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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: _charu_


everybody's definition of love is different..one cannot plan to fall in love and when you start looking for reasons for falling in love with someone, that means it's only attraction/appreciation not love .. when the reasons change, your love for that person changes?? if RK was not that kind hearted, loving RK, Madhu cannot love RK right??..then why did she say she accepted him with all his shortcomings? the other day we had a long long discussion about Madhu's love in one of the topics on MF..it was worth reading..


i think she loved him and she still loves him...my point of concern was never sultan madhu "fictional" love story 😆 why can't sultan fall for madhu? anybody can fall for madhu ! but isn't she the one who's creating all this drama in her life, getting entangled into it and repent? (in Sultan's case, she said she will not repent..okay if she says so..)..she was the one who said she cannot back off in her war with RK , uski ma ne usko haar maanna nahi sikhaya, that's why she never left the job on RK's set, toh fine...more humiliation came her way...wasn't that expected? why blame RK alone? every action has a reaction..get ready for the reaction if you want action..holds true for both..😛

lol i think its NOW we r seeing the REAL RK, this is the DARK GREY RK who is filled with Poison and calls love as Aag Ka Dariya 😆...it reminds me of that dialog he said to Dipali when she tried to get close to him - "yahan zeher bhara hai, gala pakdogi toh tumhare upar girega" 😆😆
and yes RK told her she will repent and she replied THIS time she wont 😆...she has full confidence in her dheer, veer and balveer but maa ka sahara nahi hai as her mom herself doesnt know what her daughter is doing 😆
i have a question - what exactly is Madhu's aim in her so called war with RK? if she wants him to back off then RK already did that after knowing abt Sultan...
Edited by Nishi.Singh - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: ennishet


Thanks for the link, I remember reading that post and replying to it. I believe Madhu is lying about not being in love ... maybe in her quest for survival post revenge. She loves RK and will always love him. As to the daily humiliation she faced on the sets, was it needed after the manner in which RK extracted his revenge? Can't both work at the same place and avoid each other?


i can't answer that one 😆 acc. to Radha, unke dil mein zehar hai and both are pouring it on each other..Madhu ke dil ka zehar samajh aata hai but RK ke dil mein kya hai ? his zehar never turns out of stock 🤢😆 yes, it was imp. for Madhu to give it back to RK with interest 👍🏼 she's doing it..why are we cribbing when writers are bringing poetic justice to each of the flawed characters ? like u said, chill and enjoy the show..☯️
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Posted: 12 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: blacklambo

Maybe Madhu triggered a chain of events but who allowed her to bring the Ganesha in the RK Mansion? Why did RK step aside when the Ganesha idol was being brought inside the house. He intercepted her and tried to put an end but ultimately stepped aside. Why?
You can take a horse to the water but can't make it drink. If RK does not want to be changed, can Madhu or anyone change him? Knowing his personality, NO, NO & NO.


you're bang on yaar..👏 knowing his personality, yes yes yes...that's Rishabh Kundra for you 😆...He is and was a believer in God, he loved his mother , then and now..Madhu initiated that change in him ..she ONLY restored his belief in God and his love in his mother... she healed him, he let her heal her..he didn't regret it, acc. to him, he gave it back to Madhu with interest..dun tell me Madhu didn't feel indebted to him 😆 till the last minute, she was doing RK gungaan n said main zindagi bhar tumhare ehsaan nahi utar sakti and touched his feet..it was pure give and take..
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: _charu_

i can't answer that one 😆 acc. to Radha, unke dil mein zehar hai and both are pouring it on each other..Madhu ke dil ka zehar samajh aata hai but RK ke dil mein kya hai ? his zehar never turns out of stock 🤢😆 yes, it was imp. for Madhu to give it back to RK with interest 👍🏼 she's doing it..why are we cribbing when writers are bringing poetic justice to each of the flawed characters ? like u said, chill and enjoy the show..☯️



Let's send them off for detox ... then we can have some peace in MBland. As to cribbing, just trying to understand what others feel and giving back my opinion. Not fighting, don't worry 😆
I started off being a VD fan and that's what brought me to this show, now love both, so am a true Rishbala fan ... but don't agree with everything people say about RK-Madhu.
There are just three safe threads in the forum where I speak without fear, this is one of them. You're right, better to chill and enjoy the show. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ennishet

now love both, so am a true Rishbala fan ... but don't agree with everything people say about RK-Madhu. There are just three safe threads in the forum where I speak without fear, this is one of them. You're right, better to chill and enjoy the show. 😊


@ennishet
Agree with all the posts that you made on the META discussion...
I am a true Rishbala fan..
I like both RK and Madhu... I don't question their TRAITS but question some of THEIR
decisions individually..
So will have to wait and see if they think their love is worth fighting for...
At the end of the day that is what counts for me..


