Meandering Musings on Mughal Relations - Page 25

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Abhay some ques Ans, We Will never get,, So Brain using, not allowed,😆,

But, now One thing clear Salima Mind Ruk is not, Good for Salim, or what she is doing, not forgettable, So both realtion finished, internally, Salima side. Salima will sure think, What is in Ruk Mind,that will become down cause of Ruk.

lets see how track folds, but today one person in serial knows Ruk reality, Its Cv surprise, Ruk reality Audience +Salima Knows,😆 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

Ayushi,

Did Rahim genuinely accuse Salima Begum ? This looks quite OTT. How can even he.?
Yes, Rahim, accused Salima Begum, But started, of episode, Rahim, & jalal both knows, Salima was full hurry, & Want to tell, Something, Jalal, so Maybee Twist is blance Or story demands Now, .Maybee All is pretending, all depends on CV. , Abhay MS was sitting Near jalal, Yesterday, Or Ruk place, is Ruk place is Now danger poistion?
And what is the need to pretend always.? 🥱 BTW, Was it pretending or were they genuinely doubting her.?.

CV Only knows these type of Twists,😆 😆, Abhay i not fully assured, They genuinely doubted yes or Not.Because Jalal already shown Salim, Ruk Hozara, Unconsious staze. Sure He should recall. Or Jodha should recall, When she Was singing Lorri, or Salim slept Soon.

BTW, you said right, no logic and no need to think..!!. ;p
YES, Sometime We should leave Brain Outside, Better for Health, but I know its tough😆 😆, Because its tough for me, also.

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Ayushi,

Did Rahim genuinely accuse Salima Begum ? This looks quite OTT. How can even he.?

And what is the need to pretend always.? 🥱 BTW, Was it pretending or were they genuinely doubting her.?.

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Originally posted by: history_geek

@ Lavanya, Radhika, other silent readers. ;p

I would re - iterate the MAIN point again, lest we loose track of it. :)

The post was about the role of Jodha, and we were debating about her "identity" and "stereotypes". I would sum up the points in brief so that they do not get lost in the other points we are discussing.

We were discussing what all the CV's could have shown to us.

While the normal perception of Jodha's identity would come across as that of a "woman" , but she way ahead of this normally accepted definition of a medieval woman.

An "Empress" in every sense and that too a special one. It is NOT easy to carve out one's identity in a NEW household among the previously present wives and coming from a different clan altogether, that too a first woman from her religion, in Agra had it's own disadvantages.!!.

Imagine the place she resided in and the kind of environment she survived. Just imagine even today's scenario. This is now, when we have monogamy and the in-laws are normally known well before marriage.

Contrast this with her case. And see the differences. That was not an age of human rights reforms and monogamy. She was NOT married happily , but she paid a price for the survival of her state. We all saw the conditions of the marriage.

She was some one very special and different to have survived in those conditions. And came out like a diamond out of all this. A fighter who came out strongly out of her past, and moved on to become the Malika-e-Hindustan. A gutsy woman indeed.!!!.

The Creatives of Jodha Akbar have not shown the capability so far to portray her in a manner she was known as.

PS :
The show had a lot of potential, but they lost the chance. Quite Un-fair to REAL HK .!!
Before the show, at least we all knew that Jodha was Akbar's wife. The movie had portrayed it well. But, in addition to it many things could have been shown.

Nothing wrong can be done to Akbar, the world knows him. The potential was lost when it came to Jodha.!!! In every adaptation she is portrayed as a WIFE ONLY, not as an intelligent businesswoman, Haj manager, with proper POWERS of MUZ.!!

Before this, i did not see so many titles for Ruqayya(REEL). Infact no one(not many) knew about her. But after this show, it will appears as if the entire power is in Ruqayya's hand, who did anything in this NR but remained as it is, even the King appeared helpless before her, and the makers have not left even Salima in the experimentation process.!!.

CV's are you listening.?. { Here came the answer> No. We are destroying this show. ;p }

Originally posted by: history_geek

Ayushi,

Did Rahim genuinely accuse Salima Begum ? This looks quite OTT. How can even he.?

And what is the need to pretend always.? 🥱 BTW, Was it pretending or were they genuinely doubting her.?.

But, you said right, no logic and no need to think..!!. ;p

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika and all,

I had TO watch JA after reading the last two updates.
I watched 25 th and 26 th Nov episodes.

The episode of 25 Nov was really awesome. At least the Jashan part..

Man Singh was called as HIS SON by Akbar. We know Akbar used to cal Man Singh his Farzand {son} .!!

Also, Rahim was eyeing some lady from Mewat (his real mom's place), and Salima caught him in the jashan.!!!.Man Singh ki baari kab aeygi, now he is officially son of Akbar.LOL.

Tansen was singing Raag Malhar(?).. Thankfully a different song this time. 😆

And, i have one thing to say that Ruqayya is caught in a web, and her expose is going to be really really dark.!
The thing is that , this time Salima Begum has seen her and hence Ruqayya's expose will be FOR SURE..

Also,
I can not say ANYTHING against Jalal or Jodha or Hamida.!
NO ONE of them believed this accusation on Salima easily.!!.
Just see the episode ONCE and tell me IF you still feel Jalal or Jodha were wrong.!


