Episode 251 Discussion: 20th April 2013

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

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Ab tak - 1:24 mins - covers highlights from 11th April and 15th April in cursory single event fashion. Then for 17th, 18th and 19th, they kinda give a synopsis of the episodes. So effectively they are covering 8 days of episodes.

RK-Madhu-Bittuji - 2:38 mins
RK - Madhu - 5:47 mins
Vanity Van Interview - Bittuji-RK - 52 seconds
Studio - Bittuji-RK- 51 seconds
Trishna - Padmini - 00:17
Trishna - Madhu - 4:35 mins
RK - Padmini - Trishna - 2:12 mins
Sultan - RK - 10 seconds

Total Airtime for actual episode minus Ab Tak Aage Dekhiye and Precap: 17:23 mins

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As promised here is the conversation with dialogues that I said, I would revert later.

RK continues with his triangular Filmy story, with heroine spending her time between Hero and Villain, until the time Hero really gets frustrated and helplessly asks heroine, whom does she love? Heroine was going to answer when Villain comes and aim gun at Hero's temple.

RK's continuous running dialogues:

Heroine jawaab dene hi waali thi, aur phir, hota yeh hai Bittuji, Villain hero ke sar pe Bandook taan deta hai

Aur Baazi yahin se palathi hai.

Kya Villain Insecure ho gaya Hai

[ME] : All along RK was called by Madhu as Insecure. So today he chose to answer Madhu that he is not insecure, it her friend or the Villain who is Insecure here and that's why came to confront him with a GUN

Hum Hai Deewane Background mein chalte hue, Build up -3 ...Edge of the Seat drama, Logon ki Dhadkan badti huyee...Build-up -3

Heroine kiske paas jaayegi ...Kabhi Villain Kabhi Hero , Kabhi Villain Kabhi Hero

Heroine pe charge ...Kya Heroine Bacha Paayegi ...aur phir...ishqyaaen, Dishquam

[ME] : RK in the movie story has actually the Hero Killed

Bittuji, jaaiye aur jaakar yeh kahani Kisi ko writer ko sunaaiye aur usse Likhwaayiye aur haan usse kahiyega is yeh Real Life Incident par based hai.

Title yaad rakhiye...Hum Hai Deewane

Biwi ...Hum Hai Deewane ya Hum The Deewane ? Bittuji ko toh maine Nahin Bataaya, Par tumhe to pata hoga na Biwi, Tum to is kahaani ke har kirdaar ko bahut Acchi tarah se jaanti ho. Tumhi Bolo

Jaaiye Bittuji, jaakar kahaani Likhwaayiye

Bittuji exits

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[ME]: Madhu in tears as the movie end has the hero (RK) killed. Its like for the first time Madhu is understanding the implications Gun-toting, getting killed, Real Life Incident and Publicised over movie (unlike her Chawl drama, which she forget so soon).

Is it CVs way of showing, how that gun toting is dangerous game ? Did Madhu actually regret like that? Or I have just imagined it in my head ?🤔

Bolo Biwi...Is kahani ka kya end hoga? Iska The End kya Hoga

The only dialogue of Madhu here.

Madhu - Mujhe Nahin Pata

Madhubala Rishabh Kundra toh woh guide hai, jisme har sawaal ka jawaab chapa hai...To phir Is sawaal ka jawaab kaise nahin hai ?

[ME]: 🤣 recall ? Guide and passing exams in school !!!

Kya Hota Agar Aaj woh Goli chal jaati?

[ME]: Rishabh Kundra showing to Madhu a situation where if she was unable to stop Sultan, what could have happened?

Does Madhu realize what Rishabh Kundra is hinting ? Her expressions are still inscrutable as wall. I cannot make Heads or Tails or her expressions 😕

Kaayde se dekha jaaye toh Heroine toh Hero kohi Milti hai aur Hero se his pyaar karti hai, toh phir is Villain ka Role Itna Bada Kaise ho gaya

[ME]: Now this should hit Madhu hard. Did it ? oh! I am still clueless

It is RK's way of hinting to Madhu, you indulged Sultan too much, becoming lax about some ground rules (basically voicing viewer concerns).

