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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Abhay

Our thoughts match to a T. What is amazing is that still you exude positivity and reassure me that the show is still good in parts and will get better with Ruq being punished and Salim Jodha equation changing for the better. 😊

Like Ayushi said, NJ had to come because NJ is the focus in another show. The SA love story may be nipped in the bud 😆 At least, thankfully the rumour that Anar will be reborn as NJ turned out to be false.

Apart from the drug addiction issue, what is most disturbing, as you have also pointed out, is the way the mother-son relationship is being twisted and mutilated. Why would anyone take a pure mother-son relationship and make it so negative is mystifying.

Purani feels it's good that JJ don't trust anyone blindly with regard to Salim pointing his finger at SB for giving him opium. But they trust Ruq blindly. In spite of knowing that she is quite capable of doing anything. Even Rahim fell for her lies?

It's not about killing the JJ love story or killing their characters any more. It's about totally mutilating history to create a fictional nonsense surpassing even the efforts of Aurangzeb and others.



Radhika,

The fact is that i open my mouth and write something, ONLY when i have a reason for it, and i write based on the readings. Remember, i was very much "normal" during the fake pregnancy track, because that was not at all IMPOSSIBLE. So you see... The link is present on the sticky. Link. 😉

I don't know what the makers have decided , but the fact is that i don't think Salim will be sidelining his mother. And, Ruqaya ko aaj nahi to kal treatment milna hi hai.
I will be hopeful of Ruqs getting her due, hence i re-assured you.
Baaki sab CV's ki marzi.

And about Nur Jahan, let's not talk of her praises here. 😆 Also, no matter CV's try a la Aurangzeb act here, nothing is going to happen to Jodha - Akbar, it survived 450+ years, and it will survive now also. 👏

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


After Watchng 24 Nov episode, Why parents not clearing, Salim their point of view, Acc to his age, which he can understands.


jodha consious is fearing, something is wrong, but situation is not clearing, its not good for child +Parents. As, a mother fear or transperency is right, but situation tackling is necessary for parents, specially for Mother, Here Mother Duty +responsibility is big., but why,
CV forgetting this.Everyparents Not perfect,but it not means, Akdha are so Dumb, parents, they can't clear, Salim doubts. If He can understand Ruk cheating, why not parents, Good things, So CV should show Akdha not this type.

Parents Should clear Child doubts, which is Coming in Unconsious, Mind, Or they should try to remove Insecurity, of Child.

After Salim too much children borned, If Akdha chemistry, between, two Less How possible, or If their Realtionship Salim is on Gap, How can Others childs or Jodha decesion, as MUZ, perfectely. or strong. It shows No gap betweeen parents +Children.

Or Salim first wife was, BD Daughter, its cleary shows, realtionship were good, But Why Salim sent for learning desclipine, Its not understanding.(Abhay wrote About this )😆





Ayushi

Yes, JJ should talk to Salim and clear his misgivings. But the CVs will not show this. They probably want to put Ruq only in focus and Salim being close to her, with Jodha being pushed as much into the background as possible.

No, I don't expect Ruq exposure.

When did Abhay say that Salim will be sent for disciplinary training? Perhaps I missed that post.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Ayushi

Yes, JJ should talk to Salim and clear his misgivings. But the CVs will not show this. They probably want to put Ruq only in focus and Salim being close to her, with Jodha being pushed as much into the background as possible.

No, I don't expect Ruq exposure.

When did Abhay say that Salim will be sent for disciplinary training? Perhaps I missed that post.


