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Posted: 12 years ago
#81
I came across this in my textbook, and couldn't help but think about MB 😆

"Sometimes people react to suffering by developing a deeper and richer character, but other people react to suffering by learning to despair, surrender and grow bitter, which are not admirable traits"

The first half of this quote, about developing a greater character, completely applies to RK, IMO. He went through his share of suffering, and at this point in time, he has even reconciled with it as well (to a certain extent).

Now the second half more or less seems to fit Madhu, given the current scenario.
And this goes back to what Soundarya stated on the previous page, about Madhu wanting to feel good about herself and her always getting dropped by the people that one would expect would stand by them at all times. And this further makes me wonder, if Madhu herself feels she's unwanted around the Maliks as well. That somehow, they could've all led a happier life if she wasn't there.
Okay she does love her family, but why does she have an emotional disconnect with them? Maybe its her feeling indebted to them for having saved her, because they could've went for the other option.

And now with the RK factor in her life, yeah RK is the one that proposed the idea of marriage, but later on Madhu did eventually become emotionally invested in the relationship. To the extent she referred to him as her God (I mean, who does that? 😕). All I can think is, she somehow saw a saviour in RK. He slowly starts melting towards her, and tries acting the way she would like it (which is more of what Madhu visioned her partner to be like) and suddenly she feels special and wanted.

Now after unwedding drama, what remains? Her feeing dejected once again, with suffering leading to despair and bitterness.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: supercool3

I came across this in my textbook, and couldn't help but think about MB 😆


"Sometimes people react to suffering by developing a deeper and richer character, but other people react to suffering by learning to despair, surrender and grow bitter, which are not admirable traits"

Now the second half more or less seems to fit Madhu, given the current scenario.
And this goes back to what Soundarya stated on the previous page, about Madhu wanting to feel good about herself and her always getting dropped by the people that one would expect would stand by them at all times. And this further makes me wonder, if Madhu herself feels she's unwanted around the Maliks as well. That somehow, they could've all led a happier life if she wasn't there.
Okay she does love her family, but why does she have an emotional disconnect with them? Maybe its her feeling indebted to them for having saved her, because they could've went for the other option.


Now after unwedding drama, what remains? Her feeing dejected once again, with suffering leading to despair and bitterness.


Agree with you and Soundarya as well on Madhu...
@Bold: If she feels indebted to her family, for having brought her into this world, despite facing so many hurdles and being showered with love from them, then should she not value her life more so for her family(especially her mother) if not for herself?
Edited by zoya_naziya - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83
@ Zoya - I would say that's what she needs to learn. She needs to understand that her family loves her unconditionally, and it's not a give and take thing.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: supercool3

@ Zoya - I would say that's what she needs to learn. She needs to understand that her family loves her unconditionally, and it's not a give and take thing.


As far as I know, she very well knows her family loves her unconditionally... The day RK put forth the Pads-Malik marriage proposal, she had very fondly and lovingly spoken about her family and their bonding despite them not being blood-relations... In her letter to her mom before the twist, she writes to her mother that I have been given unconditional love by you and others in the family... Even during that Mata-Rani puja raat, there was that pride and arrogance when she spoke of Malik as a loving and doting father... She has only spoken with disgust about Balraj.. And yes, i agree that she felt very bad that she was unwanted and it has been imprinted in her mind since then... But she would also be knowing that the village daima who helped Pads run away, wanted her to come into this world... Her father Malik, attacked RK thrice only for the sake of her(not caring about his own life) and she knows it very well... Now would you still say that she does not understand that her family loves her unconditionally? Her dad landed himself in the hospital on life-support machines coz she messed up with a superstar...

They have always risked their life for her... She has to understand that she too owes them...It is high time...when would she understand? after someone of her own actually loses their life because she wants to go and reform people... Am not saying she is in anyway doing anything wrong... It is a very noble deed indeed and I appreciate and applaud her for her good-heartedness and intentions... but there is a time and a way of doing things...


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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya


Agree with you and Soundarya as well on Madhu...
@Bold: If she feels indebted to her family, for having brought her into this world, despite facing so many hurdles and being showered with love from them, then should she not value her life more so for her family(especially her mother) if not for herself?


The flaw in Supercool's theory is Madhu does not feel dejected and instead is fighting back. People like her cannot keep those words in their dictionary. They are not contented souls due to insecurities of their own. There is her need to prove to herself and her family and that's why she works solo. I sometimes use Ego word for Madhu also. Madhu's ego is what makes her resilient and look for anything that will make her a crusader. This is where she proudly tells RK that she cannot fall low in indulging in bad acts and this is where she is easily able to suppress her emotions from being visible to others and concentrate all that emotional energy into looking for idealistic activities. And in her zealous pursuit of crusading activity, she sometimes forgets discretion, jurisdiction and the futility of these pursuits. For ex: her crusade right now is to rescue a boy called Aryan and to teach his father how to be a good parent. This is so idealistic and perfect for a crusade with reluctance involved that she can counter-suppress. However, the flip side is that she forgot to see who the man was...whom she is trying to counter...it is a gangster.