Now the Classic Dialogues of the Day

Yeh Duniya Tumhaari aur Meri thee Madhu.

Yeh Ishq Aur Junoon Tumhaara aur Mera tha

Teesre ke naam pe Sirf Muhabbat Thee

[ME]: RK talks like a Scorpio. He cannot bear to see a taint / intrusion in their private world.

Tum mujhse Naraaz hui, Mujhe Thappad maara

Main Tumse Naraaz hua, maine tumhaare dil par aur zor se Thappad maara aur dil tod diya

Hisaab Barabar

[ME]: My Ego = Your Heart

Kyon Mere Andar Tumhe Tadapta hua dekhne ka junoon Khatm ho gaya?

Shaayad Iska jawaab bhi nahin hoga tumhaare paas. Haina?

Woh Isliye, kyonki Tumhaare Andar woh Tadap Khatm ho gayee.

[ME]: He is asking her why his obsession to torment her ended ? Too complicated for Madhu. Lo he has mercy on her and answers, its because she no more has any desire to torment him.

Aur Mere saat ulta hi ho gaya

Maine tumhe apne aap se door karna chaaha, Par Tum, Mere Aur bhi kareeb Aa gayee.

Tum mere Dil aur dimaage pe chaa gayee.

Jahaan dekhoo, wahaan tum dikhti ho.

Jab bhi sochta, sirf tumhaare baare main sochta.

Aur Mere Dil ki Dhadkan, Dhak Dhak ke bajaay, Madhu Madhu MAdhu ki tarah dhadakti hai

[ME]: Hmmm! He finally confessed what kind of effect she has on him.

Aur kya dekha maine ?

Tum to aage bad gayeen. Infact aage nahin, tum to chalne nahin daudne lag gayee, aur woh bhi akele nahin, kisi aur ke saath.

[ME]: Hmmm! Voiced his agony.

Jaanti Ho Madhu, Jab us din maine us aadmi ko tumhaare saath dekha, toh kya karna chaaha ?

Wohi jo aaj Sultan ne karna chaaha...

Bas fark itna hai ki, Meri bandook, kisi teesre ki taraf nahin hoti, balki tumhaari taraf hoti. Tumhe Goli maar deta, Is jurm mein ki tumne mujhe pyaar mein dhoka diya.

Aur Phir tumhe maarne ke jurm mein, main apne aapko khatm kar deta

[ME]: My dear RK, was it the occassion of him dropping her at the chawlgate ? or was it when Sultan took your wife with his hand on her waist ? 😕❓

So you had this much anger, that you wanted to kill her... how could you control it ? Oh! Maybe that's why you had the guts to go to Chawl and wait for Madhu's return. 🤔

But still...how and when did you let go the "heat of the moment" anger ? So it never occurred to you that you lost rights over your Biwi and Madhu had to remind you to keep your anger in check. ❓

Seems you do have your intense angry vents, but will not go for killing...or will you? In Balraj's case you were ready to kill him for what he did to Madhu.😕

Par Phir socha, kyon karoon mein yeh sab ?

Tum to mujhse pyaar karti ho, Tumhe chaahne ka, Tumhe choone ka haque, sirf mujhe hai. Aur kisi ka nahin.

Toh main kyon chinta karoon jab mere alaawa tumhaare Dil mein kisi aur ke liye pyaar aa hi nahin sakta ?

Kyon Chinta karoon?

[ME]: So that was your subconscious thinking over abroad shoot schedule - The Buck Tooth Painting Day episode on 30th March

Then you returned to India, and were thinking all of it over Woh Lamhe Song and decided to go an color Madhu on Holi

Main tumhe chaahe Pyaar Karoon ya na Karoon, par Tum kisi Aur ko pyaar nahin kar sakti. Kyonki Tum sirf Meri ho, Tum sirf Meri ho Madhu, Sirf Meri. Sirf Meri.

Tum Kisi Aur ki Ho Hee Nahin Saktee

[ME]: 🤔 Where did that confidence come from ? How can he be so sure ?!!! Madhu is looking displeased. 😕

Gap of two seconds

Hai Na? Sirf Meri...

