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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


Remember MM...that weekend, in response to RRR questions/discussiion at length on 10th March, in frustration I was explaining to all why Madhu needs to hinge herself to Aryan ? This is what I was explaining then. It has become her need, which she conveniently manipulates and shows to Sultan and Aryan as you need it ...not me. This is where all that angst comes from when I react. Now do you understand why I sound like that in pms or sometimes in the EDT. I sound harsh...don't I ? Actually I am not harsh, I just want to see things as they are.


Also why is that Madhu relentlessly lectures Sultan and tries to look out for Aryan!?However frustrating, senseless and illogical its appearing to us right now, I can't shake off this nagging feeling at the back of mind, that she is out to prove something! Whether its to herself, to the world in general or in a twisted manner to RK himself, is what I am not able to figure out! What possibly could she think would be the outcome of her tangle with Sultan, even if its for Aryan's sake? She does not seem to want to back off at all, as if though her succeeding in bringing about a change in someone like Sultan, would somehow reassure her that she was right and maybe there is still hope for RK even! Infact if she used even half the energy she is using on this fight with Sultan to confront RK on what he actually did to her on the unweddinng drama, they both would make much headway! Its a fact, that only once has Madhu mentioned to RK what he did that day and otherwise they keep beating about the bush with these irritating squabbles, instead of facing what happened, head on! Mind you, I see why she doesn't confront him on it, it means letting him know that she still cares and is affected! Without letting on that, there's no way to face the issue, which also means maybe she wants to get back with him, thts why the confrontation! This is the reason why she shuts down when Trishna questions her in the same vein and asks RK to never ask her those questions, on the drunken night! Meaning that to distract herself from her utmost need to make RK see sense, she has taken up this project of Aryan and Sultan! I think she has not fully comprehended what she is setting herself up for, in her desperate need to get away from the inner turmoil RK has caused and her helplessness in not being able to do anything for herself and RK, because of the hurdles of her self respect and RK's arrogance and ego!



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Posted: 12 years ago
#92

Am not replying to each post, but just a few things i wanted to say:

  • Madhu is quite secure in her family's love, her family being paddy, Shamsher, Trishna, Roma. She has received unlimited love and attention from them, in compensation for the fact that her biological father wanted to kill her. This insecurity that i'm trying to see is her own monkey in her head, which is not because she feels disconnected from her family. like i said, these childhood complexes are uncontrollable and have a life of their own. It happens to me...when my sons fight and I try to solve the fight, sometimes one of them walks off saying, you always shout at me, you don't love me!! And I'm left staring, wondering when did I indicate any preference, did I by mistake say something?? So Madhu has heard legendary stories of how Shamsher rescued her, but the point to be noted for a child could be, why did my father not want me??
  • About insecurities, I have always felt that madhu hides her insecurities very well. She may be a crusader, opinionated, open book kind of person. But she has always been expected to behave, to toe the line, because Trishna has always been the one who did'nt study, had giddy headed ambitions, threw tantrums to get her way. Madhu has been the 'good girl' at home, helping her mom with finances, housework. She is prettier than Trishna, dances better, but never harboured any actress ambitions. When Trishna was angry at any situation in her life, she always took it out on Madhu, saying people loved her more, Madhu does not want her to succeed (remember the face pack?)
  • Ego...yes she is egoistic as well. She always thinks she is on a moral high ground, but almost always miscalculates the height😆. The saree incident...there was no reason to it, except that RK ordered her to remove it. She chaffed against that peremptory order. At that point, maybe she really did'nt care if she was wearing his ex GF's saree, did'nt care if she was hurting him, she wanted him to change his tone. Does that sound extremely negative? It does and it is.

For me, she is not a paragon of virtue, by no means. But it makes her seem real, a young girl who is brash, under exposed, impulsive, and makes mistakes. Will she ever learn from her mistakes...that is the story...her story. I don't want her to become sati savitri kind of heroine, doing the right thing, making the right decisions for her family. Do i sound shocking😲? I apologise. ..🤢

While I thought I did'nt want to include RK in these thoughts of mine, by default RK is the only one who has also understood all the above about her. That's why he was able to execute his revenge drama so completely. Having said that, he is also the only person who can ultimately make her see herself for what she is, like she can do the same to him.