Radhika, My ment was not Abhay Said this, This is Common about Salim, He sent outside,

learning Disclipine, Even i Read in my studies. College time., my ment was Abhay please give some info, about that. today again site is creating problem. pages are not opening.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Thank you! 😊

Would love to hear your views on the key characters and their inter-personal relations. Oh, by the way, may I know your name, please? 😊



Radhika,
She is Azra, writes awesome stories, though i have not read them, but got the links.
I remember her; she was the one who asked me, my name on this forum. Before that it was officially h_g. LOL. I saw her on a thread exactly after an year now.!!!
She was very active earlier, at least on my threads.> L-1 L-2


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Purani

I am glad you are optimistic, which is more than what I can say about myself. The past week including today has been bad with Ruq succeeding in brain-washing Salim against his parents. This is as bad for a child as drugging him. Because it may be easier to de-addict a child but much more difficult to rebuild his trust in his parents.

Shaguni Bai said he would always remember these days. Whether he will remember these days as the time his parents distanced him from themselves or as the time he learnt about justice remains to be seen.

Ruq may have brain-washed Salim into pointing fingers at Salima Begum.

I am sick of not just the drug-peddling but also the slow-poisoning of a mother-son relationship (Jodha-Salim), which was actually a most pak relationship with none of the negativity and distrust projected by Ekta.

What are the chances, folks, that Ruq will get away this time too?

@Poorani - Happy to see you optimistic and waiting for you to unres your other posts.
@Radhika - Glad to see you back .Missed your posts.
@Bold- The chances are very high and the most probable scenario .
I suspect if the promo will air the same way as most of the promos are misleading. My feel is this was just aired to rise the curiosity of the viewers on ruq's punishment and hence stop the falling trp's
Anyway what would be the use even if she is exposed ? she is going to be saved the next moment and she would turn even more vicious and corrupt salim further saying she was wrongly punished as she supported him .
I still feel the best time ruqs exposure should have happened is during twins track. But cv's reluctance to punish her and their attempt to make her another maham has completely ruined the story and no characters or their action doesn't make any sense thereafter .The only silver line in this was salim jo's relation and they have spoiled that too .
My guess is this salima blame may be for to instigate murad and most likely resham will be framed and punished which would make quaidar even more vicious .The advantage a mega serial has is they have no time frame or limit and they can try with anything they want , loyal viewers may take a break but still might come and watch now and then as there might be a ray of hope that may be something better would be there as there are really not many options out there if we choose serials as entertainment .Most of them in one form of the other have similar story lines .Initially all start of well grabbing viewers attentions and then things fade away. Its sad too see this happen to historical fiction too...
P.S..
Radhika, did you see the new spoiler saying salima will be put behind bars as she witness ruq drugging salim and she chose to reveal it to ja. That's when things will take a turn and salima will be framed.
Edited by prav2 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Radhika,
She is Azra, writes awesome stories, though i have not read them, but got the links.
I remember her; she was the one who asked me, my name on this forum. Before that it was officially h_g. LOL. I saw her on a thread exactly after an year now.!!!
She was very active earlier, at least on my threads.> L-1 L-2



Thanks, Abhay!

You know everyone here, don't you? And everyone here knows you, right? 😆

Azra, thanks for introducing "Abhay" to the forum. or we might still be calling him a geek!

Btw, Abhay, quite a few silent readers and those who stopped posting come (back) to post on my threads, may be because these threads just focus on discussing the show without adding any extra spice or meandering into off-topic chatter.😛 And many of them are wonderful writers with terrific insights into the characters and the show.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2

@Poorani - Happy to see you optimistic and waiting for you to unres your other posts.
@Radhika - Glad to see you back .Missed your posts.
@Bold- The chances are very high and the most probable scenario .
I suspect if the promo will air the same way as most of the promos are misleading. My feel is this was just aired to rise the curiosity of the viewers on ruq's punishment and hence stop the falling trp's
Anyway what would be the use even if she is exposed ? she is going to be saved the next moment and she would turn even more vicious and corrupt salim further saying she was wrongly punished as she supported him .
I still feel the best time ruqs exposure should have happened is during twins track. But cv's reluctance to punish her and their attempt to make her another maham has completely ruined the story and no characters or their action doesn't make any sense thereafter .The only silver line in this was salim jo's relation and they have spoiled that too .
My guess is this salima blame may be for to instigate murad and most likely resham will be framed and punished which would make quaidar even more vicious .The advantage a mega serial has is they have no time frame or limit and they can try with anything they want , loyal viewers may take a break but still might come and watch now and then as there might be a ray of hope that may be something better would be there as there are really not many options out there if we choose serials as entertainment .Most of them in one form of the other have similar story lines .Initially all start of well grabbing viewers attentions and then things fade away. Its sad too see this happen to historical fiction too...
P.S..
Radhika, did you see the new spoiler saying salima will be put behind bars as she witness ruq drugging salim and she chose to reveal it to ja. That's when things will take a turn and salima will be framed.


