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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Shaavi: Thanks! I think we may disagree slightly about the Dev-Golu relationship, but I am not entirely sure, so I will try to make it clearer where I stand at the moment. Dev is certainly aware that he is not Golu's father. He feels no responsibility towards Golu's upbringing, but participates insofar as it makes him feel good to do so. So I conjecture that his relationship with Golu is more for himself than for the kid. As I said in an earlier post, Dev is happiest as a nurturer and Golu fulfills that urge in him to take care of people.


I also think he feels a kinship with the child, since both of them are unwanted by their families, except for material purposes -- Dev as the accumulator of wealth, and Golu as its heir. Their relationship is not of the parent-child variety, but there is a genuine co-dependence there. I don't think it was a coincidence that Dev showed up at home just when Golu was due from school -- he was disturbed after his encounter with Sona and this is the first person he thought of coming to.


Dev being his new self, he doesn't want to betray how attached he actually is to this child, especially not to people who would use it to their advantage but I think he and Golu know that the attachment is there. And now, Vicky is getting an inkling as well. You might be right about him creating his own trading company (that would be a super-easy way to show him losing 500cr in a heartbeat), but I think he is much more likely to try and pull Dev back so he can do all the work. I think Golu will become a chip to play in that game.


But here is where I do think it will backfire. Taking away Golu will be taking away Dev's one source of emotional nourishment. If Vicky does this assuming Dev won't abandon his son, but Dev does, hiding his pain from the world, that leaves a ripe moment (story-wise) for Soha to enter his life. Vicky is forced to reckon with the fact that he alienated his son from Dev just as his true heir showed up on the scene. I think that would be really interesting


@Shaavi, Rekha, Payal: Very interesting discussions about how Soha's entry will affect Dev-Golu/Dev-Family's relationships. I am also curious to see how gender will play into this. Ishwari always defaulted to 'pota' when she talked about potential grandchildren, and GKB is definitely of the opinion that only men can be the scions of the house. It will be very interesting to see this issue come up as Dev will defnitely not see it in the same light. Ishwari's reaction when it comes to the issue of inheritance remains a bit fuzzy. She will definitely be over the moon at Dev's progeny, but will she stick to the idea that women are taken care of until marriage, and it is men who inherit wealth? Will Dev write everything off to Golu and walk away to be with his own family in the end?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gmgi


Hi Asha I don't know if I can do justice to your question. But I will try.

Ishwari is a person with a definite understanding of the right and wrong. She believes herself to be a good person. And especially because of the position her son put her in she needed validation from her conscience. That is why she uses RR to spew the venom and doesn't control her when she wants the message to reach the other person. Because she is guilty of using RR she gives unwarranted freedom to her.

She knew Sona even before RR entered the picture and genuinely liked her as a person. So when Dev fell in love with her she didn't have any reasons to feel bad. But Sona's goodness fanned Ishwari's insecurity because basically Sona and Ishwari were of the same mold. They both gave importance to family and relationships and respected the elders and so on. Hence she started seeing Sona through RR's eyes. That was the only way she could validate her actions to her conscience. That is why the things Vicki and RR did has to come out. Ishwari will have no where to hide and will be forced to introspect.
Her blaming Sona is genuinely because that is what she believes. According to her a woman's identity is defined by the relationship she hold true. She accepts Sona's role as a daughter and a sister when she went with her parents after the slap incident. But Sona was also Dev's wife and Dixit DIL. It was Sona's duty to be true to these roles too. That is why she asked Sona to apologize. By leaving the house and Dev, Sona failed to fulfill her duty as a wife and DIL of the family and inadvertently broke her family.
Post leap the history is going to repeat itself with the same players but their equations are totally changed. Ishwari has to blame Sona and resist her as much as possible or else how else will she see what she did to her family by treating her son's wife as an outsider and listened to RR and how much a role she herself played in breaking her home?