Now they know the worst of each other...is there hope for them from this point? To figure that out, we will have to continue watching the serial ...😆

Ok, I want to add...from this point on, I am done with writing on this topic. I wanted to start a debate, which i did. I don't want to get into this side taking, i don't want to sound corny and say i love Rishbala😆, I want to stop reacting and enjoy the MBEIEJ drama, however idiotic. There should be some use of me being one of the older ones in this group right?? Older and wiser and all that jazz. 😆

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Posted: 12 years ago
#93

  • About insecurities, I have always felt that madhu hides her insecurities very well. She may be a crusader, opinionated, open book kind of person. But she has always been expected to behave, to toe the line, because Trishna has always been the one who did'nt study, had giddy headed ambitions, threw tantrums to get her way. Madhu has been the 'good girl' at home, helping her mom with finances, housework. She is prettier than Trishna, dances better, but never harboured any actress ambitions. When Trishna was angry at any situation in her life, she always took it out on Madhu, saying people loved her more, Madhu does not want her to succeed (remember the face pack?)
  • /QUOTE]


Soundarya
Agree with everything that you said.👏
The line at bold.. very true of her... Something she might have done out of
her caring nature...and everyone else has taken that and put her on that pedestal
and expect her to behave that way... That is indeed a lot of pressure...
And she tries constantly to keep measuring up to that...
It is wrong but that is the case, nevertheless..


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Posted: 12 years ago
#94
I like reading this thread, is it the Meta chai party one, renamed recently? Can this be made a sticky?
Appreciate the initiative to create a space for serious discussion, amidst the mayhem. Keep up the good work guys!

There are few things I've been pondering over about this show and will post later.



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Posted: 12 years ago
#95
Very nicely put Soundarya about your last post on Madhu.

To me there is no Rishbala or Sulbala or even AryanBala. There is only Madhubala. The flawed character who got her heart broken, life shattered and who now is trying to piece it back together. How she is going about it (i.e. with gangsters, working on RK's set) is immaterial. What matters is she is trying to move on. There is no logic applicable when one is trying to stitch one's heart together by whatever means. That is how I see her. Now I have no problem with who she meets, what rash/sensible decisions she takes. I just want to see her move on. If RK and Madhu are to go their separate ways, then so be it. If they are destined to meet in the future, I will be there to witness it. The way I look at it, these various people who are coming in her life (RK, Sultan, Aryan) are leaving some mark on it, shaping her life. If she learns from it, we get to see a mature Madhu. If not, she may repeat some of her mistakes (we all do. We don't necessarily learn from our mistakes however trivial or fatal), she will suffer setbacks but she has that spirit to pick herself up and make at effort to move on. Neither RK, nor Sultan, nor Padmini or anyone else has any power to either control her or change her. She is the only who will do that if she so chooses.

I feel I am making my peace with Madhubala at this point. Rather than getting frustrated at her choices, breaking my head over it I think I should just support her in her journey.

Well that does not mean, tomorrow if something atrocious is shown, I won't jump in and bash her if necessary. All I am saying is this overall is now my feeling about her.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

Very nicely put Soundarya about your last post on Madhu.

To me there is no Rishbala or Sulbala or even AryanBala. There is only Madhubala. The flawed character who got her heart broken, life shattered and who now is trying to piece it back together. How she is going about it (i.e. with gangsters, working on RK's set) is immaterial. What matters is she is trying to move on. There is no logic applicable when one is trying to stitch one's heart together by whatever means. That is how I see her. Now I have no problem with who she meets, what rash/sensible decisions she takes. I just want to see her move on. If RK and Madhu are to go their separate ways, then so be it. If they are destined to meet in the future, I will be there to witness it. The way I look at it, these various people who are coming in her life (RK, Sultan, Aryan) are leaving some mark on it, shaping her life. If she learns from it, we get to see a mature Madhu. If not, she may repeat some of her mistakes (we all do. We don't necessarily learn from our mistakes however trivial or fatal), she will suffer setbacks but she has that spirit to pick herself up and make at effort to move on. Neither RK, nor Sultan, nor Padmini or anyone else has any power to either control her or change her. She is the only who will do that if she so chooses.


MM,

Exactly!
I feel the same!


