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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#271

What a lovely episode. Growth everywhere. But first things first. The actress who plays mami (Alka?) deserves an applause. I get her frustration and today she moved me. I understand it's all her doing after all. However, there really is no need to ruffle too many feathers and perhaps give her credit where it's due. Sonakshi is actually taking ownership of the breakup in her and Dev's hands this way.

As for handing back the keys. Today was lovely because Dev and sonakshi actually managed the trixits. Dev made sure he spoke to his mother before starting off on SR 2.0 and sonakshi made sure mami is calm and sona isn't burdened more than she can handle. Remember she already has Boses' keys (virtually).

She took a calculated risk here and followed through. Dev knew about it. So it's not like she was totally reckless.

How does it matter who has the keys?

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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#272

Originally posted by: Shaavi

What you said is true DQ. But the converse is true too. Is there no responsibility from Sonakshi or the Boses. Didn't she have any obligations to check on him. Why was every single responsibility from his side only. He had to do everything that a "husband" is supposed to do, but Sonakshi not being the "wife" nor fulfilling her "responsibilities" as a wife is ok. Why didn't Sonakshi not come back to check to see whether Dev was alive or dead?. Hadn't he told her numerous times that he will die without her. Doesn't/didn't she constantly say that she "knows" him. If so why didn't she think even for one minute about him. If we hold Dev in high standards, do we not hold Sonakshi in high standards too. If we hold her to high standards why should we not have expectations from her. And that is what I am trying to say.

This is the first time I am writing anything as I don't feel I am as good as most of you guys here. I started writing what I feel that is all. And that is what I tried to say. Equality is between two equals, what holds good for should hold good for the other. The measuring unit used for one should be the same for the other too. While holding one to high standards while discounting the same for the other is not equality from my perspective.

Once again my intention was never to hurt anyone. It was just that in trying to be positive I lost the same. Sorry.

Hey Shaavi.. you know I pretty much agree with you on almost all of your points about the show.😊 I haven't been following the discussions intently so I can't comment on the tone of the threads but to give Sam and DQ credit, I've always felt this place to be a safe haven. People have different opinions but the conversation is always respectful. Just the fact that you can have an open conversation about your discontent is a reflection of that. I do hope we get to read more of your in-depth analysis soon as I always find them insightful. 😃

Honestly speaking I don't hold Dev's decisions to not follow up on the Bose's as quite equal to Sona hiding about Soha. Dev's decision to not follow up on the Bose's is equalled by Sona's decision to not follow up on the Dixits. Neither is something they "had to" do but we would've all preferred it if they did. In that situation they had a choice. But as far as I feel, Sona had a moral, legal, ethical responsibility to inform Dev about Soha.

Frankly, I don't feel that Dev is all that culpable in the Bose's losing their home. GKB and Ishwari's words were harsh but there were other methods of dealing with returning the investment than by mortgaging the house. Dev advising Sona that it was a foolhardy decision to mortgage the house negated a big chunk of his culpability. If any of our spouses advised us that we were making a risky business decision most of us would stop and think twice. Sona knowingly chose to take a risk with her family's house out of nothing other than pride. We know Vicky took advantage over that situation but just as easily someone else could've done that. The point is that they chose to put themselves in that position. It was very very unfortunate but it was also a choice.

The other thing I'd argue is whether the Bose's were ever really in that dire of straights? They had a 5cr investment in a company that was likely to yield results soon enough. Sona was an exceptional well sought after nutritionist perfectly capable of working. Plus, correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I understand Dev never cashed that 4.5 cr cheque. So the Bose's basically had 4.5 cr sitting in a bank. If they wouldn't use that money out of pride (even though it was from the sale of their own house) then why would Dev think they would accept any help from him? This is not even counting the fact that now Dev knows they had Jatin as the rich, savior best friend. That's not to say it wasn't hard for the Bose's but it was their pride that made it harder than it needed to be. Worst case scenario, Sona could've always asked Dev for help.

Dev will feel guilty because that is his character. And frankly I do think to a certain extent it was out of character for him not to follow up on Sona. The fact that he was thrown out by Bijoy played a role in not wanting a big showdown if he tried to help. One of Dev's biggest flaws as a person is that he is conflict averse. When he is emotionally overwhelmed he seeks space and distance.

