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Posted: 8 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: _Payalj_

Yesterday was a great comic respite though felt like strangling Bijoy. Let him continue. One day he will lose his daughter the way Ishwari has lost her son. I know several people are feeling sorry for Ishwari but I don't. Its not the first time that she failed to see the pain in her sons eyes. It has always been like that. For her Dev has always been like a beloved pet. Sit, stand up or wag your tail at my command. Only appreciate me.

During the first break up could she see the pain in her son's eyes. She happily ignored his feelings till he burst out on her. After the five crore fiasco did she make any effort for reconciliation. Even Radharani could observe that Dev was not eating properly and was very restless. So its not her sons pain that affects her. It is the fact that he has stopped wagging his tail for her. Her cute laborador who was ready to give his life for her has stopped letting her control his life.

Coming to Sonakshi she is very angry - for the past 7 years. I think she was secretly waiting for Dev to say sorry and come back but he didn't. Add to it Bijoy's poison and we have today's Sonakshi who has literally become a stone. I strongly feel that they would show that Dev had helped her in her business, so that Sona realises that Dev had not forgotten all these years.






Yes it's very hard to feel sorry for ish. She has destroyed so many lives with her insecurities that I feel like dev - emotionless. Also the fact that she continues to blame sona is getting tiresome. Both mother & son need serious medical intervention.

With half of the cast having disappeared @ the remaining having their own agenda who will bell the cat?

Will sona come as a savior or will it be the tried & tested kid getting the parents back. Cvs seem to have no concrete plot & there are so many questions with no answers in sight.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Seconding Deepa's delight at the wonderful writers and thoughts emerging on this thread! 😃👏


Here are some of my thoughts on the ongoing story:

That moment where Dev was looking for "his Sona" (from the flashbacks) in the angry face before him was very beautiful. It also echoed Ishwari's dialogue of looking for "her Dev" in this new avatar. Dev remembered the smiling, glowing face (is chehere mein sab kuch hai) that he once loved with all his heart, and was a little disoriented to see this cold, unmoving facade before him. I liked how he stared at her face intently, looking for any little sign of the warmth and compassion that used to be it's trademark. I'm afraid you have debarred yourself from seeing that when you took it for granted, Dev babu, not unlike what your mother did with you. Now she is also not allowed to see the Dev she once knew so well.

But Sona's facade isn't as convincing as Dev's, because Dev wasn't only looking for the happy and in-love Sona. Since he loved all of her (unlike Ishwari with him), he could recognise any part of her that he knew and loved well. Her anger and indignation, her tendency to make impulsive decisions in anger (hello, pot, I'm kettle), and her permanent residence on the moral high ground gave him the glimpse he was looking for, and suddenly, he was on very solid ground, and knew exactly how to put the sting in her victory. I have to confess, I laughed mercielssly during Dev and Sona's interaction. 😈 That 5-minute decision-wala dialogue (apparently Sona's Rajnikanth-style motto now) which sounded so imposing when Sona said it to her employee, suddenly sounded very trite when she said it in front of a bemused Dev.

From the time of the award function, she has been trying to shake him with her success and her ruthless-business-woman avatar, but Dev isn't buying it for a second, nor is that the place where she holds power over him. Where it comes to business and his outside persona, Dev has no vulnerability. Sona has been cultivating her thick skin for the past seven years; Dev has been at it since he was seven (plus one -- allow me the cool turn of phrase 😛). He took away the essence of her victory at the award show by stealing her moment; here, he did it by stealing her control of the situation and putting the handcuffs on himself. She didn't get him arrested; he chose to be arrested. But there was a promising glimmer of hope for Sona's good sense when she called and had him released. This is where she holds sway over Dev. Her empathy disarms and humbles him and her indifference is what really gets under his skin, not her success, and certainly not her lofty speeches.

It was telling that at the end of the day, Sona messaged her mother and not her father. Though it is subtler, she is also blocking Bijoy out the way Dev is doing to Ishwari. It started in the matter of Soha's decision whether or not to meet her papa, and it's been ongoing in her efforts to exile Gunni as much as possible, and releasing Dev. It's becoming clearer and clearer that she does not want to deal with her father directly. She is slipping away from him as Bijoy tightens his hold. Sounds vaguely familiar...