Geena, your analysis seems quite apt!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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The analyses and discussions on this thread are going quite well. I am particularly enjoying the analysis of the story and how the characters are shaping in the new terrain. Thank you everyone for keeping this critical yet productive.

Golu's role in the story has been at the back of my mind from Day 1. He is serving many purposes. He seems to be the reason Elena was chained to the Dixits. He is the recipient of the 'love' that Dev can/wants to/would allow himself to share. He will now potentially become the reason how/why Dixits or Dev are exposed to Soha and he is the only heir to Dev's fortunes (which as many of you know makes no sense to me. It's not Dev's fortune. It belongs to Ishwari, Dev, Neha, Nikki and Riya and if anyone should be the heir, it should be the kids of the sisters and Dev ((if he ends up having any kids - biological or otherwise). Never mind DQ. Do not strain your limited grey cells). So Soha wont be very popular with Vicky and RR.

However, the barren jhula and its latest occupant has left me confused. If Dev's Iife went in reverse and his room is back to grey, blue and black, what is that jhula doing in their courtyard - in plain sight and a rather loud reminder of Sonakshi? The evil and the not-so-evil people in Ishwari Niwas would both like that out of sight, won't they? Dev may have acted all cool about it and shown detachment either way but everyone over there has given up on any hopes of Sona coming back. The barren-ness of the jhula probably signifies the fact that Sonkashi could not bear children (in dixits' minds) and the infertility issue is what loaded the gun before the 5 crore trigger was pulled. What was RR doing sitting on that barren jhula? Was it a symbolic representation of how RR is now the queen thanks to Sona's infertility issues?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

She will definitely be over the moon at Dev's progeny, but will she stick to the idea that women are taken care of until marriage, and it is men who inherit wealth? Will Dev write everything off to Golu and walk away to be with his own family in the end?


A changed Ishwari is what I have always wanted to see - her thoughts and actions. Regarding Dev, I admired the character as he is self-made and shown to be a very shrewd and intelligent businessman who knows his money's worth. Leaving his wealth for Golu would be depriving his family (Sonakshi-Soha) of his own hard earned money. I don't think he would do that! After all, he is not living off bread and rotis, His lifestyle is still being maintained as he lives in a hotel and drives a hi-end bike! I want to see Dev's brilliant mind here. He knows to manipulate - esp. he has done this with Sonakshi - pre-marriage days. This time let it be for his business.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Jade0001
Some how initialy I was able to relate to the Ishu. But when she take a sign of Dev on the Prenup lI am not able to relate it.And Now I am not able to feel nay thing for her because she still want to live in her bubble. In every mother there is some part of Ishawari. Even I see this element in my own mother but some how you required to control it. At some point my mother is also insure or protective about me she want to know what is happening in my life. but that percentage is very less . she trust me and my decision. I am very fortunate I get the mother and father who allow to me take my own decision some how If they do not like my decision they never stop me. Even At some point I don't like the behavior of Bijoy also.

What Ishu is facing this is called as weel of Karma. First she donot want to see the pain of his own son. Created the issue of every small thing for what is happening in dev's life and try to control and manipulate it for her selfish behavior. Now she is paying the price for it. I feel every character in the show it this moment paying the price of the karma. That include dev and sona also. They are having there payback time.

By the thanks for commenting on my post 😊

@Shaavi

I aggree with your point Dev knows that he is not a father of Golu. and Golu also knows this that dev is his bicha not father. when soha will come in the picture the equation may change but that balance can be get managed wih the help of sona.

@_Payalj_

I aggree with your point when Soha will come in to picture dev will definitly give more attention to soha which is quite right. she is daughter of dev which he wants always. At this point may be vikki and mami is not thinking that Golu can be dev's hair in future but I think at this moment I think they are not intersted in money but if the planning vikki is doing get failed then they can think in that way. and after soha's entry as dev and sona's daugther if they ever think to harm soha for any reason then I think they will be finished and at that point golu's love also not able to save them from dev and sona.

