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gp00

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Posted: 14 years ago

I've seen a couple of posts on Dutta's treatment of Naku...the "manhandling", the verbal abuse, etc. It raises an interesting issue...a controversial one, and unfortunately, a very real one. I'd like to take this time to address this aspect of the show and then the greater ramifications. The one thing I ask you is to put aside your love for the show and objectively look at this issue, and of course, respond with whatever you think!😃

At the most simplistic level, look, at the end of the day, Naku, tea tray in hand, is not running away for cover, is she? In Naku's mind, it's all worth it. "He really doesn't mean it", "he has a good heart" . She still has her "I can change him, help him see the light, make him a better person, I love him" T-Shirt on. She's going to fight for him, and save his soul! 😉😆

Now if this wasn't a Dutta and Naku story and I wasn't aware of the background, the bad turns, the betrayals, the bad luck....I would say: What is wrong with this girl? The first man who treats her nicely, the first man whom she's exposed to on a consistent level (aside from her dad Ganpat) and WHAM!, she's in love with him and willing to suffer through anything and everything. I ASK YOU honestly and sincerely--is this not true on some level??? Think through Naku's past--Dutta was the first to not "look" at her and judge her for her looks, but rather asked her for her thoughts and enjoyed her company.

I'm being trite here....but there is a very serious undertone too to Dutta and Naku's relationship....which we sometimes overlook in our "love" for the show and "whatever it does, it's great, so meaningful, so deep" attitude towards the show.

One of the things I DESPISE about Indian TV serials, is this dependence on women suffering and being stupid to show how great they are or how devoted they are to their loves, family, family pet...and unfortunately, LTL is no different. You can wrap up the story and package it differently, put some soot on Naku, make Dutta an angry young man dumped by girls in his past, and say wah! What a love story! What a human story! Deserves an AWARD! (Which by the way, from a writing and development perspective, it does).

But some of the things they show are UNSETTLING for me. I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but I have to raise it, roughly a year after this show started. Here you have an illiterate girl, "naive", helpless, tough life (TYPICAL STEREOTYPE), who is as loyal as a dog. Bear with me....and make no mistake about it, she is as loyal as one. Follows Dutta around no matter what...he could kick her and yet it would be okay. Ignore her, no problem. She's used to it because of her life. She accepts it. She's a sherni too because once in a while she says her opinion. Wah! I guess we ladies are all shernis. And yet, when we see her, we talk about how much she loves him....how much she understands him....and I'm thinking "are we for real?" This is NOT OKAY to show on TV. This is a LOVE STORY that we like? That because of her suffering so grandly, that she is somehow mahaan...more worthy of Dutta...that her love is more true. Or that this story is so much better than the other love stories, because the characters suffer so?

Feminist or not, it doesn't matter. I've got a big problem with these serials showing women like this...and continuously doing so during the life of the show. I am no big fan of Naku because I cannot understand her, I understand Dutta's character, I get the "point"....but, on some level, I don't like how LTL continues to show this nonsense. LTL is playing right into the vicious circle these serials thrive on--making the older female viewer base feel good about suffering and making it a personal virtue, as our culture always has done. And also, making it a "dramatic love story" a la Romeo & Juliet.

I think some of you may think I don't get the story. I'm too negative about it. You may also think that that's really not what it's about...it's about 2 human beings, the tough lives they've had, and their finding each other in life. How they are soul mates. How they are strengthening each other. And I'm just thinking how much credit we give to this story when suffering is such a big feature of it all. A year after it started! LTL should be past this point in its storytelling...

And then you have Kala--there's a reason she is made the witch, and not just because she is evil. She actually doesn't grovel at a man's feet, or try to "save" him...just as Naku is the "typical" good girl, Kala is the typical "bad" girl. These female characters are both CARICATURES on TV, I'm sorry to say. Let me ask you, why couldn't they show Kala hating Dutta because of DP, yet an okay person otherwise?

I always wondered why LTL couldn't be about a woman Don who hates men because of her past experiences. How angry she was with people, how she couldn't trust them...would she be portrayed and seen as sympathetically as Dutta?

