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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: aparna_krpkab

So the consensus is , husband who evicted his wife's family, intentionally or unintentionally slapped his FIL, didn't give moral and emotional support to his wife when his family members insulted her to the extent that they forgot infertility is a medical condition, is Mahaan...and the wife who has undergone all miseries alone, should have informed him when God bless her with a child to heal all her sorrows...I am sorry if I hurt anyone this reasoning as same as people saying girls get raped because of their revealing cloths...I don't have anything else to say...end of the day now I understand why we have saas-bahu problems...because a woman cannot stand another woman be righteous


Hello Anamika

I am making a mod post to you here. I don't recall you posting on this thread. I suggest you read the thread rules on page 1.

To elaborate on why I am pointing this out to you.. this is an analysis thread. We do not come to any consensus here. Democratically or otherwise. The only agreement we made to each other when we started this 23 weeks ago was to be polite, kind and open to all views.

The best way to enjoy and participate in our thread is to read these as people's viewpoints on the characters, story and the show. Passing a judgement won't make for constructive participation.

See you around
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen


Hello Anamika

I am making a mod post to you here. I don't recall you posting on this thread. I suggest you read the thread rules on page 1.

To elaborate on why I am pointing this out to you.. this is an analysis thread. We do not come to any consensus here. Democratically or otherwise. The only agreement we made to each other when we started this 23 weeks ago was to be polite, kind and open to all views.

The best way to enjoy and participate in our thread is to read these as people's viewpoints on the characters, story and the show. Passing a judgement won't make for constructive participation.

See you around
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@DQ yes I have seen ur thread rules...can you tell me where I have breached your rules? For using the word consensus? My point was based on above posts...though I havent participated in the thread but this is open forum..I believe I have the right to express my views. Why you didn't raise a mod's post for above posts? Why only mine is it bcoz I am relatively new? Sorry I don't find anything hurtful in my post. I wrote based on my under standing of above posts. If u have rules enforce it fairly. Otherwise ignore it...I'm aparna not anamika which clearly indicates you havent even read my post completely
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Posted: 8 years ago
Aparna I am sorry for addressing you wrong. I have a good friend by the name anamika and I type her name on the phone a lot. I guess it was part muscle memory. I shall be more careful

Our issue is that when someone passes a judgement or comment on others' thoughts(like you said you did on the posts before yours) the other person might just roll into a ball and not respond. We saw that happening (and were victims of the same when we started the thread) and that is why we always say, discuss don't summarise for someone else.

Why would we pick on someone new? Did you see we were discussing the same issue with Shaavi who is one of the oldest members here..

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Aparna I am sorry for addressing you wrong. I have a good friend by the name anamika and I type her name on the phone a lot. I guess it was part muscle memory. I shall be more careful

Our issue is that when someone passes a judgement or comment on others' thoughts(like you said you did on the posts before yours) the other person might just roll into a ball and not respond. We saw that happening (and were victims of the same when we started the thread) and that is why we always say, discuss don't summarise for someone else.

Why would we pick on someone new? Did you see we were discussing the same issue with Shaavi who is one of the oldest members here..

My posts were based on comments made by Shaavi and malikakas...since I didn't want to take their names I wrote consensus based on above posts. I thought if I take names it will look like I'm accusing them. Whether you like it or not I have been reading posts on this thread, many who writes here think they know the characters better than the writers. That's why my above post. Ok since you don't want me to reach a conclusion, I would like to say both Shaavi and Mallikakas are blinded by their love for Dev and they bilittle another character. If writing so is okay with you as mod, I don't have anything else to say. I feel a rule shud b a rule 4 everyone especially in an open forum, if u keep a rule adherence of that rule shud b fair. More than my post I found@rekha post very demeaning you didn't redflag it why?
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Posted: 8 years ago
Lakshmi, your post about sonakshi sleeping after giving that one piece of information really spoke to me. I have been watching that scene starting from Dev sat on that window (with his long legs in plain view for me to ogle 😳 ) in repeat mode. It was lovely. Pure bliss. So your post tells me we are all do different isn't it. Obviously the makers totally spoke my love language but failed to speak yours (good to validate my own theory ever so often 😉 )
This is exactly how SR 1.0 started isn't it. They were sat on the edge of the bed in exactly the same positions. Sonakshi had a heavy head piece and this time the symbolic responsibility was that piece. Our ever so feminist Dev left the decision with his tumi tumi miss Bose. But look how lovely it ended this time. This is exactly how I had hoped SR 1.0 would end. But alas! This time Sonakshi sorted matters herself. Didn't take it out on Dev. She was relaxed and they both cuddled and shared a piece of the last 7 years. She was so honest and told him she was jealous that Soha called Papa before mumma. She was tired so she fell asleep in his arms

I have already imagined how the rest of that night went. Have you?
Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Oh and Lakshmi, part if the charm of Dev was this mysterious place he lived in and his family too.
That's the quirkiness of this relationship. He needs units and she needs the ghar sansaar. Mami calls her a ghar todne wali. What mami misses is that Dev's ghar actually judo-es when you make units in it.