But in no way do I think that evens out Sona hiding Soha's existence. There was no real reason for Dev to miss out on Soha's childhood.

Edited by malikakas - 8 years ago

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timbarucha83

@timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#273

I would like to add another aspect related to key issue of this at this point I think it is the wise decision.because to get this power in the form of keys mami has done all this things. At this moment sona requires the peace of mind by which she can have more focus of dev and i know she want to bring back the sisters to make dixit family strong. See why mami was able to harm dev and ishu because dixit's was never a family. And mamiji has take all the efforts to reduced the strength of dixits. So from a long term point of view first dev and ishu must be in the form means ishu should be active in the home so if the keys remains with mami still it is ok but mami required to listen ishu and sona and ishu can be one team.so mami will use gui in programming tearmes and actual logic will be control by dixit sasa bahu.In the same way for dev also he required some time to get himself back in the control and for that he and sona should get time and feel that they are with each other so for that get the time being you required the peace in house .Eventually as the sisters come back and dev and ishu will be back in action like before dev and sona's separation things will move in correct direction.and you are true about vickki he want to be owner and mami only want the hold.but it is also true she will never harm dev or ishu as she loves them at certain point. There are possibility that mami and his red may not be together.which will make them weak.see to give the keys was the ishu's decision and mami has run the house with her benefit but if ishu becomes active in the house again then mami has to run the house but not with her own benefits as ishu is looking whats going on.some how i am positive this time nothing wrong will happen with dev sona and ishu as they have completed the punishment for their mistakes by wheel of karma.And in case to to bring the sisters back some one must take the efforts and at this moment dev is not in the position nor Ishu mata. I agree with the point that at this moment dev wants to be with sona. sona is the source of her happiness or his true self but. when sona was the part of dev's life dev was more brother to his sisters so over the period of time when dev will get himself back with the help of sona he want to take all the responsibilities and relations as he is the family man so at this moment due to the guilt of dev and guilt of ishu mata as she was the good mother to sisters she don't want to force her daughters but some one should start. I want after seeing the riya's reaction sona must stop and have a open communication with dev but should not force riya. If I am not mistaken soha will the first who unknowingly bring riya to dixit niwas and riya and nikki can be angry on dev and sona but cannot be on soha but for that first thought must come in the mind about dev ,sona and Ishu mata this will be done by sona's phone call. This is my take.

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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#274

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
@Rekha: I actually felt quite proud of the change in Sonakshi today! She dealt with the problem like Sonakshi and not like Ishwari's bahu, and that made me really happy. If Ishwari had bestowed this responsibility/honour on Sona 1.0, I feel like she would have bent over backwards to fulfill it. We could have kissed our competent nutritionist Dr. Bose goodbye and resigned ourselves to the permanent presence of benaras saris and gajra for miles, keys tinkling blithely at Mrs. Dixit Jr.'s waist.

But today, Sona didn't blindly follow Ishwari's will, she expressed what she wanted, and I think it was a really smart decision. What Ishwari did to Mami was hurtful, and not unlike what she did to Neha years ago: I am going to rely on you when I need to, strip you of power when I have better options, and call it all a favour. The fact is that, as Mami said, she has done the work. It may have been for selfish motives, but one can't deny that she maintained the basic livvability of IN, kept it clean and kept food on the table. In such a big house, that isn't nothing, and Dev and Ishwari benefitted directly from it.

Moreover, this wasn't said explicitly, but illustrated by the scene that followed Sona's return of the keys to Mami. She is tired after the last seven years; she desperately wants to rest her head on Dev's shoulder and forget the world. Those keys, that responsibility, the pedestal is starting to weigh heavy on her and she is beginning to have the courage to revoke it. I agree that she should have discussed it with Ishwari first, but her impulsive mistake gave us a chance to see Ishwari's genuine love for her now. She communicated clearly that she was hurt Sona hadn't told her, and really listened and understood when Sona explained her impulsiveness and apologised.

The way I saw it, Sona doesn't want to be right and in charge any more, as much as she wants to be loved and have peace of mind.

Interesting Sam.. because my impression was rather the opposite. For me this felt like classic Sona 1.0 who is obsessed with everyone liking her. She tends to go after the people that like her the least at the expense of the feelings of the people who like her the most. 😆

When Dadi bua was around, instead of focussing her attentions on developing a relationship with Ishwari she was hell bent on doing the opposite of whatever Ishwari advised.