[ME]: YEY !!!! See !! HE is Now asking for her reassurance that she will not let him down. 😆 Poor Guy !!! realizes that he cannot do anything without Madhu's support. 😆 🤣

Rishabh Kundra getting out of his Intense Mode and walking away from her

Aur Haan Biwi, Kaayda yeh kahta hai ki, koi bhi ho yaa kahin ki bhi ho, Heroine aakhir mein Milti Hero ko hi hai, aur Villain ko Aakhir main Marna padta hai

[ME]: Seems he is recovered a little bit and shows again his RKesque. And Madhu is scared again 😆

Aur apni maa ko jab phone karogi ...Etc Etc

[ME]: Okay, asking her to tell her mom not to send bodyguards for her 😆

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Later in the Studio when Madhu is not found

Pahli baar nahin Bhaagi hai woh

[ME]: Now what was that ? Googly dialogue !!!! How is he planning to keep her with him, if this kinda situation arises again ?!! So he knows, nothing is well between them, only VILLAIN=SULTAN issue has been discussed between them...and there are 100 other items to be discussed now.

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Snippets - Not connected in direct sense, but yet connected to the fact that Rishabh Kundra says I would have killed you and then myself. Case of Murder/Homicide in the Heat of the Moment

K. M. Nanavati vs. State of Maharashtra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._M._Nanavati_vs._State_of_Maharashtra

K. M. Nanavati vs. State of Maharashtra was a 1959 Indian court case where Kawas Manekshaw Nanavati, a Naval Commander, was tried for the murder of Prem Ahuja, his wife's lover. The incident received unprecedented media coverage and inspired several books and movies.

Movie directly based on it - Achanak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achanak_(1973_film)

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war_is_peace

@war_is_peace

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Par Phir socha, kyon karoon mein yeh sab ?
Tum to mujhse pyaar karti ho, Tumhe chaahne ka, Tumhe choone ka haque, sirf mujhe hai. Aur kisi ka nahin.
Toh main kyon chinta karoon jab mere alaawa tumhaare Dil mein kisi aur ke liye pyaar aa hi nahin sakta ?
Kyon Chinta karoon?

Main tumhe chaahe Pyaar Karoon ya na Karoon, par Tum kisi Aur ko pyaar nahin kar sakti. Kyonki Tum sirf Meri ho, Tum sirf Meri ho Madhu, Sirf Meri. Sirf Meri.
Tum Kisi Aur ki Ho Hee Nahin Saktee

these were very striking...

how in the same line he says "only i have the right to luv you"

n next he says " i may or may not love u"

completely lost his mental stability...

he desperately needs love and acceptance...

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Meenu

@river123

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
Screentime Distribution
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As promised here is the conversation with dialogues that I said, I would revert later.

Thank you Shri! Those dialogues were quite something, weren't they. Seeing them written with your commentary really did bring out all the nuances versus watching them being spoken with the inherent distraction of focusing on the characters' expressions, setting etc.

Am really intrigued by what Madhu actually took away from all this. She was listening for sure, but her expressions were either inscrutable or unbelieving/disgusted? And then because today is Saturday (cliffhanger day) they purposely edited her conversation with Trishna so that we really have no idea what she made of all this. She can be in no doubt though that the man is crazy about her. Even if at the end he said, "whether I love you or not"'. Each and everything that he did say before pointed to the fact that he does.

So Madhu is now figuring RK out, the other piece is that RK is also going to have to figure out who the newly evolving Madhu is. Interesting times ahead.

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MarathiMulgi

@MarathiMulgi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

This is my very first attempt at adding image to the post. This is not directly related to today's epi but I thought this is what Madhu maybe would like to say to RK.

A quote that makes me think that only RK has the gall to say to Madhu.

I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.
- Marilyn Monroe.

Quote For Sultan -

It's hard to take a role in someone's life when you're not even part of the script.

