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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pankhi33

i don't agree completely with this as i don't think each love story needs to have redemption track only because the lead couples fought/caused pain to each other. And not esp for Dev and Sonakshi. As much as they were living their dreams when in love they know the bitter truth for their breakup and for a son who has worshiped his mother, sonakshi cannot expect Dev to leave his mother or break her heart. she was admitted in hospital, he was feeling guilty and while what he did was wrong he acknowledges that he has done wrong with sonakshi but it doesn't mean he loves her less. I could be the only viewer maybe that is happy with the way the script has been written and story developed.

Perhaps an acknowledgement from Dev to Sonakshi that he did wrong will be good but i think it would be fairly tale thing if he has to woo his lady love back and in real life it doesn't happen.
Today's episode was really good.




Each story does not need a formulaic redemption track, true. However, I am unable to fathom why the creatives felt the need to have a non subtle, brutal, unilateral break up when they were not planning on addressing the manner of break up or the lack of attempt of ML to even find a middle path before giving up. Why was that loop even opened?

The episode was truly very good as a standalone in all departments. When viewed in conjunction with the story and the points in the story emphasized by the makers themselves, some viewers feel a disconnect.

I do not begrudge others for their enjoyment of the show. 😊. Everyone is entitled to like what moves them personally.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

They have skipped the step of realization, apology and muddled with an inconsistent Sona regarding Dev which leaves the door for no-proper redemption arc but more like if shweri under fear of losing Dev agrees to this union, Sona will happily relent and forget all this. It's not a trait created out of love but they always have made Sona like this which is a shame.

When a breakup happens for a desi show , it needs to be careful about the wording of the so called love declarations, these aggressive steps dilute the proposal every way. If the sacrifice shit was done, they should have instantly shown Dev's loss and him realizing what the f**kery he has done and developed a sense of self-loathing . Coupled with Sona being spirited and actually punching him down and explaining to him how this wasn't only his choice to make but as a unit, it needed her consent and her will too. After that they should have started redemption track rather they went all stalking and what not. They throw a bone to annoy viewers of Sona and justify Dev, somewhat or to project him as a protector when they started the 3rd angle and marriage trope. Ritwick is awesome but he is not the end game we all know it. He is there to cover up the track for Dev- either by being a d-bag or being a shipper.

This conversation is late- Sona's fears should be about Dev leaving her again. What if his mom never like her. Can she imagine a life like that waiting for the consent. Where does she stand ? She should have had a thought about it herself and shared that with Dev .

Dev's redemption track shouldn't be combined with him finding out how pathetic ishwari be, thats independent . Thats like blaming Ishwari for his mistakes nope. he effed up, he needs to give that dignity and space to Sona.

But this is Dutta , so meh.


@ PINK - This may happen and we should be prepared for it. It takes effort to write a nuanced story and screenplay so convenient drama is what we may get I fear.

@ BOLD - spirited words but all true 😊. This is not an Ishwari created situation which only needs to be fixed by an Ishwari healing track. The men in our lives or for that matter women in relationships need to take the lead and responsibility to strike the balance between their partners and parents.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

My two cents worth...not that I am watching this crapfest

Dev the ML..can be a douche bag, a jerk and spineless...but come on he is the Hero and hero does not need to redeem
Sona the FL that we thought was strong...delusional much ...she is the sacrificing female lead who will love the jerk ML no matter what because she is Mahaan...pukeworthy
Easwari the villain of the plot who will remain so till last episode then all is well...hmmm this is soap reality

The audience (some of us) who feel this is retarded can take a hike because after all in a convoluted way this is the first promo or second or third or who knows what




My dear friend. 😊. You are not watching the show but hope not getting worked up reading the updates and posts like this.

Can I recommend Kaisi Yeh Yaariaan available on Voot? The show has ended so you can watch at your own pace. They maintained the essence for atleast 200 +episodes out of 250 odd S1 episodes. Do not bother with S2 (it did not run for long). I think I know what you want for an FL so this show may give you that. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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yesterday's episode would go down well with almost all if they had mutually agreed on a break-up and if the break-up was not an unilateral and as ruthless as it was from Dev's end.
It turns out that it was not. Not once has dev reflected on how rude and uncaring he was to Sonakshi ... It was fine if he was rude then, but later he could have still appologised and then if yesterday's scene had played out, it would still fit in the story.