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lizdarcy

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Posted: 14 years ago

Wow. Niice one there! Again, i'm not sure i completely understood everything you were trying to say. I'll tell you what i think.

Naku's mahan. Agreed. She's also illiterate, gullible/dumb, superstitious and her complete lack of ego awes me at times! She will love D no matter what he does. Her love for him is as unconditional as that of a mother for her child. That's all fine with me. Her occassional bouts of courage, i like. Infact much believable than all the Ekta heroines who change from rudalis to feminist superheroes overnight. Duh. What i don't like is the way D is treating her, and the way she is taking it. Her mahanta irritates me at times, but i know people like this exist. And this is why i hope she leaves him after proving her point. Well, being egoless(!) she'll leave him because she doesn't want to hurt him any more. But i hope it happens in such a way that D gets down on his knees to win her again. For he's tortured her enough. If he really hated her he'd just throw her out.

At some point in the show, i hope Naku stands up for her rights too. I'd love to see her character evolve. I identify with her character at times. That helplessness. And maybe the fact that we're both dumb. LOL. All said, i still think Naku's brave in her own way. Facing the music without cowering down takes courage. Going after what you want with single minded determination is courage.

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@ImmaculateDream

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Posted: 14 years ago

LOL! GP .. Ur back again and how ... nice to see u back btw 😊

hmm... One thing Really baffles me ... The treatment with women in Asian countries and women being shown as Alpha women or trying to PROVE men That the cant TAke their nonsense and can give them TIT for TAT.. honestly speaking this is sheer nonsense to me.. Things can be dealt with a lot of patience and can be handled well.. by showing ur ARM is not something a Women should do ... they are not powerful in that sense .. they can give it back to Men through their weapon .. and teach them what they can do.. Silence! and patience i believe are the biggest weapons ... Naksuha KNOWS dutta cannot physically harm her ... and he is a MAN who ha saved HER life from HELL.. her Life everything for her was abt to END when he came from nowhere just for her! for a Women its more then anything.. atleast for me.

So this whole WE WOMEN can SHOW THEM what we ARE is laugh worthy for me . this only reminds me of power puff girls 😆.. IF a Man is not good enough and challenges ur heart and self respect then Leaving him is the right option ...

and Dutta isn't violent with her..... he just pushed her out of his room a couple of times .. thats all ab uska hi balance kharaab hai tu 😕 ..so that cant be taken in "that light".

The show has hardly shown anything apart from that ...

and FEMALE DON .. sounds a bit weird to me .. it doesn't fit in Dutta - nakusha story at all..

yah LTL makers can start a new show after Laagi which will be abt the female Don who cant stand Men and falls in love with a MAn and handles him with the power of ARM 😆

AS for Dutta, he was never been a saint.. he is a DON.. so this pushing and throwing away business can be expected from him ...

nakusha is one patient lady ..and i m loving how she is handling him ... i remember in Taal( movie) the male protagonist proves a point .. the person standing against him breaks a glass to show his anger.. he in return break 4-6 glasses and says... ab main ani tu aap say zyada glass toray .. isse main sahi saabit hogaya?? and the argument was going between two men there... so, the basic logic is patience takes is the KEY!

she loves him! and Knows his heart... and ina way she is trying to get back to him 😉 through her patience and courage...and i Really find it more interesting and intriguing 'then watching a Female DON taking over 'a Male DON..

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Hessa85

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Posted: 14 years ago

I'm glad you posted this gp,,,I have said this before.. AS much i like LTL alot of behaviour on both Dutta's side and nakku's response does not sit comfortably with me. I understand that dutta gets betrayed, gets angry. But to the extent which leads him to treat nakku the way he did during the sups thing and now again is not understandable at all. In reality, i for one, would not be so understanding of a man who treats a woman like that.