Agreed Ruqayya has hatched such plans many times, and JJ know of it, more so Jalal knows her since childhood.

BUT IT WAS SALIM's LIE which gave the FINAL STAMP.

Just see the episode once. After watching it, you will believe that, it was the wicked plan of Ruqayya and surprisingly Salim spoke a BIG Lie.

Rahim pointed his finger on Salima when she was being taken for NazarBandi. It looked like a "lame" accusation from Rahim, it looked like he was "deliberately" saying all those words to Salima..!!. But not sure, for time being i was shocked to hear his words.!

If the makers are trying to show us that this is a plan to catch the actual culprit then, my view is still same that this is total nonsense. No Emperor is so much resource less to pretend always, Atifa one was a blunder and was a totally rushed up sequence.! This one is also proceeding on same lines.!! I hope there is some decent display of some believable sequences in this track in future.!

Overall,
Salim is also going to get nice one{another punishement?} from Jalal this time, along with Ruqayya.!!. I feel so as he also spoke a LIE.!


PS : The quality of episodes has bettered this time. Perhaps i feel so as there was NO Anarkali or Nur's mention in these two episodes.!!. You can watch them.

PPS : You asked me if Salim was sent for a LONG time away from Agra in one of your comments... Answer > NO. I have not read anything like this as of now. For long, he was NEVER sent away from Agra, because I have his instances of being present in Agra/with Akbar, for every 2-3 years after his birth.!!! More discussions on this topic on Blog.!

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

I believe you over the other WUs.

We cannot really blame Salim - he's only 9. He probably doesn't even know what opium is or understand what's happening. May be when he was under the influence of opium, Ruq brainwashed him into believing the lie he spoke later in court as the truth. And he said the same under the influence of opium / Ruq.

I know many people are feeling Jalal is pretending to punish Salima to catch the real culprit and that Ruq will be exposed by next week. But I find it hard to believe till I actually see it.

If Ruq is exposed, what then?

Thanks for clarifying that Salim will not be sent away to military camp / school, as being conjectured on forum. :)

That was great observation - Rahim eyeing a girl LOL I feel MS must be already much married by now. :)

Thanks for a positive and reassuring post! Hope your prediction about Ruq's exposure is true. :)

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

I believe you over the other WUs.

We cannot really blame Salim - he's only 9. He probably doesn't even know what opium is or understand what's happening. May be when he was under the influence of opium, Ruq brainwashed him into believing the lie he spoke later in court as the truth. And he said the same under the influence of opium / Ruq.

I know many people are feeling Jalal is pretending to punish Salima to catch the real culprit and that Ruq will be exposed by next week. But I find it hard to believe till I actually see it.

If Ruq is exposed, what then?

Thanks for clarifying that Salim will not be sent away to military camp / school, as being conjectured on forum. :)

I am mentioning that i did not read anything like this.😊

That was great observation - Rahim eyeing a girl LOL I feel MS must be already much married by now. :)

Thanks for a positive and reassuring post! Hope your prediction about Ruq's exposure is true. :)

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

Just watch the episode. Aaj ka episode miss nahi karna. 👍🏼
I watched the last 1o mins 'by mistake' .
You will surely LIKE it. And if possible see the last 2 episodes.!!!

Friends, Watch it Only Online, don't contribute to TRP's by watching at 8. 🤓
Let them learn some lessons this time for LONG. ;p

Few observations:

1. Salim spoke a PLAIN Lie. Perhaps, he understood that, Ruqayya will be punished, hence he spoke a lie. He was in his senses when he said so and blamed Salima.

2. There is NO Plan of Jalal. He was not pretending.😆. Today it looked clear at least in the limited time i saw the episode.!!.Baaki sab CV's ka nahi pata if they turn him into BOND for 5 minutes like they did in Atifa track. 😕

3. Even Rahim was not pretending. He also believes that Salima did "Afeeming" . 😕

4. Now, next Ruqayya is after Man Singh. She implicated him in an attack on Salim today, though he was defending Salim.

5. Today, Man Singh also sent to Jail. Watch the episode for details.

6. Ruqs' self talk > She wants to eliminate Jodha's influence now. She has removed Salima and Man Singh. Now she wants to do the same with Jodha. LOL.

7. Precap:

Jodha goes to meet Man Singh. Jalal gets thoda sa angry, and says he is gaddar(?) / baagi.

Jodha affirms - She does not believes that Man Singh is a gaddar.
Jalal retorts(in anger) - Don't forget you are Mariam-Uz-Zamani. 😆
Jodha replies(in equal intensity) - Ok, then tell me what are my rights/adhikaars , as i am Mariam-Uz-Zamani . 👏

I liked these last two dialogues of Jodha and Jalal.
I want them to exercise some powers/exchange dialogues, as an Emperor and AN Empress.!!
Let us see what replies Jalal gives.

PS:
I am not interested in any bhandafod at the moment. But i am saying that at least ONCE the EVIL should be exposed. This time it looks possible. Do you need more assurances that this track is for, not only ours, but "everyone's" beloved Ruqs.?. ;p