Finally the issue of Golu. I know it was only a split-second, but I read a lot into Vicky's reaction. I think he hasn't really paid attention until now to the bond between Dev and Golu, but now that Dev is in his bad books for shutting down the company, Vicky is on high alert. For one thing, I think he will become bitter that Golu loves Dev more than him. Vicky has always been entitled, and he will assert that Golu should love him more just for being his father. Secondly, I think he will end up using Golu as a pawn in getting what he wants from Dev. Isn't that the story of Dev's life? Golu is the one thing that is holding him to sanity at this point; he is definitely a stand-in for Sona in that way. Take him away, and Dev becomes completely broken once more, merely an ATM for his parasitic relatives.
Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi everyone!! I love to visit this thread and to put my thoughts. So thank you for creating this thread.

No coming to the yesterday's episode I want to discuss some of the points which I like.
Firstly in the dev and sona's conversation for some time dev and sona has actually seen the each other's sole and then they put there mask again. When Dev was leaving with the police officer. For faction of seconds I feel I saw the pain sona's eyes. and when soha come outside she put the mask again.
Dear sona do you relay feel that now on words your and dev's paths are not going to be get crossed each other. Then in that case you must not have come to Delhi
And In the loby of the hotel when the Inspector said that sona has taken a back a complaint and the reason is that he donot want to have any kind of association with dev not even in any form. This irriates dev a lot. because now with the sona's presence dev's mask is statring to ware off.

Secondly now coming to baba bose. He has started following the same path on which ishu was. If he is not able to stop himself he may loose the soan and soha both. Because when the misunderstanding between the dev and sona related to Bose house and prenup will be cleared then Sona is definitely re-grate about the decision which was taken 7 years back. At that point both will understand what they have lost. They have lost 7 previous years from there life as a couple and most importantly as Mother ans father. Lets see what happen.

Now Last Ishu mata. I don't feel sorry for her where she is standing now its because of her only. Can you tell me why we have a mamaji's character what is the use of him in season 2. because now no one can reach to dev expect golu to some extend other then sona.

Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#64
@ timbarucha83

Let me start with Ishwari first

she has from the beginning of this show been my favorite then came her insecurities but in little doses and at that time I felt maybe all mothers at some point become insecure if their son does not reassure with words that nothing will change but then came the heaviness of more insecurity I didn't hate character just felt she was pulling Dev away from his happiness and she has been blinded by that
fact but yesterday I felt her pain a mother wanting just to comfort her son yet she no longer has that right so yes I did feel bad for the mother in her .

Dev and Sona coming face to face while she holds arrogance Dev holds tinges of pain and sadness
yet when the police arrives he has a bitter smile , he is irked and it seems saddened too by her behavior .
Dev handcuffing himself threw Sona off balance she was indeed not expecting that she thought he would put up a fight but instead he too confirms Sona's words its as if he is trying to say no matter what she does to him he will gladly accept that pain but yes the moment he walks away
Sona has pain in her eyes in her face and I'm sure had he turned around he would have saw exactly her deep pain her vulnerable state
I'm not how these two will let out their pain or realize their emotions needs venting in the right direction
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Posted: 8 years ago
#65
Hi Deepa, thank you so much. You are too kind.😳 Honestly I am not a writer. I love to read and just love this thread. But you have boosted my confidence. Thank you again😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Seconding Deepa's delight at the wonderful writers and thoughts emerging on this thread!😃👏


Here are some of my thoughts on the ongoing story:

That moment where Dev was looking for "his Sona" (from the flashbacks) in the angry face before him was very beautiful. It also echoed Ishwari's dialogue of looking for "her Dev" in this new avatar. Dev remembered the smiling, glowing face (is chehere mein sab kuch hai) that he once loved with all his heart, and was a little disoriented to see this cold, unmoving facade before him. I liked how he stared at her face intently, looking for any little sign of the warmth and compassion that used to be it's trademark. I'm afraid you have debarred yourself from seeing that when you took it for granted, Dev babu, not unlike what your mother did with you. Now she is also not allowed to see the Dev she once knew so well.