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Posted: 12 years ago
#76

Ok, i can see that the chill out zone has started. And here I am all ready to begin my kahani ... I will understand if noone replies to my post.😆

When I used to watch BV, I hoped, that at some point Anandi gets into trouble, at some point, someone's else viewpoint is proved to be right, and she is proved to be wrong. It never ever happened. Every situation was rounded off with her lecture and the peripheral characters looking shamefaced. I got a bit tired honestly.

Why I like madhu (and i hate it that I am having to defend any of these two because I love both characters), is because she is a grey character. Grey does not necessarily always mean the space between good and evil. It is a weakness in character, some kink in one's personality, so it may be stupidity (i dislike this word though😡), naivety, self righteousness, altruism anything. Any characteristic that develops lopsided at the cost of others is bound to emanate negativity, after a point.

My point is ...SO what if she makes a mistake, and thus faces consequences?? Why does the surrounding junta have to suffer because of her, you would ask me? because they love her, and accept her with all her faults/weaknesses. That is normal, right, in a family? But what kind of family, she has had a father who wanted to kill her. Isn't that enough to traumatise people for life, to always have esteem issues? I know a friend who happened to overhear her parents say she was a 'mistake', they had'nt planned for her. Till date, she says it when she's low...oh what's the point, even my parents did'nt want me. Bit much, I know, we yell at her😆

if you analyse Madhu even a little, she has this overriding need to feel good about herself. We forget everything else because of her beauty and her good naturedness. Where does this recklessness come from, why is it even there, if she has had a secure life, she has had a comfortable life emotionally unlike RK? Almost like a self fulfilling prophecy, the men in her life keep dropping her...her father wanted to kill her, Mukund ditched her, RK dumped her...all this because she is too good to be true?? And they got subconsciously irritated with her goodness or her Good Samaritan act? ? The manifestations of these complexes are different in a male and female.

So all I'm saying is every character in this serial, has its justifications...internal or extraneous. The inter-play of these is what we find interesting. madhu also ...she drives the drama with her decisions, right or wrong...is that called stupid? That's called powerful, I would think which is why she has an equally powerful lover called RK. She has to live with the consequences of her decisions and with RK😉, and she will😊

BTW, what do people around her do? Tying up with the recent drama, why does Kaka have to come to her chawl to drop Aryan...he knows Sultan would never brook any outsider's interference?? Aryan could have had his training, looking for his father along with kaka? It will only make him stronger. ...😆

Ok...I went on and on...I hope I did'nt babble too much. i still have more to say...later. And i am not going add a disclaimer...mere dil ko pata hai ki mein RK-Madhu, dono ki fan hoon😆.

Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#77

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

I was mulling over quite a few things...

Why Madhu loves/d RK is a million dollar question that has been plaguing our minds since Oct/Nov... And we still don't know... But keeping the current scenario in mind, and also the fact that Madhu is a dariyadil (Compassionate /large-hearted), am now forced to raise the question yet again as to why she loves/d him...

Did this love stem out of sympathy? Was he just a cause for her? What was it about him that made her revere him?

I think RK himself changed the equation / relationship status that prompted Madhu to fall in love. Why did he go looking for her in a stormy night, especially after he humiliated her at the party? That night alone he saves her 3 times – from falling & dying in the water (she fights him and would rather not take his help), from falling & hurting when she faints (withdraws from him the moment she regains consciousness), and yet again from falling into the fire (withdraws from him again when she wakes up in the morning).

From then on, he seeks her out in the next episode when she is talking to Radhaji and wanting to know about his relationship with Dipali. He brings her to his / their room and asks her to question him directly about Dipali. Now, why does he want to divulge the details of his past relationship to Madhu if it is not to make her understand?

These subtle changes and many more that follow become positive for their relationship. He changes from an abuser (?) to a protector.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soundarya22

But what kind of family, she has had a father who wanted to kill her. Isn't that enough to traumatise people for life, to always have esteem issues? I know a friend who happened to overhear her parents say she was a 'mistake', they had'nt planned for her. Till date, she says it when she's low...oh what's the point, even my parents did'nt want me. Bit much, I know, we yell at her😆

if you analyse Madhu even a little, she has this overriding need to feel good about herself. We forget everything else because of her beauty and her good naturedness. Where does this recklessness come from, why is it even there, if she has had a secure life, she has had a comfortable life emotionally unlike RK? Almost like a self fulfilling prophecy, the men in her life keep dropping her...her father wanted to kill her, Mukund ditched her, RK dumped her...all this because she is too good to be true??


