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thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#261

Shaavi, I think some things need clarification here. This thread is *intended* to be pro nobody. It's an analysis thread. We say what we think is happening with the story and the characters.

The fact that you felt this thread was pro-xyz actually beats the purpose totally. It will swing one way or the other depending on who posts and how they think during that track.

I won't lie. Your post hurts. After all these attempts to make sure anyone can come and analyse a character without the fear of being called names... this post is the last thing i expected

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#262

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Also a cool little throwback -- last time, they had to cancel their Paris trip because Ishwari invoked the behen card. This time, will it be the behenein who finally get them there? 😉

Another cool throwback.. S1E1 - Dev told mami it took his ma 28 years to cover the distance of 25 minutes.. This season we are already seeing it too Devakshi 7 years to cover a distance of 30 minutes 💔

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#263

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Sorry, but I don't agree with saying Dev should have followed Sonakshi after knowing that she was left on street. From my perspective there is only one elephant in the room and that is Sonakshi telling Dev about Soha. Why I feel so. It is because of Sonakshi's own actions. First she left home on Dev saying get out. Then in the farmhouse she threw the mangalsutra in the fire and declared that they had no relationship between them. So why is Dev obligated to follow Sonakshi and make sure she or her family is ok. You make sure your family is ok, not strangers. You follow someone to say thanks for the help provided, not when you are hurt badly by that person. And Dev was hurt very badly by Sonakshi. He trusted her with his heart and life and she shattered it. I don't see why Dev should even feel bad for anything that happened at that time. He and she were strangers.

Let me give you an example Shaavi... Dev should have checked on Sonakshi, (according to DQ, Dev's fan) because he is a noble person.. I had hoped Ishwari will do this because I know she has a heart for homeless people.. Not because its their fault... the fact that he was made to believe that it was his fault only makes it less believable for that character to do nothing about it (and my explanation for that behavior simply is he had no strength in him)...

For example, Dev expected baba Bose to react less batangadi than mami... not be as jhahil as her.. does this make sense?

I hold Dev to high standards because he meets them.

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#264

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen
Shaavi, I think some things need clarification here. This thread is *intended* to be pro nobody. It's an analysis thread. We say what we think is happening with the story and the characters.

The fact that you felt this thread was pro-xyz actually beats the purpose totally. It will swing one way or the other depending on who posts and how they think during that track.

I won't lie. Your post hurts. After all these attempts to make sure anyone can come and analyse a character without the fear of being called names... this post is the last thing i expected

DQ, I agree that the original intent was to be pro nobody and just analyze. But it has not remained so. Sorry. But from several threads I see very little analysis and posts being pro somebody ending with judgement of what someone is supposed to do. I tried to stay positive as that is who I am, but now don't feel that anymore. And as I said I did not intend to hurt anyone and I am sincerely sorry for everything.

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#265

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Let me give you an example Shaavi... Dev should have checked on Sonakshi, (according to DQ, Dev's fan) because he is a noble person.. I had hoped Ishwari will do this because I know she has a heart for homeless people.. Not because its their fault... the fact that he was made to believe that it was his fault only makes it less believable for that character to do nothing about it (and my explanation for that behavior simply is he had no strength in him)...

For example, Dev expected baba Bose to react less batangadi than mami... not be as jhahil as her.. does this make sense?

I hold Dev to high standards because he meets them.

What you said is true DQ. But the converse is true too. Is there no responsibility from Sonakshi or the Boses. Didn't she have any obligations to check on him. Why was every single responsibility from his side only. He had to do everything that a "husband" is supposed to do, but Sonakshi not being the "wife" nor fulfilling her "responsibilities" as a wife is ok. Why didn't Sonakshi not come back to check to see whether Dev was alive or dead?. Hadn't he told her numerous times that he will die without her. Doesn't/didn't she constantly say that she "knows" him. If so why didn't she think even for one minute about him. If we hold Dev in high standards, do we not hold Sonakshi in high standards too. If we hold her to high standards why should we not have expectations from her. And that is what I am trying to say.