Ishwari feeling slightly hurt that Sona didn't tell her earlier I think was a demonstration of Sona 1.0's flaws. Ishwari is the matriarch of the house. If Sona didn't want the responsibility or felt that Ishwari had been unfair to Mami, Sona should've discussed that with Ishwari first. Given Ishwari a chance to rectify her mistake.

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timbarucha83

@timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#275

Originally posted by: malikakas

Interesting Sam.. because my impression was rather the opposite. For me this felt like classic Sona 1.0 who is obsessed with everyone liking her. She tends to go after the people that like her the least at the expense of the feelings of the people who like her the most. 😆

When Dadi bua was around, instead of focussing her attentions on developing a relationship with Ishwari she was hell bent on doing the opposite of whatever Ishwari advised.

Ishwari feeling slightly hurt that Sona didn't tell her earlier I think was a demonstration of Sona 1.0's flaws. Ishwari is the matriarch of the house. If Sona didn't want the responsibility or felt that Ishwari had been unfair to Mami, Sona should've discussed that with Ishwari first. Given Ishwari a chance to rectify her mistake.

No I think it must have give the more negative impact. I can tell you this with my own real life experience it had the double negative impact that first jiji has taken it and after when bangalan told her she gives me back.I agree she should have first communicated to ishu mata then return but keys return must be done by sona. And yes I can fell the differnce in sona. This is not sona 1.0 I agree with the @Samanalyse thoughts.

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malikakas

@malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#276

Originally posted by: timbarucha83
No I think it must have give the more negative impact. I can tell you this with my own real life experience it had the double negative impact that first jiji has taken it and after when bangalan told her she gives me back.I agree she should have first communicated to ishu mata then return but keys return must be done by sona. And yes I can fell the differnce in sona. This is not sona 1.0 I agree with the @Samanalyse thoughts.

Fair point about Sona being the one to give it back. But my worry is less with Mami but more about the longer term impact on Ishwari and Sona's relationship. To appease Mami, is it okay to hurt Ishwari's feelings? For me it was very similar to something like Sona trying to appease Ishwari by agreeing to the vrat without taking Dev's feelings into consideration. Those things didn't have any short term impact but they did have a long term impact.

But I guess we will see with time where the writers are going with this.

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 8 years ago

#277

@ Shaavi @ mallika

I don't know why but I always agree with your views that are in sink with my thought process.

I also consider Sona not telling about Soha the as biggest offence and all other wrongs done by Dev,Iswari,GKB Vicky. Bijoy pale in comparison.

I can not take the excuse that Dev did not follow up Sona's situation so she is right in hiding the truth. Like mallika said Sonakshi has the reputation to face the situation as the top nutritionist of the city. Bijoy's misbehaviour with Dev must have thrown him into a state of confusion. He must have felt that Sonakshi would never accept his help. Morally what Sonakshi did is not a mistake but a crime,a sin She denied the father's right to know about his daughter.

Sonakshi again like mallika said has the tendency to go out of the way to please and win those who dislike her. In that process she would take it for granted and offend those who genuinely love her the most. In s1 she hurt Dev by overriding him and not paying attention to his advices Case in point he asked her not to change herself and turn into Kichu bhaiyya.but Sonakshi went on doing her own wish. Sona hurt Dev for Iswari,and then she hurt Iswari to please dadi bua.

Sadly her mode of operation did not change even now. I was vexed with the way she dealt with the keys. Why should she go out of her way to see that GKB is not hurt? She did not even wait for the next day so that she can discuss the matter with the one who so lovingly gave the keys to her. Iswari genuinely must have wanted to take away the power that GKB is enjoying till now. What is wrong with that? She now knows what is good for her son and her house.

Sonakshi did not bother about Iswari's feelings. Bus. Radha Rani should be appeased. That is her wish.Luckily now Iswari is untouched by these things.

In all this the one who suffered the most or I may say must have felt disappointed is Dev. As usual he comes last in Sonakshi's priority list. Poor Dev sat waiting for her to come and share some quality time but Sonakshi did not look interested in doing so. She is used to hear Dev admitting his feelings,how he missed her so on and so forth. But she just told him how Soha uttered the word papa and gone to sleep. So emotionless.