In real life, Nakku's comments and conviction dutta will 'see the light'' i would read as completely unrealistic and as the type of logical reasoning/excuses that ive seen come from abused wives,,, The belief that a man can change through love is unlikely. I know some people may think 'well dutta isnt really ''abusive''...but abusive men are not necessarily wife beaters 24 hours of the day. this side just comes out when something that displeases them occurs. Now dutta might not be violent on the same level as some, but he did psychologically abuse nakku, he does manhandle her at his convenience ...and she did end up physically hurt. But nakku as the typical indian heroine was prepared to take all humilation up to the point she would willingly die if it meant dutta would be happier if he no longer had to see her face. to me, duttas repentance for his mistakes has never been, and will never be, adequate,,,,because he is a man so by this fact it doesnt need to be. it is only the female who needs to prove herself and so win the heart of the man!

but i guess, these dramas have only black or white characters,,either pure evil (read kala), or full of unearthly love and understanding. saying that, there are much worse dramas that have been shown....for example i still cant get over bairi piya whee the male lead started out as someone who forced young girls to sleep with to pay of their fathers debts, or for example just watch saaithiya. here the lead heroine is completely dumb (or innocent if u wish) and the worth of the daughter in laws is measurd by there ability to look after their house.

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Aparna

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Posted: 14 years ago

Well I understand what you are trying to say, and I used to watch lot of seriels before but for the past 1-2 years I have stopped watching the typical 'ekta' kind of seriels as I literally cant stand the FEMALE protagonist and their UNREASONABLE SACRIFICES 🤢! I can understand to an extent when a wife sacrifices for her husband, but in most seriels what I have seen is the central character sacrificing for any tom, dick and harry member of the family and ruining the happiness of her own husband. I can give so many examples of such seriels where the female protagonist has only given pain to her lover (who eventually becomes a devdas) just to please everyone else around her, including sometimes the evil family members of her lover 🤢. And the top in that category for ME would be Sadhna from Bidaai 🤢. They have made a JOKE of the term 'sacrifice'. That was the end of seriel watching for me for sometime.

Then I started watching seriels which dint have all this crap there, like Sasural Genda Phool, etc. I just started watching LTL in the past 1 month and I wouldnt personally call it typical as if it was, I wouldnt have continued watching it. For me, the reason why LTL doesnt fall in the bracket of typical irritating sacrificial female protagonist category is :

1) Nakusha is not seen sacrificing for everyone around her (like other typical female protagonist). The only 2 people for whom she would sacrifice anything is her MOM & DUTTA (thankfully she doesnt even obey her 'bewda' dad word by word 😆). They have time and again reasoned out why Nakusha is willing to sacrifice for these 2 people - the 2 people who have influenced her life positively at various stages (minus the baabi decision of not telling the truth to Dutta initially 😡).

As far as her MOM is concerned, Nakku's mom means the world to her and everything she is today, she gives credit to her mom. Even when she talks her sentences begins with 'Aayi kehti hain....' which itself shows how much her mom means to her and how much of importance she gives to everything her mom says. So it makes sense even if a girl is willing to sacrifice for her MOM.

The 2nd is DUTTA. In my personal opinion, I feel whatever Nakku does for Dutta is justified. That is my opinion 😳. I would start off by mentioning the reasons why Nakku respected him a lot in the beginning itself......he saved her life from what could have been the most horrible life for any woman (i.e., prostitution) , he always treated her with respect and never judged her based on her dark and ugly complexion and her low status, even though he is a Don, she realised that he is a good human being with a golden heart, who does lot of good for the society, etc. Now these are the reasons as to why she really liked and respected him initially, and slowly fell in love with him.

She was able to understand him, his heart, his pain and everything about him. She was able to feel his pain and cry for him. And we cant blame her either as being viewers arent we able to sympathise with this guy Dutta and his pain and sometimes feel too sorry for him compared to any other male protagonist 😳? For me atleast, which ever seriel I have watched, its very rarely that I have been able to empathise with male characters, and Dutta is just the 3rd character that I can really empathise with (1st being Manoj Bohra in Kasauti Zindagi ke, 2nd being Karan Patel in Kasturi, and 3rd Mishal Raheja 😳). And this is mainly because I think all 3 of them are awsome actors 👏!

2) IMO, LTL's track of male protagonist misunderstanding and ill-treating the female protagonist is different from other shows as here it is neither misunderstanding (unlike other seriels as here Nakku really did cheat him in a way), nor literally ill-treating an 'innocent' female protagonist. Agree that he pushes her around, but thats the maximum he does, he has never even slapped her like many people in other seriels.

