Episode 266 Discussion: 8th May 2013 - Page 8

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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

@Bold: Actually this is a very grey area from many aspects.
1) I actually went back and saw the unsavory unwedding episode...while RK says that he unweds Madhu at mandap and humiliates her femininity...he does not breath a word about it when at chawl...all he says he is leaving her forever...status unknown. When Paddy comes to mano him...he tells her he wants Madhu to feel the weight of this relationship for entire life with its hollowness which is to say she is married but is forced to live like a widow. The next day Madhu tells press that they are estranged and separated not divorce. Generally speaking saying that I unwed you or divorce you does not mean unwedding...the relationship still holds. Hindu religion allows for no provision of divorce and from legal perspective you have to be separated for a certain amount of time (6 months) for divorce to be finalized.
2)RK believes that he has right over her because Madhu 's demeanor suggests that she might be open to a recocillation eventually after initial hiccups. He has right on her not because he is her husband but more because they love each other despite all thier problems...even after all the history between them , she melts into his arms readily...is ready to stay back at his threat.
3)Yes, he was wrong to think ...he could barge in at whim but the if he was not ready to let her go ...nor was she...she stuck around him holding onto him in her own way.
4)It is unclear what the status of thier marraige was...she did not dispute when she was referred as RK's wife on set...she returns back and resumes her role and title as his wife...crazy unless...the couple believed in thier heart that they were still wed.
For the sake of simplicity I assume that they were married...because if I assume she was unmarried then that makes her return and seductive behaviour very sick.


Great 👏...thanks for explaining and I understand the whys now. I have never considered their status as anything other than married, even after the un-wedding drama. I put faith in RK's words to Dips that it does not matter if they had 4 or 7 pheras. What matters more is whether he considers Madhu his wife and he said to Dips that he did in the kitchen post Samsher's release from prison.

Sorry to make you watch that heart wrenching episode again. I have seen re-runs of some episodes (even last year's episodes) but for some reason that episode is compartmentalized in my brain at the very end.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: CHAKKU_DAAYAN

@charu- I don't understand if Madhu actually is so naive that she doesn't understand bhai's feelings or she doesn't really want to understand his feelings and live in her own pink bubble? The very reason that i support RK today is that even if he is being a villain, he is truthful. He doesn't hide behind the mask of MAHAANTA. If there is really nothing between SulBala and they have pavitra rishta then why did she run away from the mall after sensing Padhaji? Couldn't she introduce bhai as her friend?


of course yaar...and was she upset that RK almost caught her? bec. he said she's acting with him and Sultan is her co-actor..isn't that true? 😆 Sultan might not be her co-actor but isn't she acting?? isn't she faking love ? and there he showed it to her that Sultan has feelings for her..why else will Sultan say mujhe kuch bhi keh do par Madhu ko nahi ? ur right, if they have pavitra rishta between them, why was Madhu scared that Radha will spot her with Sultan?

somewhere Madhu is right in her stance...for a minute , if she forgave RK, he again comes up with another shaque and another round of humiliation for her..🤢 it was better if he questioned her in private and reprimanded Sultan in the party for interfering...Madhu telling RK in front of guests that she didn't invite Sultan and RK announcing that his biwi has something to do with this man was idiotic🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

@Bold: Actually this is a very grey area from many aspects.
1) I actually went back and saw the unsavory unwedding episode...while RK says that he unweds Madhu at mandap and humiliates her femininity...he does not breath a word about it when at chawl...all he says he is leaving her forever...status unknown. When Paddy comes to mano him...he tells her he wants Madhu to feel the weight of this relationship for entire life with its hollowness which is to say she is married but is forced to live like a widow. The next day Madhu tells press that they are estranged and separated not divorce. Generally speaking saying that I unwed you or divorce you does not mean unwedding...the relationship still holds. Hindu religion allows for no provision of divorce and from legal perspective you have to be separated for a certain amount of time (6 months) for divorce to be finalized.
4)It is unclear what the status of thier marraige was...she did not dispute when she was referred as RK's wife on set...she returns back and resumes her role and title as his wife...crazy unless...the couple believed in thier heart that they were still wed.
For the sake of simplicity I assume that they were married...because if I assume she was unmarried then that makes her return and seductive behaviour very sick.


I wrote this in another thread...acc. to the Indian laws and Hindu marriage Act, the marriage in which any of the rituals is incomplete is not considered a proper marriage...so we can safely assume that RK and Madhu were in a live in relationship..now there was a ruling by Supreme Court in 2012 that in a live in relationship , if the couple declare themselves as husband wife and the society sees them as a couple , they are living with each other for a considerable period of time (i think 2 years or more) then the normal marriage laws apply !! means that the girl can claim rights over the property , ask for alimony and their children are not illegitimate...this law comes under the Domestic Violence act which protects the rights of women in live relationships ! this wud be known as "relationship in the nature of marriage" and not "live in relationship"

"The Supreme Court of India has noted that just any 'live-in relationship' does not entitle a woman to alimony. To make a 'live-in' legal the Supreme Court says that the couple must hold themselves out to society as being akin to spouses; they must be of legal age to marry; they must be otherwise qualified to enter into a legal marriage, including being unmarried; and they must have voluntarily cohabited for a significant period of time. In August this year, a Division Bench of the Supreme Court ruled that a live-in which has been long lasting will be considered as marriage and children born out of it are not illegitimate"