Thursday first few minutes were awesome for that. He was at Boses making his own unit with Sona and Soha. She was at IN building a holistic Palatial house.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Lakshmi, your post about sonakshi sleeping after giving that one piece of information really spoke to me. I have been watching that scene starting from Dev sat on that window (with his long legs in plain view for me to ogle 😳 ) in repeat mode. It was lovely. Pure bliss. So your post tells me we are all do different isn't it. Obviously the makers totally spoke my love language but failed to speak yours (good to validate my own theory ever so often 😉 )

This is exactly how SR 1.0 started isn't it. They were sat on the edge of the bed in exactly the same positions. Sonakshi had a heavy head piece and this time the symbolic responsibility was that piece. Our ever so feminist Dev left the decision with his tumi tumi miss Bose. But look how lovely it ended this time. This is exactly how I had hoped SR 1.0 would end. But alas! This time Sonakshi sorted matters herself. Didn't take it out on Dev. She was relaxed and they both cuddled and shared a piece of the last 7 years. She was so honest and told him she was jealous that Soha called Papa before mumma. She was tired so she fell asleep in his arms

I have already imagined how the rest of that night went. Have you?

Even I second your thoughts that shot was beauiful.In the last frame when we look at the dev's face it has a simile that his sona is sleeping peacefuly on his sholder and that is love to see you partener sleeping peacefuly with out any tension. Some times we get so much attatched with the charcters that we forgot that we are seeing the writers story.but due to the love for those characters and our life expriences and according to our logic we want the story sholud move but it is not our story of the charcter is not us . So we sholud wait how the story unfold and watch and enjoy.😊😊
Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I loved your take on that last scene. You explained it with such clarity and conviction. If Dev is just satisfied with that gesture of Sonakshi it is ok with me. But if Dev felt incomplete and disappointed I would feel bad for him. Here I am not talking about physical intimacy. I mean the emotional togetherness. I want Sona to place her relationship on the top. Nothing should come closer to it. They lost seven years and it is a long period. There is no guaranty of our life span in this materialistic world. It is predestined. So they both should cherish their love as the treasure unparalleled.

Somehow I see Sona lagging behind in exploring the different colours of love. I don't know but I feel so. In comparison Dev appears poetic though he is not a poet in reality. He lives in his love day and night, I see his intense urge to be with her,to hear her words,to enjoy her feel...but I still has to see this in Sona. She looks quite practical and controlled

My yesterday's post also is the result of my dissatisfaction towards Sonakshi's way of functioning.
I hope I conveyed what I want to yes? Or no?



Lakshmi


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Posted: 8 years ago
DQ 😳 Wi-fi still on I guess😆 I am with you wrt the Dev- Sona scene and even the keys.

The previous episode ended with the contented smile on Dev's face seeing his love welcomed with warmth or whole heartedly unlike the last time. The smile and confidence on their faces.😳 Ishwari was in a hurry to rectify all her perceived mistakes and did what she does always. It was history repeating itself, sidelining the emotions of her bhabi just like what she did with Neha before. Mamiji's hurt was palpable and the hug initiated by Ishwari was so diplomatic. But Mami was no one's fool and she knew that she being asked to step aside graciously.

It felt so natural seeing how uncomfortable they were seeing the room decorated and the naughty smile played by Elena. 7 years is a long time and it is not easy to come close even if they both know that they love each other. Even a smile, a touch or even a glance will take them to their own world full of love that they yearned for and missed all these years. With these they will be able to accept that it is not a dream but a reality that they are together now.

Dev had to go to his mother and say those words to her because she had to hear from him that she still knows what he desires even without saying a word, that their bond hasn't become weaker but only stronger with this step of hers. It gave the season 1 vibes but sweeter because this time they both understood and loved each other and had that confidence that the other one will never leave you even with all your faults.

Sona was deep in thought and worried when Dev came back to their room and he immediately clued onto the fact that she was uncomfortable because of the added responsibilities and not because she didn't want to be close to him or because of what others wanted them to be. The way he asked her to share and her doing the same acknowledging that they had indeed failed as a couple to communicate was so beautiful and mature. His trust that she will do the right thing empowered her to take the decision and she knew it was the right thing when she met mamiji. Her accusing eyes and silent tears were telling a tale in itself. The first time around she ended up antagonizing even her allies resulting in her being alone in a houseful of people. The last 7 years had not been a cake walk for either Sona or Dev. Now when they were finally together it was not the time to be burdened by more responsibilities and lose whatever connects and understanding that they have reached. When she told mamiji that she finds her the best suited to run the household responsibilities it was in a way her atonement for making her feel like a thief in their house when she was just an employee there and had no right to do the same. When she left the keys with mamiji she had the confidence of doing the right thing because Dev was by her side supporting her and it was their decision.

