being allowed to contest for Drauapdi's hand, in what did Karna's adopted parentage prove a hindrance?

None. IMO

Dury and Karna's friendship started long before the Rangabhoomi episode. I don't buy this argument that Karna was 'obliged' to Dury because the latter saved his honour.

Karna was only prevented from participating in the Rangabhoomi because it was only for the Kuru princes. We don't find the Avanti princes, the Kashi princes taking part in the rangabhoomi function.

Okay, as a Pandav or a Kaunteya Karna could have participated in the Rangabhoomi- but by not being allowed to participate how did he suffer?