Though I cannot see how Sona can forgive his stalking, his being mean to Ritwick, his being destructive to an innocent person's career... ah well..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: rogerrocks


Which is probably why we'l never get a show where the female lead is selfish, bratty, arrogant etc. Which is also why the male lead is better off financially than the female lead in most cases..Every show, fans claim that their female lead is different..Realistic and a breathe of fresh air compared to other shows..Superficially its true..Cos a Sonakshi or a Sumo might not be a Gopi or a Sandhya..But at the end of the day, they all tick the same boxes..Ditto with the male leads..They are all made grey/arrogant because of a difficult past and eventually every mistake of theirs is justified because they are good at heart and love their family and circumstances forced them to do whatever they did..Can we ever have a show where the female lead is selfish? Where Sonakshi throws a tantrum and says she loves him and can't stand his psycho mom as a package deal? That will never happen cos the female lead has to be mature and understanding..And that is also the reason why they have made Dev this overtly understanding and emotional when it comes to Ishwari..Cos they have to play out the ideal son troupe and make him this perfect son who is lost in their own screwed up way..We may talk about complexity, writing etc. but at the end of the day, the leads in 9 out of 10 shows tick the same boxes..The way they go about it might be different, the way their characters are butchered might be different but they all are essentially the same..You enjoy some more than the rest probably because you like the story or the actors better 😆


I suggest you to watch the first season of Kaisi Yeh Yaariaan where you will find the FL Nandini the best female lead in the history of indian tv..go watch it if you have time
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Watched the episode finally and a few good points first -

Shaheer & Erica (especially Shaheer, I found) are fantastic actors, that's a given. Both have done movies before and have a certain maturity but Shaheer's eyes speak. He deserves to be in Bollywood. Erica carries herself really well. It is a treat to watch this on Indian TV and thankfully the camera doesn't zoom 3 times here!

As for the script, this is a journey of the 3 main characters - Dev, Ishwari & Sonakshi. Every other character lays out life in front of them and these 3 pick what & when they want to. Then moments are created around it and the actors step into the script and emote fantastically. That's it.

So looking at these 3 -

Dev - The ideal Son that Indian society loves. He gave up his love in a jiffy for his mother. Of course, he hurt his girl in the process but as he did it for his Mother, all is justified.

Dev, the ideal lover, didn't realize what he would be giving away when he broke up. The pain started when Sonakshi said, Goodbye Mr. Dixit'. He tried to come to terms with everything but then Sonakshi started not just moving on but moving to someone else. This totally confused the lover boy. He is lost. He is in pain. He doesn't know what he is doing.

- There, all his crazy behavior fully justified.

Sona - First let's face it - her family is not pressurizing her so all the talks about doing this for family is moot. She is running away and family is just a cover.

This FL was dumped badly, lost her confidence in herself & in love. First time her family asked her for marriage, she agreed. Even they were surprised. Enter the most sorted guy - Mr. R. He understands her and tells her he will help her move on. At the restaurant, R says, Some people are weak. Dev is lost and doesn't know what he is doing but I am here for you. So let's stay and be strong unless you are really effected'

Established again - Dev is all alone and lost.

In the car, the FL hesitantly asks R why he asked Dev to marry her. Her hesitating, the lowering of her eyes... she turns into a little girl who needs to be saved...from herself.

As she walks towards her house, R looks at her amusedly and shakes his head. In my mind he is thinking Kids'!!

Little while later, Tina calls Sona and in a few seconds Sona gets up & runs to her Ex...

Ishwari - This is a Mother who has led a hard life and her kids are indebted to her (especially the elder one who got favored treatment at the cost of his siblings). Her obsession is being explained away as Mother's love & insecurity.

In the precap, she is worried of being caught - This Mother knows she's done wrong... but she's doing it out of love for her Son !! - There, justified.

Interesting how the 2 doing wrong are fully justified and the one who is wronged is seeming unjust.

After yesterday's beautiful play of emotions and fantastic expressions, here is my read -

- Dev will learn that his Mother sent the rishta

- He will ask her and Mother will explain it as trying to help the lovely girl, Sonakshi

- Dev will be upset but will admire that his mother was trying to do good (He doesn't know she knows why they broke up & She knows the reason but will never acknowledge).

- Dev will spiral into deeper depression in preparation for the Big Day - Engagement

- On engagement day, this ML will not be Devdas but Dev Dixit (as we were informed) and he will, in his own way, try to kill himself. No ML just faints looking at the FL getting engaged and after knowing this is his Mother's wish, better to end the trauma than to continue bearing the pain...or some such stupidity.

- Sona takes him to Ishwari Nivas

- Sona - Ishwari face off again

- Might be start of Ishwari 1% realization now

- After such a public drama, R will stand by Sona but marriage is a family affair and question of family honor and all. R will have a mature talk with Sona or Sona herself will announce she is still in love with her Ex.