Even Nakku knows that whatever Dutta is doing now, he is justified to an extent. From what I have understood of the current situation, I dont think Nakku is sad thinking her husband is treating her this way or he is misunderstanding her. She is sad mainly thinking of Dutta's pain. And as far as misunderstanding her is concerned, this time round she also knows that he is not totally wrong in blaming her as she herself feard that since Dutta hates 'dhoka' how will he take it if Nakku tells him that one of the base characteristic of hers that Dutta knows about her itself is FAKE (i.e, her complexion). So its not about her being fair or dark, its just about DHOKA from the last person he expected to cheat him .

Even when Dutta married her to punish her, more than punishing Nakku, he was punishing himself and self inflicting himself. So more than feeling sorry for what Dutta does to Nakku, she feels sad when she sees him harming and hurting himself. Even in the current situation, Nakku feels bad seeing Dutta suffer than what he is doing to her. For her the physical and mental pain that he is giving her is not the issue, her current issue is she cannot see Dutta suffer so much and want him to relieve himself of this torture he is doing to himself 😭.

From most of our POV maybe Nakku hiding this thing from Dutta might be a small issue, but from Dutta's point of view, for a person who hates betrayel, this is really a big deal for him and beyond his tolerance , especially when he knows that the person who did this to him is the person who knows very well how much he hates betrayel. And Mishal also said in his interview that he is also upset that the entire family stood by Nakku to fool him . So since he is not able to tolerate and digest all these things at one blow, I would say his reaction is justified. Even if he behaves like this for few more days I would still say it is justified as such things take time to cool down, especially for a person like Dutta who has still not forgotten the betrayel that happened to him 10 years back !

So I wouldnt compare LTL with other shows and their male protagonists as LTL is different to me 😳. And I think what mainly makes this seriel different to me is Mishal Raheja's acting and potrayal of Dutta which I doubt if any other actor could have carried out the way he is potraying 👍🏼.

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Musarrat

@mussy.jamshed

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Posted: 14 years ago

I agree with Parul completely....

I agree that women in all the serials seems to have accepted their role as sacrificial lambs. And this is not very fair....women r just portrayed as selfless beings with no rights and demands......I don't think LTL is potraying the same message here.........Dutta is not a cruel person , he has led very terrible life.....with lots of betrayals and deceits.....right now he is damn angry and he is not manhandling her.....he has not beaten nor slapped her...he is just very angry as he never expected to be betrayed by Nakusha......right now he is boiling from inside.....emotions r just uncontrollable......She loves him alot and she has no issue with it........all she is concerned for ; dutta's hurt, pain and anger......she is forbearing it because she knows she deserves to be treated this way.....dutta's action is completely understandable in my POV.......he was kept in the dark by people whom he loved alot and has been treated as fool.......imagine person expecting happiness ahead n the very next day darkness loomed over his life again.....can we also think from his POV? dutta is hurt . is he happy to treat nakusha this way? No......He loves her alot but He is very very hurt n will take his time..beyond this point I want LTL to grow as serial.....not just female selflessness, rona dhona, sacrifices, vamp's tactics.....there is much more to women and I hope they work on it.......as for me........its first indian serial I have ever watched.....because its quite simple n natural.....LTL for me is different as I feel they have worked alot in this serial n developing characters i.e. Magnanimous Figure Dutta Bhau........Gullible yet strong Nakusha.......Fierce n frivolous 😆😆Kalawati...........Desi Ghee ki Mithai "Aye Saheb"😆.......I am simply in love with this soap......atleast its going logically till now.....

GP : I always wondered why LTL couldn't be about a woman Don who hates men because of her past experiences. How angry she was with people, how she couldn't trust them...would she be portrayed and seen as sympathetically as Dutta? 😆😆 Don't take me wrong GP, I guess colors are already presenting " Na Aana is des ladoo "........LTL can't be on the same route.......