But Sona's facade isn't as convincing as Dev's, because Dev wasn't only looking for the happy and in-love Sona. Since he loved all of her (unlike Ishwari with him), he could recognise any part of her that he knew and loved well. Her anger and indignation, her tendency to make impulsive decisions in anger (hello, pot, I'm kettle), and her permanent residence on the moral high ground gave him the glimpse he was looking for, and suddenly, he was on very solid ground, and knew exactly how to put the sting in her victory. I have to confess, I laughed mercielssly during Dev and Sona's interaction. 😈That 5-minute decision-wala dialogue (apparently Sona's Rajnikanth-style motto now) which sounded so imposing when Sona said it to her employee, suddenly sounded very trite when she said it in front of a bemused Dev.

From the time of the award function, she has been trying to shake him with her success and her ruthless-business-woman avatar, but Dev isn't buying it for a second, nor is that the place where she holds power over him. Where it comes to business and his outside persona, Dev has no vulnerability. Sona has been cultivating her thick skin for the past seven years; Dev has been at it since he was seven (plus one -- allow me the cool turn of phrase😛). He took away the essence of her victory at the award show by stealing her moment; here, he did it by stealing her control of the situation and putting the handcuffs on himself. She didn't get him arrested; he chose to be arrested. But there was a promising glimmer of hope for Sona's good sense when she called and had him released. This is where she holds sway over Dev. Her empathy disarms and humbles him and her indifference is what really gets under his skin, not her success, and certainly not her lofty speeches.

It was telling that at the end of the day, Sona messaged her mother and not her father. Though it is subtler, she is also blocking Bijoy out the way Dev is doing to Ishwari. It started in the matter of Soha's decision whether or not to meet her papa, and it's been ongoing in her efforts to exile Gunni as much as possible, and releasing Dev. It's becoming clearer and clearer that she does not want to deal with her father directly. She is slipping away from him as Bijoy tightens his hold. Sounds vaguely familiar...

Finally the issue of Golu. I know it was only a split-second, but I read a lot into Vicky's reaction. I think he hasn't really paid attention until now to the bond between Dev and Golu, but now that Dev is in his bad books for shutting down the company, Vicky is on high alert. For one thing, I think he will become bitter that Golu loves Dev more than him. Vicky has always been entitled, and he will assert that Golu should love him more just for being his father. Secondly, I think he will end up using Golu as a pawn in getting what he wants from Dev. Isn't that the story of Dev's life? Golu is the one thing that is holding him to sanity at this point; he is definitely a stand-in for Sona in that way. Take him away, and Dev becomes completely broken once more, merely an ATM for his parasitic relatives.



Wonderful thoughts Sam!!! Take a bow 👏 .

I agree with most of everything, but am not sure of using Golu to advantage by Vickky. I feel that Dev even though loves Golu still is aware that he is not his father and it is Vickky. In the last week's episode, he gave an idea what he thinks of Vickky and his capabilities, both in office and at home. The scene where Dev reveals that Sona is in town was very telling for me. It was like "I love Golu, but will not let that love give you power over me". He subtly hints to Elena to take Golu from there.

I also feel that whatever Vickky is planning is going to backfire in a big way. It did not seem like Vickky has developed any business acumen although he likes to pretend that he is a great businessman. My guess after yesterday's episode is that he will try to create his own trading company thinking that he can make enormous profits like Dev. But a trading company is like a two edged sword. You need to constantly pay attention and know the right moment to get in and out. This means you have to work hard and pay attention to detail.

Vickky was not even aware of the award function let alone that Sonakshi won an award. This for is clear that though Vickky thinks and pretends that he knows how to run a business, he actually has no idea. Chances are he will fail miserably(or is it my wishful thinking... maybe 😉 😛 )

Another thing is his dialogue to Ishwari in the initial episode after leap where he tells her that he has settled them and so he feels his responsibilities are complete. That he wants to live his life his way. At that time too he loved Golu.

This equation with Golu might change when Soha comes into picture. Will Dev not want to be in his daughters life more than Golu's life. I mean even if he does things for Golu like attending PTM, he still left him and went to the award function. Chances are that you would not do that with your kid, especially if she is your world. And I think Soha will be that person(like how Dev used to drop everything if Ishwari asked). He might not put Soha on a pedestal, but she will become a very important person in his life for sure.

Dev probably will become like how maamaji was for him with respect to Golu.