Read abt a colors tweet ...if Madhu will reform Sultan.

Seems that is the new plotline. Yes Sultan will agree to get reformed by Madhu...just that Madhu does not yet there is a Bhujang also, for whom Sultan cannot yet get reformed until he is finished. Will Madhu understand this ?

Talk about flawed characters and their whimsicalities. Any given day, logic makes everyone happy. I used the word insecurities there...the bullies are sometimes the one who get bullied. Likewise, can I say Madhu feels insecure and that is why wants to treat world's insecure souls ? Can I say she hides her personality and hurts more than Rishabh Kundra hides it ? Soundarya, can I go on this line of analysis for Madhu? Will I be offending anyone ? especially Madhu fans for whom she is impeccable and source of strength and security. You should not have started it...there's can of worms that be opened here and it might offend many.

Again...what I never understood is why Madhu chose to wear Dipali's saree. What was her motive and agenda ? What was she trying to achieve there ? What I also don't understand is why would she send bangles to Rishabh Kundra ? Aren't these two activities where it is quite customary to have a practical mind and not an ideal mind...because what possible crusade is attached to these activities except other than raising ego of the others. Could it be a case that in her idealistic crusading pursuits, Madhu stifled her feminine/venusian qualities and so has lost that essence of Shringara rasa and therefore...does not know what wearing ex-gf's saree means to a wife, what could shaving mean to man like Mukund, like what is the difference in amour with a man/husband is and devotion to husband is ...and that's why we cannot understand the conflicts she creates in female minds...that she cannot understand when it becomes flirtatious amour by people's perception, when it looks love etc...essentially like the archer of sagitarius, just developed crusading qualities...but again she was showing desire for her husband to confuse me there...

Now tell me who needs rescuing ? And now tell me who is more difficult and stubborn and who is more in denial of what she needs? And this is where we keep saying...Rishabh Kundra does not hurt Madhu by taking a dig at her self-esteem...though in extreme anger and honestly, he showed her the reality of her situation through limiting the situation just between himself and her and not attacking her whole character unlike Madhu who attacks Rishabh Kundra, Sultan and takes it upon herself and says you lack this and take it. Even Sultan has not made any attack on her and still keeping his limits and interests to himself. This why we keep saying, Madhu too needs to be receptive to others needs.

If people start looking at each other, all of us are flawed. All of us have our weaknesses and insecurities. Just that our weaknesses can never be our excuses for seeming to look wrong...and in the same token we cannot get judgmental in reckless manner...its easy for us to call RK as kameena...because he permits us to...Its not easy for us to say anything against Madhu as she does not allow us to say it and it suffocates us...this is just a human tendency to react to behavioral characteristics. It is appreciated if people are receptive. And a bit of sense of humour always balances people...both idealism and cynicism can be balanced. And in all of this we have CV's confusing weave that Madhu can transform into any shape...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#86
I have always wondered what makes Madhu so crazy and illogical as RK at times because as many people have said, she did not have rough childhood like he did. I thought about it, and I think it might stem from Balraj. Unlike Trishna, who may have had the same pagalpan in her, all of that craziness was effectively suppressed as a result of Balraj's treatment of her. Madhu had a normal and happy childhood, with a strong support system in the form of her Padmini, Roma, Malik, and Trishna, so that inherent pagalpan was never really suppressed, but rather dormant. It was also transformed into this righteousness kind of craziness. Then RK comes along and all of that pagalpan was unleashed. Madhu defied and all logic and reason, and fought an untouchable figure. In the beginning, I don't think it was just RK that was attracted to her, but Madhu was also attracted to him, albeit subconsciously. It is why she went into the studio that night and slapped him four times. So how could a simple girl like Madhu fall in love with a man like RK, who is the poster boy for the typical egotistical bad boy with a horrid past? It's his pagalpan. I think the same reasons that RK stated in that love confession (fake or otherwise) are the reasons why Madhu ultimately fell in love with him. Its because she found someone who was as crazy as she was. Now what happens when a pagal person like Madhu is betrayed by the person she loves the most? She becomes reckless, which is why I think she's been acting the way she does with Sultan. If you remember in that dream sequence RK had with Sultan and Madhu, the first thing he says to her in that are something along the lines of are you? You haven't hurt yourself have you? If Rk can move past his ego, it is possible that he could be the one to "tame" her. Until then, she will be on this self-destructive path.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87
After watching these last 2 epis, I now understand why CVs have withheld Malik from re-entering the show. With Malik around, Madhu would not be able to roam around freely helping the gangsters or even dare go back to work on RK's film set. Malik would have put his foot down and said nothing doing. He will probably come back when Madhu is done creating the mess with the gangsters and has very soundly put her family in danger.