I wish LTL moves on with this Naku-Dutta "finding their way to each other" and gets on with the next best thing, and shows women a little differently. It's treatment of women characters is becoming tedious.
Women historically have been portrayed selfless be it Mothers, sisters, daughters and wives.... in our society also , sacrifice is always expected from women not from man.....so how come they treat women characters differently.......😕

if we see LTL , Somehow Dutta has been at the receiving end all his life.....so this is the only indian serial where male protagonist has strong role and purpose..... atleast he is shown very honest and blunt in his actions.....I love Dutta.........only Nakusha can handle this 😕 type of individual 😆😆😆.........

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gp00

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: SAraW
LOL! GP .. Ur back again and how ... nice to see u back btw 😊

hmm... One thing Really baffles me ... The treatment with women in Asian countries and women being shown as Alpha women or trying to PROVE men That the cant TAke their nonsense and can give them TIT for TAT.. honestly speaking this is sheer nonsense to me.. Things can be dealt with a lot of patience and can be handled well.. by showing ur ARM is not something a Women should do ... they are not powerful in that sense .. they can give it back to Men through their weapon .. and teach them what they can do.. Silence! and patience i believe are the biggest weapons ... Naksuha KNOWS dutta cannot physically harm her ... and he is a MAN who ha saved HER life from HELL.. her Life everything for her was abt to END when he came from nowhere just for her! for a Women its more then anything.. atleast for me.
So this whole WE WOMEN can SHOW THEM what we ARE is laugh worthy for me . this only reminds me of power puff girls 😆.. IF a Man is not good enough and challenges ur heart and self respect then Leaving him is the right option ...

and Dutta isn't violent with her..... he just pushed her out of his room a couple of times .. thats all ab uska hi balance kharaab hai tu 😕 ..so that cant be taken in "that light".
The show has hardly shown anything apart from that ...

and FEMALE DON .. sounds a bit weird to me .. it doesn't fit in Dutta - nakusha story at all..

yah LTL makers can start a new show after Laagi which will be abt the female Don who cant stand Men and falls in love with a MAn and handles him with the power of ARM 😆

AS for Dutta, he was never been a saint.. he is a DON.. so this pushing and throwing away business can be expected from him ...

nakusha is one patient lady ..and i m loving how she is handling him ... i remember in Taal( movie) the male protagonist proves a point .. the person standing against him breaks a glass to show his anger.. he in return break 4-6 glasses and says... ab main ani tu aap say zyada glass toray .. isse main sahi saabit hogaya?? and the argument was going between two men there... so, the basic logic is patience takes is the KEY!

she loves him! and Knows his heart... and ina way she is trying to get back to him 😉 through her patience and courage...and i Really find it more interesting and intriguing 'then watching a Female DON taking over 'a Male DON..

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Hi Sara!

Your response got me thinking. I've never believed in TIT for TAT when it comes to men-women. Let me explain. If men act alpha-ish, there is no need for a woman to act that way, if that is NOT what she is. Women don't need to be men in skirts. 😉 What I believe in is that Naku should stop being a doormat. She doesn't need to get revenge upon Dutta, be mean, be like Dutta--she needs to open that mouth of hers and SAY what she's got to stay even if she has to scream, and stop crying, or bringing tea. I am no Naku...I would have yelled at him and said, who do you think you are? You think you are the only one life has been cruel to, that other people have been cruel to? You think that only you suffer or hurt? Well, you're NOT the only one. You think I've worn that kajal on my face to deceive YOU? To get YOU? It happened way BEFORE YOU ever existed in my life, and it has nothing to do with you. I made a mistake hiding it, and an even bigger one by not telling you why.....etc, etc. But not our Naku, because the way to show love is to take the insults, the anger, quietly...it shows everyone just how much you understand and love him.😆 The level of stupidity in these serials is unprecedented. It was okay 6 months ago on the show, but they really need to stop now.

Look, I personally don't like Naku as a character...too mahaan for me. I'm not a big believer in romantic martyrs. Let's put it this way, if there were a person like her in real life, while I would like her as a person, I would not want to have her around. She lacks that something. Not alpha male behavior patterns, but an identity, a basic almost elemental level of self-respect. She's "limited". Yes, all her life she's been made to look ugly, and hence she doesn't have much faith in herself. But, people get past far worse things in life.

