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Aahaana thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Its very hard like others said here to find the exact meaning of junnon but i do believe its a combination of obsession and passion. Passion is something positive ,gives inspiration/motivation and brings out good emotions which is in control. But obsession brings out the negativity because we loose our emotional control which again leads to loss of self control and turns into a destructive force.

RK will fall under the category obsessive passion. Usually passions turns into obsession but here, i think CVs took the other route - first obsession and then passion :)

I think CVs want it to look like a dark passionate loves story but the last few episodes gave mixed signals to the audience😕. For some it was junnon and for some emotional abuse. Will not blame any of the side:)

Edited by Aahaana - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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A very good post indeed. I am myself not very sure about what I would class a Junoon as but it does come to the same line of extreme actions which has no boundaries be it of Love/Hate relationship. For me Junoon would be Mark Wahlberg character in the movie Fear (1996) where both characters loved each other at some point but in this show the love so far is claimed by Madhu' side only. As for RK's action currently, I m sorry but I would not class it entirely as junoon and would share the exact sentiments of it being more or less an emotional abuse. I did myself raise a topic on abuse but was shocked to see some responses. I bet RKs character is not himself sure if he either loves or hate Madhu as for now he only wants her beside him at any cost because of his EGO and I can't believe his whole world revolves around him and him only. His character has lost conscience and is way too unstable at this point. Though I can't deny his occasional act of heroism of saving Madhu from her own father but that doesn't make his character any less unstable at this point. So the way CVs selling it as entirely Junnon might be okay with majority but I beg to take it and would prefer not watching it too before someone gives it to me as an option.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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An,since u brought up junoon,This is from an aonymous poster.
From Kaal chiron blogspot.
7 stages of love in Arabic literature:
1)HUB-Attraction
2)Uns-Infatuation
3)Ishq-Love
4)Aqeedat-Reverence
5)Ibaadat-Worship
6)Junoon-Obsession
7)Maut-Death.
Last two stages are so insanely dangerous that very few take that path,
Definition of junoon:The person slowly starts identifying whole-heartedly with the object of his obsession,starts losing his own identity and becomes one with him/her.
He entangles hopelessly with that identity to such an extent that existence-non existence of object becomes his own existence or non existence.
Death could be defined as Fanaa-Destruction of ego.or Kaivalya-Singularity or Advaita-Non dualism,all leading to the same climax
which means lover destroys his self identity,his aatman(Sense of I)
If someone contemplates on a woman and travels these stages,he will end up destroying himself,But he will not become one with the woman or her identity.
RK is on apath of self destruction.He will never connect with Madhu neither will she whole heartedly reciprocate his love and instead will end up destroying her.
This is the bestset explanation I have read till date.
Edited by nlm4 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hmm difficult to define it An. From what I understand Junoon means an all consuming state of obsession for a particular thing or to achieve a particular goal. It can be positive if you are obsessed with achieving something for the greater good but IMO in RKs case his junoon is destructive not only for the object of his desire (Madhu) but also for him. In his junoon he is hurting the very person he is supposed to love. Plus add his super sized ego to the equation...only makes things worse!! Along with junoon IMO there is an element of emotional abuse too. I don't think it is intentional. He is really blinded by his obsession and has lost any sense of right or wrong. I feel the makers are taking a huge risk by showing the lead hero behave so extreme. I just hope they have the sense to not take it too far where the character becomes completely dark.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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good question so much confusion , I don't know till now I thought junoon mean to get something what you desire for that you forget everything else even yourself too, but in case of love I thought junoon mean try to get your love every possible way n thought love junoon comes with love, but here its looks like only junoon no love, as if you are hurting n ignoring the pain of love once then where is love here just you want that thing even without love, here its looking plain ego n keep her near him at any cost, situation is little diff.
in Darr, its looks near to junoon for me, he never try to harm Kiran n abuse her the way RK is doing mentally, but who ever are cmg in between them he tried to hurt them. she got scared with it but he never try to make her scare if I am not wrong as seen movie long back n unable to watch that too, same with Anjaam srk movie. there also jonoor was more scary it was junoon or what I didn't know.
I never though negative side of junoon, it looking obsession not just junoon, junoon for or with pure love is always positive what I feel ,its purely my POV, but junoon with obsession may be always negative where you are unable to see pain of the person whom you clams you love, but in RK case its not only junoon negative or positive but it looking more ego n taking advantage of her weakness that she love her n winning feeling that you still love me so I am really confuse its junoon in love or just satisfy ego n unable to take defeat
full confusion about junoon now but whatever it is it is already gone too far from where Cv can't get back by showing MAdhu still love RK n want to be with him, whether it was darr or Agni shakshi heroine didn't go to that person as this kind of love n junoon is abusing her n giving more pain , girls scare with this kind of love n never feel free around this kind of person so if cvs are showing all this that means for MAdhu it will be more difficult or can say impossible to go back to RK n love him same way without getting scare n feel free the way she did before, its is difficult to accept for genuine viewer too.
may be Cvs will try to show that in his junoon he killed himself to proof his love or apne apko barbaad ker lega or something n that way it will be dark love story, don't know what is their plan ,what I felt junoon apni limit per pahuch jata hai to person khud ko harm pahuchata hai but here he is scaring madhu n blackmailing her n actually giving her more pain can say abusing than himself so how can I say it only junoon for his love not something else
Edited by alovi_21 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#46
Definitely wrong in your interpretation . Don't let your mind control but let your heart control matters of love. Flow with it
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Junoon? Intense passion that goes to the heights of obsession. Junoon can be about anything. Talking specifically about junoon wala love, to me it's when one would go to any length for the happiness and well being of their beloved. It's not about dragging someone, forcing them to stay by your side and showing how much you love them by various gestures, rather it's about doing everything to make sure that your beloved gets what/whom THEY love and find happiness in. Yes, even if it means that the person they love/find happiness in is not you but someone else. Crossing all the barriers to protect your beloved from any hurt & suffering and doing all the (im)possible to make sure the person whom you love always has a smile on their face. THAT is junoon wala love to me.