Priya

You have already seen my post on the new spoiler: 😊


Let's discuss there.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Radhika, how are you? Missed your posts.
I have not been up to date with the current happenings on the show. My mom was telling me that Salima maybe a suspect regarding the opium issue. Could it be possible that Jalal and Jodha are faking their suspicion on Salima, just in order to nab the real culprit? At this stage of the story, I find it rather strange for Jodha and Jalal to suspect Salima of such a horrible act. I may be way off here, with my views, but find the entire scenario rather odd, considering the amount of respect and affection, Jalal has for Salima. However, I also have to remember that BEK is capable of doing anything.



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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Hi Lavanya

This is a wonderful thing - that women should exercise choice and stop watching shows that commodify women.
Its difficult to have such a strong reaction impromptu but yes there should be some attempt to reject it.

But actually exercising this choice is tough for even educated women. Most of us on this forum agree the show is disgusting in its portrayal of Jodha yet we still keep up with the show in some form and discuss it endlessly.
Yes it is tough for those who are habituated or addicted. I have stopped watching post the baby blame as I found it repulsive and deploring. How can you dishonour motherhood? Yes today TV is the most common and acceptable medium for entertainment for women then precisely for this reason the content should be appreciated by them and not despised. But its just matter of switching the channel and unless this power is exercised there will not be the desired result.

When we are in this state, how can we sit in judgment over countless middle class housewives who can see themselves in the new doormat version of Jodha and watch the show in anticipation of what she will ultimately do and if she will ever be able to break the shackles.
No, not watching a serial is not a bad state, in fact the men would be very happy😆😆.
I am not judging the housewives but yes if the TRP meter houses have this privilege that whatever they watch is shoved down other viewers ( Non meter houses) then well they need to be discerning and more cautious.
In this thread or another one, I had posted a study done by one of the leading features magazine and in that women said that there is lack of content on TV and they too are bored of it. Hence whatever comes they watch it and pass away the time. I suspect they are even really bothered about the treatment part. Perhaps they take it as drama.

Second, what is the alternative they have? Yes, some shows portray women differently. But not all shows appeal to all cross-sections. I think the reason why bold women centred shows do not do as well as shows that show weak, helpless women is because women feel guilty of being self-sufficient and equal to or superior to the men in their lives. I know examples of educated women from my family and friends circle who feel guilty of doing better than their husbands professionally or even being better than their husbands in some common area of interest. Women may find it easier to accept Jodha as being a submissive wife than one who can advise Akbar the Great himself because this portrayal does not rock the boat and does not raise disturbing questions about their own choices in their personal lives.
There is NO show which portrays differently, its all same- centrally its the subjugation of women. I am not watching it but I can still bet on it that by default all shows will have a woman getting married and how her husband hates her or her mother in law hates her, conspiracies to separate the duo and yes battle for property😆 and consummation thrown in before and after separation. Next children who will grow up in a couple of episodes and back to shaadi again. This cycle goes on endlessly. Aren't their women who are scientists, chartered accountants, politicians, researchers, doctors, engineers, teachers and so on. Do they not have husband, children? Is there either /or?I have women colleagues who are engineers and are doing better than their husband's but they don't feel guilt neither does their spouse make them feel so. I guess these are more liberal times. Infact one of my very close friend is a gynaecologist and her husband is also a doctor but she is doing very well and getting acknowledged at state level and national level medical associations. I would say its trail of their personality may be conditioning. I would say the women I have met don't take lightly the portrayal of Jodha and some had even stopped watching the show since the return of Jodha from Amer- once they made her subservient to Ruq. Most have stopped watching after the abominable baby blame🤢🤢. Also women in villages are not as weak as portrayed in shows some infact do beat their husband's if they come back heavily drunk 😆. Our ex maid is a strong no nonsense woman and no one dare mess with her. 😆 This is not to negate that yes there is crime against women and they are abused.
On the content part, its less to do with the women viewers and more with the writers who for lack of competence and creativity simply write about shaadi and bachche. Its easy to do that. Isn't it? Isn't there more to life than this?