Yes, I agree. Where Dutta is right now, is because Naku's lie has brought him there. Dutta in my mind is not your typical abusive husband--but make no mistake about it, he is an abusive human being. Words, shoves, all these things are abusive in nature. And I hope people watching these shows STOP ROMANTICIZING these things, even in movies, like the Taal scene you mentioned, which is still different from what we've seen in LTL. It's cute on TV and silly Bollywood movies, but in reality, a glass being thrown here and there is not so cute. And taking it and letting it happen is NOT courage. You respect Naku for handling things the way she is....I simply do not. What they're showing on LTL is absurd nowadays, and in the guise of romance and courage?😆

Do you know why they call dogs men's best friend? Because men don't have to do anything, and that dog will come running to it and give it whatever affection, company, and patience he needs...but last time I looked, though she acts like man's best friend, Naku is undeniably a human being! 😆 Have Naku just speak up for herself and get this damn story over with already...

By the Don thing, I should have been clearer. I did not mean it for LTL. But it would be something to reverse gender roles, and see how much romance we would see if the roles were reversed. Would such a story still be a great love story?

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Crystal29

@Crystal29

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Posted: 14 years ago

I agree!

There are so many serials where women are potrayed as mahaan. But they are not actually mahaan. They just do not know how to fight back...I have not seen many serials. But my mom used to watch few of them, and all I could see was the same wife being ill-treated by husband, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister-in-law and whoever else lives in that house. Women being cheated or used....

I can take the in-laws bad-mouthing the daughter-in-law..What I cannot take is the husband/lover who once vowed his love to that women standing silently in a corner and watching the tamasha. I really cannot understand that.

I see that now many shows have turned to love stories as the base and not the saas-bahu drama..But still after some time, it does come back to the same drama..

Now, I do think LTL is different in that way. It is still a love story. I know the whole issue is Dutta pushing Nakku and screaming at her...I also at that point thought it was bad..But I did not cringe at it like I do when this happens in any other show. I think that is because, their characters and relationship has already been established in front of us so beautifully that I don't think it is out of character.

Now if he is going to hit her, that I cannot take. And that is the reason I was hoping/praying that he does not throw her into the storeroom like the articles said, because that is not Dutta for me...And I am glad that did not happen. Dutta may act out of control in anger, but he will not plan and do stuff like lock her in a room to torture her. He might have done that when he was angry with her during the first marriage..because then he was a Don who is angry with this girl..But not now, because now he is a Don who loves his wife...However angry he is, he will never be able to see Nakku being ill-treated by any one else either.

Same way Nakku is not sacrificing. She is trying to win back the trust and love from Dutta in her own way. She knows that he is hurting and trying to heal him. That makes me respect her more than thinking that she is a person with no self-respect.

In my opinion, if there is a problem in a relationship, one person needs to step down and look at it to try to solve the problem. If both are going to blow their fuse like Dutta is doing now, then no relationship will work...So I am ok with Nakku being patient now. Yes, I do want a situation in furture where Dutta does the same for her. But his way of doing the same will be different. We cannot compare them..In the end, Men ARE from Mars and Women ARE from Venus...

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kabeeraspeaking

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Posted: 14 years ago

I really don't know if I should plunge into this discussion because for one, it's going to be long-winded and another, it will most probably have no conclusion, but what the hell might as well go out on a limb 😆

First of all, LTL is NOT a show, at all, which can be directly related to real life in any capacity. It's funny, many times I see people on the forum gushing about Dutta, deeming Nakku undeserving of him, wishing that a man like him comes into their lives, etc. etc. and I think: is this for real? Because it's not. The premise of the show itself is something that defeats any relation to real life, because no matter how much we may love Dutta because of his mannerisms, personality, or complexities, at the end of the day, it is because he is FICTIONAL. Supriya was virtually crucified for her behaviour with Dutta, but that is how a real woman would react to a man like him, one who has blood on his hands, carries around a gun, drinks to the point of losing his sanity and has major anger management issues. A real woman would not be like Nakku or even the opposite of Nakku: someone who would stand up to Dutta and 'give' it back to him in the name of feminism. A real woman (with a wise and rational head on her shoulders) would distance herself away from a man like him at the first instance. Forget 'getting to know the person, spending time with them,' etc...that, I call ideal romanticism...a way in which life doesn't work for the most part.

