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Originally posted by: Ananya05

Nobody is questioning Madhu's love. We are just trying to figure out her reasons for loving RK. If whatever she did for RK, she can do for Sultan as well or for any other person, what really made her fall for RK? What made RK so special for her?

If she can go out of her way to help any random person, then I would say RK was never wrong with his insecurities or with his disbelief in love or in throwing a love test at her, even though it was a part of his revenge plan. Doesn't that make the whole show pointless? What really is the guarantee that she will not fall for Sultan, after hearing his sob story? Aryan has already made his place in her heart.

Originally posted by: ennishet

I might be wrong about this ... but let me share what I feel.

Marriage isn't something which you agree to for a short time and break off at the first hint of trouble ... Madhu and RK's wasn't the usual affair as RK forced her into this farce as she desperately needed money to save Malik. While the marriage wasn't real from RK's viewpoint, it was real for Madhu and is real ... didn't she say the same thing the very next of her wedding when Padmini asked her to flee the golden cage?

In India, we still have the system of arranged marriages and people fall in love with their spouses post-marriage. Is the care, concern and fear for your spouse's well-being, love? IMO, Madhu still thinks she's married to RK and still loves him. She fell in love with her husband and cannot feel the same for some stranger who happens to meet her and shares his sob story or need or just 'coz she adores the stranger's kid. I wish I was able to express myself better ... feeling helpless as I can't put into words my actual thoughts.

I believe, even if they file for a divorce and separate ( which I doubt will happen), Madhu's feelings won't ever change.

Originally posted by: Ananya05

@ennishet:

As a girl/woman who has known what love is, I completely understand what you are saying and I agree to it.

What bothers me as a viewer is the same pattern that they are showing for Sultan's story as well. Him getting shot, Madhu nursing him, hearing to his sad past, all of this gives so much a sense of deja vu. What I wrote in my previous post was coming from a disgruntled Rishbala fan in me.

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

So my feeling is that if Madhu learns to be empathetic rather than sympathetic and it probably would serve her well in the long run?

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

What is it that appeals us about Rishabh Kundra ?

What appeals to me is that he easily saunters in between ideal vs realistic vs morbid states, which then appears to me a a wholesome package of a human being. Actually all characters show this trait in MEIEJ. Then, why is that ONLY Rishabh Kundra strikes a good chemistry with all ?

Its because, he perceives the pain of the other and starts to administer it. We like him as the doctor...A doctor helps us through our pain and never gets connected to us emotionally and that is what we like about him. There is cordiality, advice and he leaves us alone with medicine for us to get cured of our ailments (morbid afflictions). If people refuse to get treated, fail to take the medicine, he forces to the extent that people survive and when he gets the hint that they survived, he leaves them alone to recuperate and never come back to ask them...which removes the piteous care-taking quality bestowing self-judgement of the situation on the afflicted people themselves.

The most altruistic of his actions are:

The passively narrated information that he does contribute to Film associations for the benefit of people working in the industry. Him taking care of his mother and her family. Him taking care of Bittuji (if Bittuji had not felt the empathy, there was no need for him to work for a morbid boss).
• Him taking care of Madhu's family dichotomies...whatever he ridiculed about, he actually is pained about and hence later devices means to correct them...like getting Shamsher and Padmini married, like getting the imported machines for Shamsher's faster recovery...thing is...it is not just for Shamsher...think about it...those machines now become permanent assets to the hospital for use over others, plus they get him tax benefits as well...a charitable work, but well thought of and not rubbing on anyone about how it may enhance his good image. The way he went ahead to support Trishna's Heroine dreams is also good in the sense that kind of healed Trishna's insecurity that no one thinks about her and dreams.

Without overly glorifying him through writing the above and recognizing the revenge action from, acknowledging the fact that I like him because he calls himself a kameena, I see that he is always to be found on other side of "Dariya".. A dariya is a stream of water. A waterbody. What Rishabh Kundra does is that is always on the other side of that flowing stream and also for the most part, he is also going against the currents of the same flow.

When people overly idealize anything, he is the one to mock at it. When people overly criticize anything, he is the one to support it. Again without going to what he did to Madhu, I would like to see vis-a-vis his growing up with his mother. His idealism broke when he was young and at the same time, he understands why his mother did what she did, though he was unable to accept it. This makes him mocker of the ideal/perfect world that his mother tries to create around him and at the same time, upholds it by providing means to her, to maintain it. Somewhere he creates a balance for both of them...controlling his cynicism and curbing romanticism.

The support he provided to Shamsher and Madhu when Shamsher attacked, becomes an ideal example, but ofcourse I need to scrap it as it is tainted with his revenge drama.