- Unknown

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Hi2life

@Hi2life

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
Screentime Distribution

Ab tak - 1:24 mins - covers highlights from 11th April and 15th April in cursory single event fashion. Then

Kyon Mere Andar Tumhe Tadapta hua dekhne ka junoon Khatm ho gaya?
Shaayad Iska jawaab bhi nahin hoga tumhaare paas. Haina?
Woh Isliye, kyonki Tumhaare Andar woh Tadap Khatm ho gayee.

[ME]: He is asking her why his obsession to torment her ended ? Too complicated for Madhu. Lo he has mercy on her and answers, its because she no more has any desire to torment him.

Aur Mere saat ulta hi ho gaya
Maine tumhe apne aap se door karna chaaha, Par Tum, Mere Aur bhi kareeb Aa gayee.
Tum mere Dil aur dimaage pe chaa gayee.
Jahaan dekhoo, wahaan tum dikhti ho.
Jab bhi sochta, sirf tumhaare baare main sochta.
Aur Mere Dil ki Dhadkan, Dhak Dhak ke bajaay, Madhu Madhu MAdhu ki tarah dhadakti hai

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Hey wonderful analysis but it's just that I see that few lines differently

Why my junoon to see u in pain stopped, because it's more like u stopped feeling the pain.its like madhu ki tadap khatam hogayi, RK se juda hone ka aur missing him all that tadap khatam hogayi and she was distracted from the pain,

Next line, though he has planned to remain indifferent uske Saat ulta hua and woh tadapne Laga madhu ke liye. He has actually planned ke madhu ko tadapna hai RK ke liye, but she moved on but he couldnot think beyond her

Sorry no offense, just my POV

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: Hi2life

Hey wonderful analysis but it's just that I see that few lines differently
Why my junoon to see u in pain stopped, because it's more like u stopped feeling the pain.its like madhu ki tadap khatam hogayi, RK se juda hone ka aur missing him all that tadap khatam hogayi and she was distracted from the pain,
Next line, though he has planned to remain indifferent uske Saat ulta hua and woh tadapne Laga madhu ke liye. He has actually planned ke madhu ko tadapna hai RK ke liye, but she moved on but he couldnot think beyond her

Sorry no offense, just my POV

Hey,

No offence taken. That was just my commentary there. Everyone has his own interpretations. And I appreciate it that you chose to tell me. Because I liked yours too. 😊

I actually (inspite of my sarcasm there) felt that through Tadap khatm ho jaana, RK meant Madhu's indifference to him and his antics. I took it as like, desire, being affected and so lack of it translates to indifference

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thetelleroftale

@thetelleroftale

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
I am not sure if anyone discussed it there or not. Coz, personally I don't go for that kind of story builds. Its too distasteful to me...as if the world shrinks and everything has to be back to RK...like all roads lead to Rome. That's madness. I do not much delve into speculation and quite happy with analysis about plot requirements without any suggestions of what I want to see. My reasons are:
Analysis is my feedback to writers
Not giving any idea is me giving the writer to do HIS job and not question/undermine/influence his creative process and also to make them work hard and not plagiarize ideas from Open Forums. After all they get paid. We do not get paid.

I just felt like clarifying that my 'prediction' was neither a suggestion and certainly not something I want to see happening on the show.

I agree that analysis is a form of feedback but I also have some amount of faith in the writers, that they have enough material to go on without having to snoop around here for ideas.

As my username implies, I'm a story-teller. I do a lot of original work but sometimes certain pre-existing fiction (books/movies/TV shows) catch my attention and I can't help my imagination running wild! Different endings, alternate plots and subplots for sidelined characters -these things just happen in my head.
I'm a little conscious about my writing though and hence the need of anonymity for now.

While MEIEJ has certainly caught my attention, I'm not sure I will be writing any Fan Fiction per say but yes, I'll definitely be sure to post any more such ideas in the Future Track discussion thread :)

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cardio21

@cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Loved all ur takes.. Thanks for making me feel so better about the episode as Madhu's expressions had me confused.. You had everything explained really well but would like to share my take on a couple of things RK said..

-- I didnt like the 'scores settled' phrase, RK needs a lot of work.. I really want RK Madhu to happen, but RK's actions are not supporting my dream..

-- I am not defending him but I have an explanation for the other two dubious statements he made..