So since the show itself is based on something that is contrary to reality, a girl falling in love with a man like Dutta, is it any surprise that her character is the way it is, designed to be a foil to him and thus so ever-sacrificial, humble and all-enduring? If we want some 'real life' behaviour from Nakku, then she wouldn't have been in love with Dutta in the first place. But LTL has done this cleverly...the very fact that their story is so detached from reality allows them to have such characters and justify it too. Don't you sometimes get the feeling that Patil Wadi is in an altogether alternative universe? 😆 So to compare this show to reality and how a woman really would behave in real life on a direct level...not very valid. The fact that this is something dramatized as well, showcasing 'extreme' situations, choices and decisions...it totally removes the show from a realistic realm and takes it to a fictional zone from which we can only draw vague comparisons and relations on a very indirect level.

But if you still want to compare for the sake of it and draw conclusions on Nakku's character, I will agree with what SAraW has said. I do not support vocal, rabid feminism and cannot root for Nakku to 'give' it to Dutta with hue and cry just because he is a man who has (physical) power over her and she should speak out for the heck of it. The idea of a woman revolting against 'the man' just because...it shows an ingrained inferiority planted in the mind which demands to be 'proven' wrong. WHY is the way in which Nakku fights Dutta's 'injustice' considered as lying down and being bulldozed over? Just because she doesn't create havoc while doing it? It's called silent strength...tackling fire with water. And it will definitively defeat Dutta, she will be the one who wins. Then people might say that she took all of Dutta's 'abuse' and didn't have any self-respect to stand up for herself in front of him...but OH, she did! She is fighting. She is standing up for herself. And just because she chooses to fight an internal, emotional and psychological battle over a vocal and physical one doesn't mean she isn't fighting. To compare her with any other fictional heroine, she is far better than the norm. Because trust me, I have watched enough shows in my time, and any other woman in her situation would have been pulling off Babi/AS Part 50, crying about her phooti kismet, blaming everyone and anyone else except herself, fainting left, right and center without doing anything proactive..but Nakku? She actively approaches Dutta, is determined to make him accept her, she's not crying rivers, she's not being weak.

And for the people who have a problem with Dutta being abusive...it might sound harsh, but flat out, either you've picked the wrong show to watch or have double standards. Dutta physically tortures a guy hanging upside down and that is acceptable, everyone still loves him regardless, but if he pushes Nakku, it's time to bring out our pitchforks? Doesn't quite work that way, right? It should be recognized that this is just a show and hopefully most are wise enough to judge accordingly, to realize that this is not something to get influenced by or use as a template...no one should be wishing for a Dutta in their lives and no one should be under the false pretence that they can be a Nakku who will 'transform' men or try to act like a Nakku in order to revolutionize other people's lives. Appreciate the show for what it is, in the realm that it is meant to be: fiction. And leave it at that. Because if we try to take this show in any other way but that, the foundation itself falls broken on the ground.

Edited by make-believe - 14 years ago

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Hi, everyone, thanks for responding so far....I've enjoyed reading your responses.

One thing that was mentioned is comparisons to other shows, the Ekta syndrome...I don't address Ekta stuff because it is not worth the time or effort.

I am an absolutist...I don't think of LTL as being good because it lacks Ekta elements. I judge it on its own merits, and mistakes--the story, development, dialogues, etc. Not compared to something else. That's why in my post I NOT ONCE mention what other shows are doing per se...it matters nothing to me what other shows do.

But I will tell you that I'm becoming less enthralled with this monotonous drama in Naku and Dutta's relationship and her self-sacrificing. What drives me bonkers is that she just has to RAISE HER VOICE and JUST SAY IT. If Dutta listens, he listens. If he doesn't, then so be it. But no, we have to watch this "romance" and "love" and "understanding" play out.😆

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