Sonakshi lacks the fire,the anguish,the urge that surely are associated with the earnest lovers when they get to spend time after a long spell of separation. I doubt now. Shaavi must have assessed correctly. She never loved Dev . She fell in love with Iswari,Iswari nivas and the ambience of IN that she very much craves for. She happily can accept the bonus that is attached to IN RR Vicky...

Now her whole focus will be on the sisters. One more challenge for Sonakshi,the achiever.

Good going Sonakshi. I should blame myself to expect that you will realise the value of Dev's love for you. Sorry for that.

Lakshmi

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 8 years ago

#278

@ Sam

I agree to disagree with you on the keys issue. It is fine if she doesn't want to take the responsibility. But the way she did it is not at all acceptable to me. She could have waited to tell Iswari her thought and then go to RR. Her excuse that it was too late at night also did not look convincing. If she can approach RR at that time why can't she go to Iswari? She is answerable to Iswari since not RR she is the rightful owner. Sonakshi did not maintain the decorum again. I am not proud that she acted as Sonakshi but not Iswari's bahu. I feel she is the same. Hurting those who love her and taking them for granted. She misuses the lpower of their love for her.

Lakshmi

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aparna_krpkab

@aparna_krpkab

Explorer

Posted: 8 years ago

#279

So the consensus is , husband who evicted his wife's family, intentionally or unintentionally slapped his FIL, didn't give moral and emotional support to his wife when his family members insulted her to the extent that they forgot infertility is a medical condition, is Mahaan...and the wife who has undergone all miseries alone, should have informed him when God bless her with a child to heal all her sorrows...I am sorry if I hurt anyone this reasoning as same as people saying girls get raped because of their revealing cloths...I don't have anything else to say...end of the day now I understand why we have saas-bahu problems...because a woman cannot stand another woman be righteous

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Danseuse

@Danseuse

Inactive

Posted: 8 years ago

#280

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
@Rekha: I actually felt quite proud of the change in Sonakshi today! She dealt with the problem like Sonakshi and not like Ishwari's bahu, and that made me really happy. If Ishwari had bestowed this responsibility/honour on Sona 1.0, I feel like she would have bent over backwards to fulfill it. We could have kissed our competent nutritionist Dr. Bose goodbye and resigned ourselves to the permanent presence of benaras saris and gajra for miles, keys tinkling blithely at Mrs. Dixit Jr.'s waist.

But today, Sona didn't blindly follow Ishwari's will, she expressed what she wanted, and I think it was a really smart decision. What Ishwari did to Mami was hurtful, and not unlike what she did to Neha years ago: I am going to rely on you when I need to, strip you of power when I have better options, and call it all a favour. The fact is that, as Mami said, she has done the work. It may have been for selfish motives, but one can't deny that she maintained the basic livvability of IN, kept it clean and kept food on the table. In such a big house, that isn't nothing, and Dev and Ishwari benefitted directly from it.

Moreover, this wasn't said explicitly, but illustrated by the scene that followed Sona's return of the keys to Mami. She is tired after the last seven years; she desperately wants to rest her head on Dev's shoulder and forget the world. Those keys, that responsibility, the pedestal is starting to weigh heavy on her and she is beginning to have the courage to revoke it. I agree that she should have discussed it with Ishwari first, but her impulsive mistake gave us a chance to see Ishwari's genuine love for her now. She communicated clearly that she was hurt Sona hadn't told her, and really listened and understood when Sona explained her impulsiveness and apologised.

The way I saw it, Sona doesn't want to be right and in charge any more, as much as she wants to be loved and have peace of mind.

That's a very different perspective and I am happy to be a small part of this thread mainly due to the varying views expressed here. I do agree that Sonakshi's action was noble and perhaps she wanted to focus on rebuilding her relationship with Dev, but again it was hastily done and the reason was because she felt that XGKB has not been given her due. Isnt that Ishwari's decision? Also the way she chose to do it was definitely the old Sonakshi. She behaved like Bijoy w/out giving a damn about the consequences that could arise in future because she felt she is right. Irrespective of whether the deed would turn in her favour or backfire later, I always believe that you should act after thinking. Ishwari acted with a lot of maturity and am glad that she has definitely changed for the better. Why was this scene significant is perhaps the manner in which XGKB may use it in future - if Vicky is caught and they have to run away, then the keys to the safe could be their short cut to wealth. Lets hope that Creatives have something else in mind. 😊

-Rekha