In fact, on this very forum, I still remember, Jodha was mocked at for being strong and standing up to Jalal or advising him in a crisis. Which means that even educated women have a problem accepting a strong woman. Then how can we judge the TRP Aunties? Who do not have the time or interest to ponder over whether Jodha is being commodified and whether they are harming their own self-interest by watching such a portrayal. Most women simply want to be entertained and see women who are like them. They forget the show after they switch off the TV.
It is unfortunate that a strong characterisation of a woman is ridiculed by few. Perhaps that's why mind sets need to be changed. Moreover look at the larger population who has appreciated the strong Jodha and that's why the high TRPs. Coming to TRP meter houses well till they control others viewing they have to share the blame.
Actually most women do feel bad but they don't know the mechanism to address it. They do discuss the show story at gatherings😆😆 and yes the dresses and jewellery. They don't forget the show, they remember the story😆 and share with those who missed it.

I agree with you mindsets have to be changed. But that will take a long time. Because we see that even education and urbanization and exposure to western notions of feminism and equality of genders has not sensitized women to the need to protest against their negative portrayal on the small screen.

Yes change is inevitable and uncomfortable. It needs to start, it may jump start or may not. Important is that it at least begins. I won't say western notion of feminism but look at Indian history itself -more than thousands of years back we had pretty much equal rights for women. But then as we evolve don't we progress?

Adding here education is empowering and its a must for women.

And before women protest against what they see on screen, they have to protest against their commodification in real life. Only a woman who can assert herself (I mean, positively assert herself and not aggressively ride rough-shod over men) in real life can also understand that the portrayal of a heroine is incorrect and that she needs to protest by rejecting that heroine and the show.
Commodification is a serious issue which can go away only when the demand is reduced and that seems improbable.

The government has to do much more to sensitize women and raise awareness about their own value instead of just mouthing platitudes to "freedom of choice" and expecting women brain-washed by aeons of tradition to suddenly boycott a show that is hardly different from their own reality.

The minister pointed out to the double edged sword, damned if they do and damned if they don't😆😆 If Govt does not do anything, then there are complains for inefficiency and when they do interfere then its moral policing. I believe more than Govt, its the women themselves who need to have self respect and that they are humans who have right to be happy and have a dream.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Charu.S

Radhika, how are you? Missed your posts.

I have not been up to date with the current happenings on the show. My mom was telling me that Salima maybe a suspect regarding the opium issue. Could it be possible that Jalal and Jodha may be faking their suspicion on Salima, just in order to nab the real culprit? At this stage of the story, I find it rather strange for Jodha and Jalal to suspect Salima of such a horrible act. I may be way off here, with my views, but find the entire scenario rather odd, considering the amount of respect and affection, Jalal has for Salima. However, I also have to remember that BEK is capable of doing anything.



Charu.

😲 Opium is still going on. This is so deplorable. Its so painful to read this and they show it.😔 Salima is being blamed? so all characters are tarnished now. Ruq is saved again😆😆 What is the need to pretend?😒 and blame an innocent? Is that how justice or investigation works?🤣

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