He already told her that the hero(RK), despite being loved by all, is in love with heroine(MB).. His heart says Madhu, Madhu instead of lubb, dubb... He actually told her that he loves her. How he was not able to stop thinking about her after revenge. ( he knew what he was talking about at that point, the craziness started once he started talking about Madhu's questionable feelings toward Sultan)

And then he was explaining to her that at that time when he saw bhai n Madhu together, she thought RK didnt love her, but she was still in love with him regardless he loved her or not.. I don't think it meant that he doesn't love her.. This is my take.. Tell me if I am wrong..? He mentioned earlier that only he has right to love her..

-- Regarding the murder threat, since the time bhai came into his radar, he has been extremely mad and had conversations with himself.. He did show his fury and anger on that man and even Madhu, but never mentioned for once about his desire to kill. Even during his drunk confession to bhai he didn't mention his desire to kill.. . I am not gonna buy that.. He can't see her trip on the floor, so u think he can kill her.. He will rather kill the guy.. It was RK just being the insecure man who under the same fear had hugged Dipali, which was one of the most disgusting scene in my eyes..

Ps:: And did anybody else noticed that the physical force used to shake Madhu was considerably less than what has been earlier.. Earlier he would shake her lungs out of her thorax, today he was less aggressive,, May be its just me or because all the hue n cry raised about physical abuse..? Please share ur opinion..

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cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Bittuji, jaaiye aur jaakar yeh kahani Kisi ko writer ko sunaaiye aur usse Likhwaayiye aur haan o

Yeh Duniya Tumhaari aur Meri thee Madhu.

Yeh Ishq Aur Junoon Tumhaara aur Mera tha

Teesre ke naam pe Sirf Muhabbat Thee

[ME]: RK talks like a Scorpio. He cannot bear to see a taint / intrusion in their private world.

I noticed that I always felt that he acts n talks like a Scorpio.. And Madhu definitely like a Sagittarian.. Which to begin with is a doomed couple when the jealous trait in a scorpion is dominant

Tum mujhse Naraaz hui, Mujhe Thappad maara

Main Tumse Naraaz hua, maine tumhaare dil par aur zor se Thappad maara aur dil tod diya

Hisaab Barabar

[ME]: My Ego = Your Heart

I thought the same.. From what I have seen, the rank list in his life seems to be 1) ego 2) Madhu , 3) his life, etc... He was ready to give up his life for Madhu but not his ego.. It says it all.. His ego is very important for him and so this statement hurts me but doesn't surprise me..

Aur kya dekha maine ?

Tum to aage bad gayeen. Infact aage nahin, tum to chalne nahin daudne lag gayee, aur woh bhi akele nahin, kisi aur ke saath.

[ME]: Hmmm! Voiced his agony.

Jaanti Ho Madhu, Jab us din maine us aadmi ko tumhaare saath dekha, toh kya karna chaaha ?

Wohi jo aaj Sultan ne karna chaaha...

Bas fark itna hai ki, Meri bandook, kisi teesre ki taraf nahin hoti, balki tumhaari taraf hoti. Tumhe Goli maar deta, Is jurm mein ki tumne mujhe pyaar mein dhoka diya.

Aur Phir tumhe maarne ke jurm mein, main apne aapko khatm kar deta

[ME]: My dear RK, was it the occassion of him dropping her at the chawlgate ? or was it when Sultan took your wife with his hand on her waist ? 😕❓

So you had this much anger, that you wanted to kill her... how could you control it ? Oh! Maybe that's why you had the guts to go to Chawl and wait for Madhu's return. 🤔

Seems you do have your intense angry vents, but will not go for killing...or will you? In Balraj's case you were ready to kill him for what he did to Madhu.😕

I agree!! I don't think he meant it when his expressed his desire to kill, else he would have mentioned it at some point at least when he was drunk and during his drunk blabber to Sultan..

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war_is_peace

@war_is_peace

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Posted: 12 years ago

#60

i dont know why but i always feel that its not ego its fear...infact i feel its always been fear...the fact that he is least bothered about his public image doesn't allow me to believe that its ego...

(i wud be the odd one here but this is what i feel)

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