A random thought - Is Madhu trying to "Pay It Forward", Malik and Roma's debt of gratitude to Padmini, Trishna and her.The way I see, it is her way of expressing her gratitude to Malik and Roma. I have no problem with this noble thought. What I have problem is the way she is going about it.

While Saving Padmini and 2 little girls, Roma and Malik did take risks and dealt with Ballu and his henchmen. They could have lost their own lives while doing this noble act. That act was viewed and lauded as humanitarian compassionate effort. Not only that, they welcomed the family in their own house. They did not have to do that. I think here Madhu is following in Malik's footsteps. We should not be surprised when she gives them shelter in the chawl. The only difference this time is that the reluctant receiver of her help/kindness is a powerful entitiy of his own who understandably is having trouble accepting Madhu's generosity unlike Padmini who really was besahara destitute aurat with kids in an unfamiliar surroundings and she truly appreciated Malik Roma's gesture of kindness.


Another random thought - Is this Madhu's desparate attempt to find meaning, a purpose to her life? After RK destroyed her self-worth, is her incessant need to feel good about herself or rather feel worthy of others making her behave rather foolishly, imprudently? I feel if not for Sultan, she definitely would have found someone else to save - if not human then maybe a stray puppy. Is she trying to say, all is not lost yet, I am still capable of showing love, compassion, kindness to others - I am not dead inside, I am still alive emotionally.

This is just my random nonsensical rambling. I myself is having trouble trying to believe what I am saying. 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi



Another random thought - Is this Madhu's desparate attempt to find meaning, a purpose to her life? After RK destroyed her self-worth, is her incessant need to feel good about herself or rather feel worthy of others making her behave rather foolishly, imprudently? I feel if not for Sultan, she definitely would have found someone else to save - if not human then maybe a stray puppy. Is she trying to say, all is not lost yet, I am still capable of showing love, compassion, kindness to others - I am not dead inside, I am still alive emotionally.

This is just my random nonsensical rambling. I myself is having trouble trying to believe what I am saying. 😊


Remember MM...that weekend, in response to RRR questions/discussiion at length on 10th March, in frustration I was explaining to all why Madhu needs to hinge herself to Aryan ? This is what I was explaining then. It has become her need, which she conveniently manipulates and shows to Sultan and Aryan as you need it ...not me. This is where all that angst comes from when I react. Now do you understand why I sound like that in pms or sometimes in the EDT. I sound harsh...don't I ? Actually I am not harsh, I just want to see things as they are.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

@blacklambo: He ventures out in the night after his mother scolds him and most importantly tells him that she is happy his father is no more to see the man he has become... When his mother, who has been his moral police tells him that he had gone over-board, he too feels bad about what he had done... Then he took the responsibility of bringing her back home...He has always allowed his mother to scold/reprimand him for any of his wrong-doing and he has always felt acted on her words...His mother has always been his moral police...

When he saves her, he tells her that she is a toy of his that he had purchased and that he can't see his toy getting damaged... That night when she was dozing off, he was looking at his father's pic and telling that he would not do anything that would bring shame to his name...

Mind you, Madhu softens upto him only when in his moment of weakness, he told about his father's death soon after his b'day... That was sort of turning point for Madhu, according to me... She lies to her mother later saying that RK is not to be blamed for her escapade late in the night for which RK scolds her for trying to show sympathy and pity...



Edit::
As for DIpzy thing that you were mentioning,the scene plays out like this... he tells this about the entire Bhatia gang... Yeh log RK ke zindagi ke screen par dikhte nahi... And he also indirectly tells her that kuch zakhm dhake hue hi acche hain...agar khulenge toh bhayanak roop prakat kar sakte hain... He indirectly tells her to stay shut... She understands and she stays shut...And after that she goes onto apologize for using those photographs..


I am not sure I follow your reply. I remember both the scenes mentioned. Fact remains that they both soften toward each other at some point and move forward in this relationship. I see RK as having taken the first step and Madhu does not fall behind in reciprocating.

Tying to what I said earlier, you can't make RK do what you want him to do. He only does what he wants to do. His mom might be his moral police, but he chose to go after Madhu because as you rightly state, he realized that he went over-board. In very recent times, he hires people to follow Madhu, gets slapped by his mom for doing this, agrees to apologize to Madhu but repeats to Bittuji in front of his mom to find out about Madhu's lover the night of his meeting with Sultan. This time his mom does not even utter a single word in disagreement.

In the second scene, while talking to her, RK also very tenderly brushes Madhu's hair aside. The start of these small and subtle gestures become the stepping stones of their relationship.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#90
SD - I wanted to open a can of worms😆. Saara zeher nikaalna chahti hoon🤣.

This serial is not for the faint hearted, one has to learn to swallow worms..🤣

As usual, I will be back later...
Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago

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