This is the first time I am writing anything as I don't feel I am as good as most of you guys here. I started writing what I feel that is all. And that is what I tried to say. Equality is between two equals, what holds good for should hold good for the other. The measuring unit used for one should be the same for the other too. While holding one to high standards while discounting the same for the other is not equality from my perspective.

Once again my intention was never to hurt anyone. It was just that in trying to be positive I lost the same. Sorry.

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Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#266

@Shaavi: I know you didn't intend to hurt anyone but I have to agree with DQ. We try really hard to ensure that this is a safe place for people to share their views, and your accusations do hurt. Just as you have lost connect with Sonakshi and feel free to express that, people are welcome to do the same for Dev, if they don't feel that connect with him. People are allowed to be biased on this thread as long as they stay within the rules and aren't disrespectful of other's opinions.

As for Dev and the Boses' eviction, his duty there was not as a husband, but as someone who was responsible for a family becoming homeless overnight. It is out of character for someone who cared so minutely even about his most anonymous employees. And as I said in my post, what if he had found them destitute all these years later? What if he found that Dadi or Bijoy had had lasting health problems because of that experience? I don't think Dev would absolve himself of guilt, so why should we not hold him responsible?

Much like with Sona hiding Soha, I understand why he couldn't go after them, being utterly broken himself, but just as that pain doesn't make Sona hiding Soha right, it doesn't erase the fact that the last Dev heard of the Boses, they were on the street with nowhere to go (because of him as far as he knows), and he never looked back to find out what happened.

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Danseuse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#267

The lasting impression that was left on me post tonight's episode (23rd June) :

Did Sonakshi do it again and was she lucky that Ishwari has changed!! The 'chaavi ka gucha' given to her authoritatively by Ishwari was returned by Sonakshi to XGKB because she felt XGKB is the rightful owner! And that too w/out any discussion with Ishwari. Couldn't she have waited till next morning and then do it? This is where I find her character very disheartening! Considering the fact that Ishwari and Dev know XGKB and Vicky inside out and also they have put up with their antics only because of the good soul called Mamaji and his helpful hand in the past. Sonakshi need not have changed anything. And definitely not impromptu. She thought she was being noble, but the repercussions should not turn out otherwise!! The impression that this scene left on me is that Sonakshi still believes she is always right. I would like the Creatives to prove otherwise!! 😃

-Rekha

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#268

@Rekha: I actually felt quite proud of the change in Sonakshi today! She dealt with the problem like Sonakshi and not like Ishwari's bahu, and that made me really happy. If Ishwari had bestowed this responsibility/honour on Sona 1.0, I feel like she would have bent over backwards to fulfill it. We could have kissed our competent nutritionist Dr. Bose goodbye and resigned ourselves to the permanent presence of benaras saris and gajra for miles, keys tinkling blithely at Mrs. Dixit Jr.'s waist.

But today, Sona didn't blindly follow Ishwari's will, she expressed what she wanted, and I think it was a really smart decision. What Ishwari did to Mami was hurtful, and not unlike what she did to Neha years ago: I am going to rely on you when I need to, strip you of power when I have better options, and call it all a favour. The fact is that, as Mami said, she has done the work. It may have been for selfish motives, but one can't deny that she maintained the basic livvability of IN, kept it clean and kept food on the table. In such a big house, that isn't nothing, and Dev and Ishwari benefitted directly from it.

Moreover, this wasn't said explicitly, but illustrated by the scene that followed Sona's return of the keys to Mami. She is tired after the last seven years; she desperately wants to rest her head on Dev's shoulder and forget the world. Those keys, that responsibility, the pedestal is starting to weigh heavy on her and she is beginning to have the courage to revoke it. I agree that she should have discussed it with Ishwari first, but her impulsive mistake gave us a chance to see Ishwari's genuine love for her now. She communicated clearly that she was hurt Sona hadn't told her, and really listened and understood when Sona explained her impulsiveness and apologised.

The way I saw it, Sona doesn't want to be right and in charge any more, as much as she wants to be loved and have peace of mind.

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cscs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#269

@Sam, different perspective about Sona's returning keys n good one too.