- R will be Sona's friend.

- There cannot be any more marriage talks in the Bose house after this.

This all leads to the early promos. All 3 standing exactly where the story wants them to -

Ishwari - The Insecure Mother

Dev - The helpless Son

Sona - The supportive FL.

In between, there will be the journalist fiasco but that's not important.

On Indian TV, sitting down with parents, being rational & talking to them is a real long-shot. This could be seen as going against Mother and fighting for FL. Nope, ML can't do that. So we have the females figure it out while the men play loving & helpless.

Sona rightly said, She will handle her parents'. Yup, she will. And every other character will be managed/handled too as and when these 3 are ready to move around in the puzzle.

FL's parents are supposed to be supportive. Her support gene comes from them after all.

R will be a good mirror and he already understands human psyche. He only showed the amount of mirror that the restaurant scene required. Rest, he will keep for later when these characters are ready to move.

This is a fictional show & they have to carry it forward for many more months. Moments will lead to moments but they are not writing anything unique - This was always a Mom-Son-DIL story. Not a Man-Woman love story. The equation will always be Mom - Son. Mom - DIL. What's left is Son-DIL. In this avatar, they are never Man-Woman but always a reflection of roles they play.

I may sound cynical but Indian TV does what it does with elan. We probably were too starved for something completely unique and pitched our hopes too high.

Well, each one of us will watch till we can and then there is the TV remote.

Phew! Huge long post but unlike the script writers who play with moments, I just had to get into the background first 😃



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: KK84



I think he will say sorry the day he realises whatever mother dearest has done has been intentional. Even if Sona agrees to go back to him, her family will not so I think redemption will happen one way or another!



If I go by the writer's interview they do not feel mommy is plotting rather they would like to convey that she is compelled to act like this given her back story. In that case there may not be an exposure but a healing process.

Even if we were to assume that she would be exposed, Dev still has to take accountability for his own reactions to his mom's actions. The way he conducted himself was not the only way he could have acted and a realization of that was expected. Basis yesterday's episode that expectation may not be met.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malvika07

Sorry for the late response, I had a headache last night so couldn't stay up and be part of this super discussion.

Hope you are feeling better and the headache is not exacerbated by this thread!!

Actually, this is how the break up should have happened. They should've cried together about Ishwari and reached the conclusion that parting ways is the only option left. They needed to reach this conclusion together, with Dev unable to let Sonakshi go and then showing how Sonakshi is strong enough for both of them and how she still supports him.

I saw the episode again just now and also read the various threads on the forum. It seems we're the only select few who are still begging for a redemption track. Apparently Dev's redemption was done last night, when he cried and told her how much he misses her. How to be a jerk bf and then win over your lady 101- Dev Dixit style.

Did you notice Sonakshi''s face when R asked Dev to marry her? She almost looked hopeful.

Don't remind me please. I will feel bad again. Dev who broke up the way he did and acted the way he did with her after the break up will still be accepted by her family according to her...and he has done nothing to fit in. However, Sona who has only been perfect with him and tried to fit in with his family does not even get to wonder about the unfairness of being rejected by his family and him not even questioning it. Is she human??

Dev not saying a word to that probably cemented her belief that he's never ever going to fight for her. And probably mine too.

Correct. If this is what they intended to show all along, why the gratuitous humiliation of Sona along the way? Was it just for drama sake because a dramatic break up is more impactful?

I was even prepared to accept their simplistic approach that love for parents trumps all and it is impossible to contemplate understanding their decisions leave aside trying to change their mind.

I tempered my expectations seeing how the show has been of late. I thought there was no way they would not make him repent for breaking her trust breaking up unilaterally and so callously. I felt I was justified in expecting a closure of this loop. I guess I should have had no expectations other than to see brilliant stand alone moments and no longer expect a coherent flow.


I somehow can't reconcile the Dev from yesterday to the Dev they showed in the promo. Yesterday I genuinely felt bad for him and I was repulsed watching him in the promo.
Also, Dev fainting is probably the worst idea they could come up with. It would have made more sense to me if Sonakshi fainted. Due to the emotional stress, pressure, pain of watching Dev stand there with a brave face on. That's what I wanted. Dev just putting on a brave face and standing stoically when she tries to get engaged to R, for once thinking about her needs more than his own. His eyes would've conveyed the pain he's in, I can trust Shaheer on that. Then Sonakshi fainting and Dev losing it and trying to revive her and R and the rest of the family understanding just how much they love each other... Something like that.