Neither what SRK did in Darr nor what RK is doing with Madhu is junooni love to me. RK doesn't even love Madhu.
Edited by ..Khushi.. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You have asked a valid question. And "Junoon" does mean "Passion"

But I had always thought that the title of this show being "Mahdubala Ek Ishq Ek Junoon" That it was MB's Ishq which she has for R.K and it would be her "Junoon" to get over the betrayal and still have passion for living her life to the best of her ability.

The story as I had understood was always about MB and her life. R.K. has been a phase in her life to teach her that you can love somebody with all you have and when that pure love is rejected and the person you fell in love with turns out to be not what you thought then you have to find the "Junoon" to pick up the pieces and move on in life.

R.K. has shown a lot of anger and a mean spiritedness and conscious planning and plotting to destroy MB.
And he is paying the price now because when you plan to destroy someone it always destroys you in the end.

Many have seen this side of R.K. as his junoon for MB and assumed that it was for "Love" when actually he put all his junoon to destroy her .

Now since he has dug his own grave by his actions he now is using his junoon for trying to turn it around to suit his need.

If his passion for MB had been love the first thing he would see is the pain he caused her and the pain she still is feeling.But he sees none of that and as far as I know loving some body means you think of them first.

R.K. has reached a precipice of madness only when he realized that MB had another interest and that she had moved on.
I say this because after he left her at the chawl and then found her working at the studio he had not stopped to torment her further and stooped so low as to even use Dipali to torture MB.

He has made MB tell him over and over again that he is the only man in her life. There is no trust and without that there can be no love or junoon.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I don't have that brain to understand such abusive junoon shown by Cv's
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Honestly I can't define Junoon, it's like u r obsessed with an idea, or a person
But what RK is doing is more of emotional blackmail than abuse..

I am not endorsing his methods but just trying to go by literal meaning. As for something to qualify to be an abuse, it has to be a regular pattern.
I know RK had left no stone unturned to make Madhu's life miserable but that was more of a challenge, with her fighting back..

I will look for the text we read on abuse and will try to post it.. Wikipedia is not a reliable professional source. I know we use these terms interchangeably but scientifically n legally, it's quite different. I know it sounds quite geeky😕
The only thing that stands out is that he doesn't apologize.. And that he used abandonment as a punishment, but again it should be a repetitive threat.
If there is a psychologist n psychiatrist here, they will know what I am implying and they will be able to explain it in better way.
Edited by cardio21 - 12 years ago

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