Lastly Thanks for all who are reading my Posts and commenting on them.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#76
@Sam it would never be accepted by the audience if they show Dev handing over his property to the tripathi Family.
Firstly it would mean evil wins secondly means hero is a quitter thirdly Indian audience usually doesn't appreciate a poor hero with a rich wife.

Jokes apart I feel that vicky is going to lose everything in the long run and his and elena marriage, being a fair weather relationship will fall apart. Since both don't have the parental gene, they will not be interested in Golu and he will be adopted or taken over by Dev and Sona. I also feel that once Dev and Sona start living together (which I am sure is going to happen soon whether through hook or through crook), Sona will automatically start caring for the neglected Golu, hence the adoption in future.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gmgi


Her blaming Sona is genuinely because that is what she believes. According to her a woman's identity is defined by the relationship she hold true. She accepts Sona's role as a daughter and a sister when she went with her parents after the slap incident. But Sona was also Dev's wife and Dixit DIL. It was Sona's duty to be true to these roles too. That is why she asked Sona to apologize. By leaving the house and Dev, Sona failed to fulfill her duty as a wife and DIL of the family and inadvertently broke her family.


Geena, add my name to the list of people who are thrilled that you started writing more! All your pots have been so insightful, and your analysis of Ishwari is no different. 👏

All things said and done, I don't think she ever expected Sona to actually leave the marriage. As she said when Vicky and Elena were married, she didn't believe in breaking relationships once formed. Unfortuntely, she did believe in wringing all the pleasantness out of them to maintain some kind of order she perceived as being disturbed. Sona was supposed to be a second-class citizen in Dev's life, another subject under the Dev-Ishwari rule, and she was supposed to be grateful for it. She is angry at Sona for not accepting that reality and refusing to be part of a relationship made empty by Ishwari's machinations.

Dev's love made Sona Ishwari's equal. Her opinions, her moods, and her presence affected Dev just as much, and it was because of Sona that Ishwari began to discover how much her son was really hiding from her. Unable to pin blame on what she saw as an extension of herself, she flipped the equation and convinced herself that he was hiding things because of Sona. This is where your analysis of RR's role makes so much sense. Ishwari knew Sona was a wonderful, unselfish, and honourable person, but she felt that she was a cunning schemer, trying to separate her from her son. RR's venemous words helped Ishwari spin the entire story around to validate her feelings instead of her knowledge.

But there is poetic justice in that Ishwari's only hope of getting through to Dev now is through the mention of Sona. She can see that there is still pain there, and she is trying to find an entry so she can soothe it but Dev has shut her out completely.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Rekha: That is precisely the point. Dev is a self-made man. Even if he hands everything over to Vicky, he now has the skills and contacts to build it back up with relatively little effort. From the beginning, Dev has maintained that money is not as important as relationships -- he built a fortune from scratch once and he can do it again. Plus, Sona is also doing very well now, so in the distant future when this comes up, I wouldn't consider it a high price to pay for getting his family off of his back. He already told Ishwari that he has completed his responsibility towards them. Plus, I would love to see Dev living happily on Sona's money to prove to her once and for all that the ebb and flow of money does not really matter to him; he considers it a tool, and as long as he has enough to live the way he wants, he doesn't mind where it comes from.

@Payal: Why should it not be accepted if Dev is in control and doing with full agency? I think it would be a cool ultimatum -- my money or me? It's kind of already the path he's on now, giving Vicky his own company and washing his hands off of his family after settling them with a comfortable sum. Of course, I have no doubt that Vicky will reduce them to bankruptcy -- really should have done that training program, mere red -- but first he will try everything to make sure Dev doesn't stop working.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I want to add one more point related to Ishu's behavior. When As a person you don't have your own world you try to find in the other person and make him as your own world. This is the root cause of the problem for Ishu.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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