@ BOLD. Made me laugh but you said it correctly. After all that she has been through, I would have been prepared to see her faint but again his emotions will dictate the future course and she will react to them. Her emotions have never driven anything in this show.


I wanted to write an OS on this

Write. Write Write.

, but honestly, I just don't feel inclined to do so right now. I'm just really upset with the way things turned out.
I think it's time I started watching Kaisi yeh yaariyan, like you recommended.

You can definitely watch S1. No family drama - check, friendship - check, great FL - check, lovely casting- check, passion - super check, attention to detail for romantic scenes - check, maturity in dealing with complex emotions - surprisingly very good, redemption and dignity of FL and ML - super check, growth in relationship - check, showing how two people may be together or apart but always in each other's lives in a way that is credible and further cements their relationship - check.

Sorry about going on and on. My disappointments with this show have made me appreciate what they achieved in KYY more.

I'm giving this a week, if they pull off anything preposterous in the mahaepisode I'm afraid it's going to be the end of the journey for me with regard to this show.

I've kept my expectations low and even started posting rarely. Yesterday's episode moved me for the great standalone episode it was and for what I was being denied and started this thread!

I'll probably watch it till I enjoy Dev and Sona on screen. I am tired of waiting for heightened passion. A hug was so called for yesterday. They are determined to disappoint us in this department.

I can't seem to make peace with the fact that they brought us to the first promo by taking the most convoluted route imaginable.

Me too and I think some others as well.

P.S : Thank you😊 I loved all of your responses to the various insightful comments made on this thread.

😊

Edited by bookworm123 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pkbdas61

the good thing about life is that it is like a prism and just like the prism it can have many views, with each view presenting a different kaleidoscope of wonderful colors. Your view is one and very much valid

however i fail to understand the need for a redemption track. If in love we start keeping balance sheets ( (just like Sona uses this phrase so beautifully many times) of good and bad, it is no more love. At least not as i have seen and experienced it. If one were to expect this kind of a balance sheet, they better not be in love. It is more a business relationship.

love is forgiving, love is kind, love is understanding, love is patient... i can keep on adding to its virtues. What love can do, nothing else can do. If we want to win someone over, we do not need to remind them of what wrong they have done. if they recognize it themselves, and they do not have to say it, it is fine. it is felt with the heart.

Here is my view - Dev said it today.. those emotional dialogues were more than "redemption". it was an awakening.. that even Sona heard and it was felt with her heart. Now here comes the beauty of love, it instantly forgives. it sounds so easy to state, and even hard to digest, but is best experienced.

I have been hurt and i have caused hurt before - all when in love. I have been forgiven and i have also forgiven - all when in love. i have never felt the need for a redemption process. left it to the heart. i am sure there will be many who will want to pounce on me but i have stated what i have experienced. So please excuse me.



I loved the emotions in your post and cannot disagree with what you say about what love compels us to do.

My beef is with the makers inserting gratuitous humiliation for Sona for drama's sake when they do not seem to have the intention to close this loop.

I am even prepared to accept Sona as the understanding FL (since this is their story) who is prepared to stand by him when their relationship is tested by issues at his end, even if he should be making greater efforts to resolve them. I may personally not agree with the Shravan Kumar approach but I will keep that aside and just watch the show.

I am not sure if it was necessary to make her seem so understanding with such a subtle apology when on the same show the son is so unsubtle in his devotion and apologies to his mom...sorry mom you stood for one hour, I am a lousy son. The harshness meted out to Sonakshi was also given the unsubtle treatment but the apology she got (if at all she did) is too subtle per my view.

Having said that I do not judge anyone for their enjoyment of the show. Everyone is entitled to be moved by something and enjoy it without having to necessarily explain the logic behind it.😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Agreed. Even I feel they added all that humiliation just for drama sake. Maybe it's a norm for all desi shows to have the FL insulted without any rhyme or reason so that later on she can forgive them and the makers can underline her perfect-ness. I guess it's our fault. We expected too much.
Just gonna make peace with the fact that it is what it is.
I'll probably keep watching just for Shaheer and Erica, they both were so good yesterday. The makers are allergic to passion. They only further proved that fact yesterday. The hug was necessary, but again, it was avoided.
P.S : I just randomly watched a brief scene of KYY to gauge the tone of the show and check out the leads, looks quite interesting. The leads are cute. And the first scene I saw contained more passion than they let Devakshi potray throughout their relationship. And Dev and Sonakshi are supposed to be in a mature adult relationship🥱
Starting with Season 1 now😊

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