I'll clarify here that MB CV's have been following their own story..the above piece of info is for GK...I personally assume that RK and Madhu are married bec. RK gave her that position in the society, accepted her as his biwi and Madhu accepted RK as her husband and live with him as his wife...even after the unwedding, what she's been doing, there is no doubt left that she considers herself married to RK..she even made a public declaration and in private, she's all romantic with RK...she surrendered herself to him knowing that they didn't complete the marriage vows...

if a man deserts his wife, no marriage law can force him but there are laws to protect her rights...itna complicated rishta where they can leave and come back to each other at a person's whim, i dun think they have ever shown it in any tv serial...even ekta kapoor didn't mess with the shadi aspect..whether a girl is getting married 4 or 5 times, at least there was a proper wedding...Puja, i agree with you, they must show Madhu marrying one of them...i said it long back that this is the best way to restore Madhu's respect in the society...
Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: _charu_



I totally agree with above!! But just a little thing.. My neighbor's tenants just brought their DIL after putting a red dupatta on her, in presence of close family n frenz.. They did it to avoid the expenses of wedding.. The marriage was legal.. My mom called it 'chunni chada ke le aye'. They were a socially accepted couple. I think what u need for certification is a picture and witness.
Madhu got married in the presence of media.. He accepted her his wife in front if the priest. No matter how complete or incomplete it is. She was socially accepted as his wife in front of his family n work place.. Madhu had used 'Kundra' last name in legal papers. Nobody except for Dipali ever pinpointed her half marriage.. She was respected as RK's wife..
That's just my opinion. Having said that, she still needs to get married her way..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just for GK purposes-
Ancient hindu marraiges had only 4 pheras and 7 vachans...the 3 pheras were added later.
There are still communities that follow the ancient ceremony and take only 4 pheras...including some sikh communities where they take 4 laavans.
Hindu law happens to be very flexible on the question of ceremonies and how they are carried out due to disparity of rituals amongst communities. However the question of legalities only occur if someone disputes the marraige...in this case RK publically accepted Madhu as his wife and vice-versa so there is no question of dispute.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Just for GK purposes-

Ancient hindu marraiges had only 4 pheras and 7 vachans...the 3 pheras were added later.
There are still communities that follow the ancient ceremony and take only 4 pheras...including some sikh communities where they take 4 laavans.
Hindu law happens to be very flexible on the question of ceremonies and how they are carried out due to disparity of rituals amongst communities. However the question of legalities only occur if someone disputes the marraige...in this case RK publically accepted Madhu as his wife and vice-versa so there is no question of dispute.



Punjabi Hindus have 4 phere marriages.,.. For sure.. My mom used to get annoyed when they would say 4 phere in a disgusting manner,, coz all marriages in Punjab are 4 pheras..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

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So what to do now...fix everything in one stroke...get RK to realize how foolish he has been and give him a valid reason to go down on his knees and repent...make Madhu face the consequences of her actions and make a decision...fix Dips/Sikky...make Sultan go away temporarily and come back in antagonist avatar...the story is back on track.



Loved your story track, makes sense if CV"s want to get it back on track ... as to the bold, CV's will never mess with the image of their blue eyed boy/man. I don't think they will paint Sultan black anytime soon ... unless they get a big TRP shock.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Just for GK purposes-

Ancient hindu marraiges had only 4 pheras and 7 vachans...the 3 pheras were added later.
There are still communities that follow the ancient ceremony and take only 4 pheras...including some sikh communities where they take 4 laavans.
Hindu law happens to be very flexible on the question of ceremonies and how they are carried out due to disparity of rituals amongst communities. However the question of legalities only occur if someone disputes the marraige...in this case RK publically accepted Madhu as his wife and vice-versa so there is no question of dispute.


haan Puja, there is no question of dispute as both were living together as husband wife ...but apart from pheras , he didn't complete any of the rituals..like sindoor and mangalsutra..it's not that he has to do it there and then..during pooja's also husband fills the maang ..

@cardio, if the marriage is registered in court, toh it's a proper marriage..if they want to follow any rituals, it's their choice or their parents choice...the photo evidence etc. is required only if you want to get the marriage registered in court..they need some proof na..in punjabi's, chunni chadana is an imp. custom..

no Cardio, not the Punjabi hindu's, the Sikhs have 4 phera marriage, in Gurudwara and they take pheras around the Guru Granth Sahib, not fire...not sure but in Arya Samaj weddings, they take 4 phera , not 7 phera..
Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_


I know that.. I am a punjabi brahmin.. . 😊
And all marriages in my family n friends are 4 pheras.. . And if I decide to go the traditional route, it will be 4 circles around the fire., we do 7 vows with lines, nor pheras..
Edited by cardio21 - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: cardio21


I know that.. I am a punjabi brahmin.. . 😊
And all marriages in my family n friends are 4 pheras.. . And if I decide to go the traditional route, it will be 4 circles around the fire., we do 7 vows with lines, nor pheras..


oh okay ! must be true..bec. my cousin had a 4 phera marriage..😊

anyhow, no. of pheras are irrelevant..they are husband and wife...on the unwedding day if RK announced "RK unweds Madhu" , that doesn't dissolve their marriage..this holds true even if they had 7 phera marriage earlier..if a man leaves his wife or vice versa, marriage vows or rituals cannot bind them together..it's their own will...

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