I can't get over the scene that followed. Don't even have a count on the number of times I have watched this scene and dreamed. Still feeling so contented thinking about it and it is enough to pass this weekend with a smile. Dev was sitting by the window waiting for her, like he had done for the past 7 years but this time with a smile because she was there with him. When Sona questioned him he didn't deny that he was waiting for her though not able to accept it for fear of a complete breakdown. They have to say the things that they have been hurt about for the healing to happen and it was just that. When he said that he missed hearing her voice the most and the silence was torturous to him it was a perfect throw back to the time after their first break up when he recorded her voice to hear it again and again. Though it was supposed to be their last conversation and it was a very hurtful good bye he still saved it. When he pulled her closer and she rested her head on his shoulders it felt the most natural thing. And she gave him a piece of Soha's child hood, made him a part of their memory though that memory was not a good one for her it was everything for him something he will cherish forever, that his daughter's first words were "Pa. Such a beautiful memory. He would have been pleased to just sit there with only that memory with her resting peacefully on his shoulders. Finally he is at peace. All is well in his world.

The next day Ishwari was excitedly waiting for her Bahu whom she had handed over all her responsibilities poore dil se. But her face lost that glow the moment she saw her Bhabi with the house keys. But Sona was quick to understand the hurt on Ishwari's face and correctly recognized the reason. She explained her side and I especially loved it when she said that she believed that she had fulfilled the responsibility given to her since when they both were not there it was mamiji who took care of everything and everyone. A very gentle reminder that we don't forget the ones who stood by us during bad times, something that Ishwari and Dev did inS1 when they gave a roof to the family who had lost everything in a night.



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Posted: 8 years ago

General response to the eviction thing (@Malika and Lakshmi): I don't want to talk too much more about this, since the point of my original post on the subject was to say, Sona and Dev have shelved this, so I will too. What I do want to clarify though, is that I don't think two wrongs make a right. Mistakes cannot cancel each other out, nor can they compensate for one another. Sona putting her parents' house up for mortgage was a stupid decision, and was a significant part of why they eventually got evicted. However, that doesn't lessen Dev/Vicky's culpability in throwing a family out onto the street in the middle of the night. Similarly, the guilt of Sona hiding Soha can never be lessened or erased by any of the mistakes Dev made , though he made many. Separate mistakes require separate redemption/apologies.


General response to the key thing (@Charu, Malika, Lakshmi, Rekha, Timbarucha): The more I think about it, the more Sona's move to give the keys back to Mami immediately seems like a calculated risk rather than a mistake. I completely agree with Timbarucha on the fact that consulting Ishwari before giving the keys to Mami would have nullified the effect of Sona's intention. In order to truly bamboozle Mami -- which she succeeded in doing -- she had to undermine Ishwari first, and hope to god that Ishwari would understand what she was trying to do.


I really liked that move because 1. Sona truly exercised the haq that Ishwari gave her, saying implicitly, "if you have given me the responsibility of the household sincerely, you also have to trust the decisions that I make for it. This can't just be a symbolic gesture where you retain all of the executive power." Ishwari had to come good on all the promises she has made Sona since the reconciliation. And 2. Sona took a risk; she knew that Ishwari might be upset and hurt, but she did what she thought was right, and more importantly, what was right for her. Dil ka faisla -- dimag se nahi -- sirf dil se. 😊


If she did accept Ishwari's decision without question, she would have constant antagonism from Mami to look forward to, something she is not interested in dealing with. Mami genuinely believes that Sona is just like her, out to get Dev's wealth. If that perception is genuinely shaken, as it was yesterday, even if it means Mami thinks Sona is an idiot, Sona saves herself, Dev, and Ishwari a lot of grief. Secondly, with the sequence of her actions, Sona silently established herself as an authority figure in Mami's mind. She made a decision without Ishwari's consent, and though initially hurt, Ishwari accepted that decision, and validated Sona as an independent, executive authority in the family. That is huge. Mami thinks she hit the jackpot with the physical keys, without realising that Sona retained the great power and responsibility that came with them. That's why Sona told Ishwari, you gave me a responsibility, and I think I have fulfilled it.


The beauty is, though, that Sona didn't do any of this with strategy in mind. She did it because she felt genuine empathy with Mami's feelings of being used and thrown. Mami is so crass and self-absorbed that people tend to forget that she too has feelings, but Sona showed that there is much to be achieved if those feelings are recognised and validated.That is a core S1 trait that I am excited to see return in her character, and the same trait that Dev was bursting with pride over in the episode. This woman who can set aside her own pain, and feel deeply for someone who has been as cruel to her as Mami has, is the woman he fell in love with. Now with the authority and support she needs to exercise that empathy as a governing principle of the IN household, Sona will be able to contribute significantly to its overall emotional health.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago

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