@bold - I agree with you.
Edited by zorica - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#97
What is it with RK post separation?
I mean, he throws Madhu out of the house and wakes up in the morning saying, "she left" not "damn, I drove her away" and again in his drunken state he asks her, how can she leave him? I'm not a shrink, but guess there is some disorder he can be diagnosed with.
P.S Wanted to post this her but did it as a new thread, how do i delete that one?Can someone tell me?Thanks.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#98
Watched last night's episode again.

This time I was thinking about the precap. Even after seeing Sultan kill people so causally in front of her today she wants to help him. The last time, in the jungle, I thought in the rush to save Aryan she didn't see the man, not injuring, but killing or that maybe the hit on the head made it all fuzzy which is why I gave her the benefit of doubt. Can't do that anymore. This, I believe, is what gives Sultan reason to think that Madhu is attracted to him, infatuated with him, maybe loves him.

I wondered what it would take for Madhu to understand the dangers, to realize that she is making a mistake. Killing people in front of her, as if it is a well indulged-in hobby, did not do anything. I came to the conclusion that it has to come from her family. That is the only thing which matters to her right now, other than Aryan. This led me to an earlier episode. The 16th March episode.

Remember Radhaji slapped RK for raising questions on Madhu's integrity? That night Madhu told Padmini and I quote -- "Tujhe kabhi afsos nahin hoga ke tune mujhe janam diya hai. Aaj ek maa ko sharminda hote huyai dekh kar aayi hoon .. aur us halat main main tujhe kabhi nahin dekh sakti."

So, is that what it will take? For Padmini to be pushed so far that she will say that she regrets having given birth to Madhu? Will Padmini have to say that she wishes that she had let Balraj kill Madhu?

I know if Padmini says this, she will not mean them. It will be in a moment of anger and frustration because I don't think that Padmini will ever actually feel that way. But will such a statement from Padmini, or maybe even Malik, be what it takes?
Edited by Angeena - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#99
@ Angeena, you know even I find it very mentally disturbing that in addition to all the craziness she has been upto protect Sultan/Aryan, now she has pointed a gun at his rival! What makes her excuse Sultan and be so oblivious to his murderous instinct, to the extent that she forgets herself and now is welding a gun in his defense!Madhu is prone to craziness, as seen with RK too, but that can be explained away as passion that's equally strong from both ends! But this, I did not want to get into it, at first bcoz I thought, let the episode be done with! Since you asked, I am venturing into it!

My take on Madhu's nonchalance to violence, not just now, even during the Balraj track can only be traced back to her lineage! She has the blood and genes of Balraj Chaudhary, a murderer with no qualms at all! Her DNA and the violence she was subjected to when in her mother's womb, followed up with the stories of violence of her father narrated by her mother, might have had this effect on her! Thats the only logical explanation for her abnormal reaction to violence! But I have to agree with you this unbelievable defense of Sultan, from her end, might give him the wrong signal, that he's in someway important to her and I wouldn't blame the guy for thinking like that! But what it might entail for Rishbala is the problem at hand!

Now as to what might get her to realize the danger of her association with Sultan! I think she will realize that folly of hers only when RK is threatened by Sultan! I don't think Paddo's words alone can ever snap her out of this dangerous game she has involved herself in bcoz of Aryan! For her it has to be about RK's life against Aryan, to know that she has made a grave mistake! Sultan is a man of his word and has certain principles, as seen when he left RK safely home! But for him Aryan will always come first and foremost, and if in any way his happiness is even threatened, I think Sultan wouldn't think twice before snapping RK's neck either, especially if he stands in the way of Aryan and Madhu's bond, that we see Sultan has accepted now! That in a way will make RK's premonition or nightmare come true too!

Edited by amrithas - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

What is it with RK post separation?

I mean, he throws Madhu out of the house and wakes up in the morning saying, "she left" not "damn, I drove her away" and again in his drunken state he asks her, how can she leave him? I'm not a shrink, but guess there is some disorder he can be diagnosed with.
P.S Wanted to post this her but did it as a new thread, how do i delete that one?Can someone tell me?Thanks.


well..only guesses in this matter..it's how you perceive it..the way I do is that he wanted HER to know him better than this (perhaps he didn't realize that she DOES) .i'll be sounding like a fool if i say this but RK was not serious about that revenge thing 😆 acc. to him, he can do any kameenapanti but SHE loves him so she has to keep loving him and understand that he was being an idiot.

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