Firstly i agree that Ishu should have taken GKB in confidence before handing over the keys to Sona. But she is keen to make Sona insider, so she doesn't think twice before taking it away from GKB. Another thing which i feel is that Ishu thinks that the keys were her property and she gave it to GKB and now if she is taking away, so should not be a big deal. In many cases Ishu is clear that its her house and her rules scenario. Vaise i wonder if GKB would have reacted some what different even if she was informed about it. 😆

Actually Problem is not that sona returned key, the issue is she didn't informed Ishwari about her decision. For what i think those keys were given to Sona by Ishwari, no matter from he she has taken those keys but the fact is she gave her keys. So atleast informing the very person who has given you the responsibility. that you are passing on the responsibility was important.

Today Ishu is sane, or rather trying to mend things, but this situation could have been manipulated easily by GKB n that will be a real test for Sona and Ish in future.

I will try to explain with an example, I join my college from where i did my Grad. N eventually my professors became my colleagues, but the equation was somewhat same from my side in terms of respect. My HOD gave me one task to do n i was feeling over burdened with other responsibilities. So i delegated that responsibility to some other colleague n informed my HOD. I won't go into much detail, but situation get bad due to some politics and everything, and if i hadn't informed my HOD about delegating my responsibility, i would have been in serious trouble. I was saved bcz it was my responsibility to do that work and my duty to inform the concerned person if I am passing it on. Also, they were my professors who have taught me, so they know the situation. But that day i learned that with responsibility a sense of duty also comes. I dunno whether this eg is apt for the situation or not. 😆

All i wanna say is there was no harm in informing Ish abt the decision. N Sam , i feel different from your POV at one more point. I think even season one Sona would have done the same, returning back the keys to Mamji. Sona's main problem was nature of passing the keys. She felt bad bcz keys were not given to her directly by maami, who was the holder of keys. But it was ish, who actually take away the keys from maami and gave it her. This thing was disturbing her more rather than the responsibility of the keys.

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#270

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
@Shaavi: I know you didn't intend to hurt anyone but I have to agree with DQ. We try really hard to ensure that this is a safe place for people to share their views, and your accusations do hurt. Just as you have lost connect with Sonakshi and feel free to express that, people are welcome to do the same for Dev, if they don't feel that connect with him. People are allowed to be biased on this thread as long as they stay within the rules and aren't disrespectful of other's opinions.

As for Dev and the Boses' eviction, his duty there was not as a husband, but as someone who was responsible for a family becoming homeless overnight. It is out of character for someone who cared so minutely even about his most anonymous employees. And as I said in my post, what if he had found them destitute all these years later? What if he found that Dadi or Bijoy had had lasting health problems because of that experience? I don't think Dev would absolve himself of guilt, so why should we not hold him responsible?

Much like with Sona hiding Soha, I understand why he couldn't go after them, being utterly broken himself, but just as that pain doesn't make Sona hiding Soha right, it doesn't erase the fact that the last Dev heard of the Boses, they were on the street with nowhere to go (because of him as far as he knows), and he never looked back to find out what happened.

Sam, was it not ok for me to put my views without fearing approbation. But as I mentioned earlier from past 3 -4 threads when I posted anything where I talked about Sonakshi in poor light, I immediately got negative response like how could I not understand Sonakshi's noble and good intentions. How could I question her. I am not sure if you read them are not, but I was accused at that time. Sorry, but I felt very disheartened by the responses which asked me how can I question Sonakshi or say she is flawed. I started posting less and less and ended up with tiny paragraphs and sometimes not saying anything. And yesterday was kind of like the last straw I guess and I reacted. For that I am sorry. It is not ok to hurt real people for reel characters. I once again sincerely apologize for anyone I hurt. I know I cannot take back the words, but can learn from my mistakes. I am human, a flawed human. 😊 .

This was a good experience and I think I needed it as I was becoming too involved in this series. Now this backoff is good for me and I can go back to viewing the series as a viewer. 😃 . Thanks for giving me this opportunity to share my thoughts and for the appreciation given, in short for everything. It is a pleasure to know so many wonderful people and their thoughts.