This is just my take and POV... 😆
Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The other thing definitely was Vickky's reaction to De - Golu bonding. I felt Vickky is now tolerating it to gain what he has got and Dev has been tolerating Vickky for Elena and Golu's sake. But now that "tolerance"is waning, from both sides.

Vickky thinks that there are no more eggs left in the goose and hence he no longer has much use for it. Dev thinks 500cr assets is enough for Vickky and Golu to last their lifetime.

My guess is Vickky will no longer try to hide his true self coming out in front of Ishwari. He has been portraying as though he is the one working hard and that he cares and respects Dev. But going forward, not sure he will keep that up.

Also previously Ishwari could blackmail Dev using the ehsaan. But now Ishwari does not have that kind of pull. GKB and Vickky might manipulate Ishwari, but will that have much effect on Dev???. I don't think it will...

Also once Ishwari comes to know of her grandchild of Dev, will she still listen to maami about keeping her away???. Ishwari would want anything that will give her another opportunity with Dev...

Looks like all the truths are poised to be revealed in a very short period of time.

Just my take...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Samanalyse and @Shaavi : Very good flow of thoughts. I agree with Shaavi that Vicky can no longer fool with Dev because the present Dev would not bother to listen to Ishwari. But Golu is a sore point. Vicky may lose everything if Devrath Dixit chooses to. The fact that after changing so much, Dev still rules and has a final say in business proves that Vicky presumes he has learnt everything, but obviously that's his over confidence. He could end up losing the 500 crores and land on the streets. Then Elena's photography may come to the rescue and ex-GKB would come back to GKB. Life comes full circle, doesn't it? 😃

The Creatives can take so many leaves by only visiting this thread!

Kudos to the writers here. It's so nice to read different perspectives.


-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Golu is important for Dev till he meets Soha. The love would still be there but it would wane in comparison to love for Soha. For instance Soha and Golu both want to listen to a story on their respective beds - who do you think Dev will entertain first? Or if he had limited time, only whom he will entertain?
He might ask Golu to sit on Soha's bed and listen but the entitlement will be of Soha and adjustment will be for Golu.

Nothing wrong about it and totally natural. It is the way the world works. It's not Dev's fault that golus parents are pigs.

One must also note that Dev's affection for Golu stems out of the fact that he pities the poor neglected child. But would he let that affection make him neglect his own child? never.

Ishwari has always lived under the illusion that Dev can't love anyone more than her. Even today she feels that he is angry and sad because of Sona. What would she do when she realises that Dev loves Soha more than her? I shudder to think what this vile self-centered woman can do.

Add to it Vicky's hatred for Soha because till now he is harbouring the illusion that Golu will be Dev's heir. Yesterday he had a very cunning look when he was observing Dev Golu bond as if evaluating it's worth.

But Now everything shall belong to Soha and Golu shall become the poor relative like vicky. Vicky is not going to take this lying down.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Asha I don't know if I can do justice to your question. But I will try.

Ishwari is a person with a definite understanding of the right and wrong. She believes herself to be a good person. And especially because of the position her son put her in she needed validation from her conscience. That is why she uses RR to spew the venom and doesn't control her when she wants the message to reach the other person. Because she is guilty of using RR she gives unwarranted freedom to her.

She knew Sona even before RR entered the picture and genuinely liked her as a person. So when Dev fell in love with her she didn't have any reasons to feel bad. But Sona's goodness fanned Ishwari's insecurity because basically Sona and Ishwari were of the same mold. They both gave importance to family and relationships and respected the elders and so on. Hence she started seeing Sona through RR's eyes. That was the only way she could validate her actions to her conscience. That is why the things Vicki and RR did has to come out. Ishwari will have no where to hide and will be forced to introspect.
Her blaming Sona is genuinely because that is what she believes. According to her a woman's identity is defined by the relationship she hold true. She accepts Sona's role as a daughter and a sister when she went with her parents after the slap incident. But Sona was also Dev's wife and Dixit DIL. It was Sona's duty to be true to these roles too. That is why she asked Sona to apologize. By leaving the house and Dev, Sona failed to fulfill her duty as a wife and DIL of the family and inadvertently broke her family.
Post leap the history is going to repeat itself with the same players but their equations are totally changed. Ishwari has to blame Sona and resist her as much as possible or else how else will she see what she did to her family by treating her son's wife as an outsider and listened to RR and how much a role she herself played in breaking her home?


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