Soundarya

The above quoted from your post...👏
Those were exactly the discussions on Friday and saturday with a couple of
my friends in chat.
Agree with everything that you said..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sounds,

Read it. Since you are my buddy, I am responding to you in this manner...and also don't want to do it via pm mode for reasons...like for the first time someone tried to analyse why one is driven to be ideal.

Re: Ideal , Self-righteous, and issues with Self-Esteem.
Overriding need to feel good about oneself. My mommy is an example of that. She is sagitarian. Its a stoic and inspiring picture when young and in middle age but definitely not a rosy picture as one grows old. Is bringing personal topics forbidden here...may be...but like as I told you and others...my parents are my inspiration and I am still proud of them inspite of their flaws, because it is a family. But definitely have learnt through Mom...there are times, we can be withdrawing, there are times we can be diplomatic and there are times we stand up and give a Martian fight. Learned it all through her...nevertheless...the uphill tasks she exerted on her soul have broken her more than she can bear and yet she forces herself to live on optimism everyday. There comes a time...where the children cross the line of being afraid for mom and then at times...let her do whatever she wants to do. One thing is for sure...people like her make the world a better place to live in, but also sometimes we recognize the fact that letting it go...having a bad end would have been the righteous decision. Never die spirit is good only in war times, not good in Peace times. That thin line of when it is a war(MUST) and when it is peace (EASY), needs to be understood. The underlying feeling that grows upon the family is...can we have an end to these dramas.


Re Anandi
I said the same thing in my response to your Darcy Appeal post.

Re people like Kaaka flocking at the door.
That's why I was saying 227 EDT that Sultan should flog himself 50 times for putting himself in jeopardy and having trusted his son and himself to a useless Kaaka. Old man's hands shaking...what was his age ? Over 70 ? How come Sultan leaves the old man and the kid totally Unsecured.
What would my mommy have done...she would try to help...but she would never venture out alone...she will need her entire family as her confidante. See, that's why despite many of mom's indulgences, we trust her because, she will inform everyone on what she plans to do...and if she keeps execution plans as secret sometimes, eventually she ends up needing us 😆 😆

Re RK and Madhu equation
Often me and Zoya discuss this. Preet likes them so much. Zoya too likes them. I am indifferent to their equation...Bana toh theek, nahin bana toh koi baat nahin.

But if does happen, I see the couple as celebrity couple with driven NGO interests. They both work synergetically if they have altrusitic goals. RK plans and makes Madhu the executor of it. And as Madhu executes, if she has some problem, it gets escalated to RK for fixing the issue. So its a good team. You know whenever I see the two in this synergetic state for altruistic reasons, whom do I see...I see the Ranjans ...Shashi Ranjan and Anu Ranjan duo. I like that couple.

For sure, if Madhu is going to be single in her efforts, she will have a toll on herself and her family. She needs a partner like RK who can make her feel light & useful and take away her pychotic stress ...if we go by your explanation of her needs.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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@blacklambo: He ventures out in the night after his mother scolds him and most importantly tells him that she is happy his father is no more to see the man he has become... When his mother, who has been his moral police tells him that he had gone over-board, he too feels bad about what he had done... Then he took the responsibility of bringing her back home...He has always allowed his mother to scold/reprimand him for any of his wrong-doing and he has always felt acted on her words...His mother has always been his moral police...
When he saves her, he tells her that she is a toy of his that he had purchased and that he can't see his toy getting damaged... That night when she was dozing off, he was looking at his father's pic and telling that he would not do anything that would bring shame to his name...

Mind you, Madhu softens upto him only when in his moment of weakness, he told about his father's death soon after his b'day... That was sort of turning point for Madhu, according to me... She lies to her mother later saying that RK is not to be blamed for her escapade late in the night for which RK scolds her for trying to show sympathy and pity...



Edit::
As for DIpzy thing that you were mentioning,the scene plays out like this... he tells this about the entire Bhatia gang... Yeh log RK ke zindagi ke screen par dikhte nahi... And he also indirectly tells her that kuch zakhm dhake hue hi acche hain...agar khulenge toh bhayanak roop prakat kar sakte hain... He indirectly tells her to stay shut... She understands and she stays shut...And after that she goes onto apologize for using those photographs..
Edited by zoya_naziya - 12 years ago

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