Rishabh Kundra is a person who would like the person as he is and if he sees the person honest enough and passionate in emotion, he gives credence to them no matter how their actions are judged by the world around him. He ignores people as nothing, if they do not inspire him in any manner. And in the same token, he would like a person to love him for what he is, as he is...without him having to change all his elemental qualities.

Originally posted by: Nishi.Singh

i m still not able to understand his inside pain and those words he said before departing to Radha ji - "lagta hai bhagwaan ne RK ko duniya mein isi liye bheja ki jaise hi wo aaye, usko duniya bhar saare dard de do"...something like this he said...can u throw a light on this Shri?

Originally posted by: ennishet

As to people raising questions on Madhu's love for RK, I wish to know what is love?

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Nishi,

At this point of the story, that was the one of the last dialogue uttered by Rishabh Kundra. And after he left Bittuji asked Radhaji on what happened to Chief and why all those incoherent dialogues...then Radhaji explains...that he is hurt ...as in both Madhu and RK are in hurt state where they are taking each other's poison out.

Then if we drill down a bit...on why Rishabh Kundra was in this disturbed state of mind that his dialogues were NOT BANG-ON, but were confused and incoherent... [Honestly, I couldn't even understand what he said. My response was like Bittuji...🤔] it clearly stemmed from the information he received in the Studio...when Madhu told him about Sultan and how she knows him.

I will have to provide a link for you to read...as that is how I can understand him...because this guy never blurts out his inner feelings,...but in his breaking state, he showed his inner feelings...about him surrounded in pain. This was what upset him...the parting words from Madhu that others are not sadist like him and that dawning realisation for Rishabh Kundra hit him...

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/78795860

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You know when Madhu said Insecurities yesterday, for some time, I was thinking...why did she say that...Then I realized ...Him against Sultan. In his dream...he was concerned for Madhu. He runs after her asking is she okay. And when she doesn't answer and sees her drawn to the two-eyed man, he senses danger and puts himself in between...the man draws a dagger and tries to go for kiling him. So basically RK imagined Madhu to be in danger, the two-eyed man to be a bad man and him getting killed if tried to go in between them. But later when Madhu tells him that he is Sultan and she protected his kid and nothing is going in between them...RK just recollects his drunken state of previous night and remembers the Sultan...connects the two...He is crestfallen, shame-faced that he suspected that man to be a bad man...that he shall not stop to kill him...Infact the opposite happened...the man saved him. His insecurity was if Madhu was in danger...but nope she was saving someone...and in turn that person was saving him...and in all of their ALTRUISTIC gestures, HE himself looked the only SOUL who needed to be saved. How bad was that for him...a REALITY hit hard...He was supposed to be inflicting pain on all and enjoy watching others in pain...and yet he was saved and his Madhu had emerged the stronger of the two, who he thought needed to be concerned about. And what was he insecure about...losing his right over Madhu...his right to hurt her, no one else can hurt her...BUT now what is the reality...She is not his Madhu...He lost that right and moreover...who would want to hurt her except him...so why was he getting so insecure about...It was pathetic situation for himself...and it was PATHOS all over with that realization that ...even his insecurity was about losing his right as a sadist.

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He is the perceived sadist to Madhu and it is true too...He likes to hurt her. Question is why does he want to hurt her ? Which again hurts him only. Boomerang...Ricochet...and Why did he banish the woman he loves so much, who meant happiness to him, why did he deny himself the happiness...hence his complaint to God for the way he created him...

I would advise you not to take it as final or anything...but I tried to be logical through the developement of the scene/his state of mind since he dreamt about the two eyed man. But we should keep all of this context in our mind, because, once Rishabh Kundra comes back strong [IF I can hope for that !!!], we will never know why he uttered that dialogue.

Originally posted by: Ananya05

An individual's relationship with their God is a very personal one according to me and no one should interfere in it, may be not even your spouse, especially when the belief in God has been shaken due to some past experiences. To me, the scene in which Rishabh Kundra pours his agony out in front of Ganesha in the 5th October 2012 episode, is one of the most endearing ones in MEIEJ. But who triggered all of it? Madhu, by bringing Ganesha in RK mansion.

I was born and brought up in a deeply religious, joint family. But my uncle and cousin are agnostic. Never once has any of the family member tried to impose any of their beliefs on them. Relationship with God should best be handled by the person himself.

Originally posted by: _charu_

the other day we had a long long discussion about Madhu's love in one of the topics on MF..it was worth reading..

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3486573/does-madhu-know-who-she-fell-in-love-with

i think she loved him and she still loves him...she was the one who said she cannot back off in her war with RK , uski ma ne usko haar maanna nahi sikhaya, that's why she never left the job on RK's set, toh fine...more humiliation came her way...wasn't that expected? why blame RK alone? every action has a reaction..get ready for the reaction if you want action..holds true for both..😛