Meandering Musings on Mughal Relations - Page 24

Originally posted by: realitybites

😲<font color="#660033" size="2" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Opium is still going on. This is so deplorable. Its so painful to read this and they show it.😔Salima is being blamed? so all characters are tarnished now. Ruq is saved again😆😆 What is the need to pretend?😒and blame an innocent?Is that how justice or investigation works?🤣</font>

Lavanya, I have not watched since quite sometime, but I heard that Jodha and Jalal will suspect Salima of foul play (courtesy BEK, I guess). We may get to see the Creatives' sense of 'justice' in full form with intense drama.

Originally posted by: Charu.S

Lavanya, I have not watched since quite sometime, but I heard that Jodha and Jalal will suspect Salima of foul play (courtesy BEK, I guess). We may get to see the Creatives' sense of 'justice' in full form with intense drama.

Oh you too have stopped watching. So many people have been disappointed with the repulsive baby blame🤢 How could the writers come up with such obtuse thought?

Read on the other thread, Salim points to Salima and she imprisoned. I doubt Ruq would be caught, she may yet again be absolved. Only condition they might show her being punished is the LEAP. Before the break she is imprisoned and after the break there is leap and she is FREE.😆😆

Originally posted by: Charu.S

Radhika, how are you? Missed your posts.

I have not been up to date with the current happenings on the show. My mom was telling me that Salima maybe a suspect regarding the opium issue. Could it be possible that Jalal and Jodha are faking their suspicion on Salima, just in order to nab the real culprit? At this stage of the story, I find it rather strange for Jodha and Jalal to suspect Salima of such a horrible act. I may be way off here, with my views, but find the entire scenario rather odd, considering the amount of respect and affection, Jalal has for Salima. However, I also have to remember that BEK is capable of doing anything.

Charu.

Originally posted by: realitybites

Oh you too have stopped watching. So many people have been disappointed with the repulsive baby blame🤢 How could the writers come up with such obtuse thought?😒

Read on the other thread, Salim points to Salima and she imprisoned. I doubt Ruq would be caught, she may yet again be absolved. Only condition they might show her being punished is the LEAP. Before the break she is imprisoned and after the break there is leap and she is FREE.😆😆

Originally posted by: realitybites

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Lavanya

I am not saying the govt should do moral policing in the sense that they censor what we see. But they must spread awareness and sensitize people to treat women with respect.

Education in itself is not empowering or liberating if it comes up against traditional mindsets. Your social circle is quite a liberal one. :) But I have seen cousins who are engineers in the US and have had to bend backwards to please the egos of their husbands.

How will a woman gain self-respect? By breaking mental barriers. By realizing that she deserves to be treated as an equal and has something called "self-respect" that she needs to nurture.

This is what I mean by spreading awareness and sensitization. Not just the govt but we too must take responsibility for this. We have to not only educate our children but make them (both boys and girls) aware that they are ALL equal and have similar rights. That girls need not be subservient to boys.

Coming to this show, I don't know much about TRPs and meter houses. Yes, women discuss the story but they don't ponder over it like we do. :) And if it's a historical show like JA, women may actually believe that this is how Jodha was in reality. In any case, most women don't take serials seriously in the sense that they do not worry if it is going to affect women badly.

I agree, Radhika but the Govt should do but regarding concept of self, it has to start from within first, at least the desire part. Govt can be a support agency or a guiding agency. Its more of a social problem where people need to understand and respect women.

Well if the women after having studied still think like that then I will perhaps say that they are literate and have a qualification but are not educated. Education is when it opens your mind and you learn to question things. On social circle 😆😆 no, not liberal but perhaps accommodating. I think this generation youth are understanding and more liberal in thinking. I will explore more on this.

As I had said earlier too this may be part of their personality trait. The pleasing of ego by the woman may be arising out of their nurturance - the conditioning they got while growing up. Women are taught that they need to make the man happy at all costs and grin and bear the misbehaviour, the misplaced concept of duties as a wife, forgetting the human part of it.

These women may have fear of losing their husband and hence a broken marriage so they try to please. Its more like they have a huge fear of having to bear the stigma of broken marriage in case they fail to make the man happy.

The woman needs to understand she is created equal by God. Hence the human part applies to her to as much as to the man. Gender sensitization is a must and more so for the most regressive part of society where incidences of crimes against women is very high.

TRP meter houses I meant those 9000 houses whose viewing preference is extrapolated for 10 crore plus cable and tv houses.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

I doubt it, Lavanya, that Ruq will be imprisoned ever. 😕

Originally posted by: realitybites

😲 Opium is still going on. This is so deplorable. Its so painful to read this and they show it.😔 Salima is being blamed? so all characters are tarnished now. Ruq is saved again😆😆 What is the need to pretend?😒 and blame an innocent? Is that how justice or investigation works?🤣

@Bold Red..

Lavanya,

This is the thing which i also asked REPEATEDLY during the Atifa track.!!
Is that how, the culprits are caught.?.
What is the need to pretend.? If they are going to show this.?
Is this the method by which the defaulters are nabbed by a person in authority.?
Especially a person who is the Shahenshah of Hindustan.?.
The Emperor has no security system.?No spy system.!

The writers can not think of better ways.!.

PS : Yes, opium feeding was going on, and due to that only this stage has been reached.LOL.

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Bold Red..

Lavanya,

This is the thing which i also asked REPEATEDLY during the Atifa track.!!
Is that how, the culprits are caught.?.
What is the need to pretend.? If they are going to show this.?
Is this the method by which the defaulters are nabbed by a person in authority.?
Especially a person who is the Shahenshah of Hindustan.?.
The Emperor has no security system.?No spy system.!

The writers can not think of better ways.!.

PS : Yes, opium feeding was going on, and due to that only this stage has been reached.LOL.

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@ Lavanya, Radhika, other silent readers. ;p

I would re - iterate the MAIN point again, lest we loose track of it. :)

The post was about the role of Jodha, and we were debating about her "identity" and "stereotypes". I would sum up the points in brief so that they do not get lost in the other points we are discussing.

We were discussing what all the CV's could have shown to us.

While the normal perception of Jodha's identity would come across as that of a "woman" , but she way ahead of this normally accepted definition of a medieval woman.

An "Empress" in every sense and that too a special one. It is NOT easy to carve out one's identity in a NEW household among the previously present wives and coming from a different clan altogether, that too a first woman from her religion, in Agra had it's own disadvantages.!!.

Imagine the place she resided in and the kind of environment she survived. Just imagine even today's scenario. This is now, when we have monogamy and the in-laws are normally known well before marriage.

Contrast this with her case. And see the differences. That was not an age of human rights reforms and monogamy. She was NOT married happily , but she paid a price for the survival of her state. We all saw the conditions of the marriage.

She was some one very special and different to have survived in those conditions. And came out like a diamond out of all this. A fighter who came out strongly out of her past, and moved on to become the Malika-e-Hindustan. A gutsy woman indeed.!!!.

The Creatives of Jodha Akbar have not shown the capability so far to portray her in a manner she was known as.

PS :
The show had a lot of potential, but they lost the chance. Quite Un-fair to REAL HK .!!
Before the show, at least we all knew that Jodha was Akbar's wife. The movie had portrayed it well. But, in addition to it many things could have been shown.

Nothing wrong can be done to Akbar, the world knows him. The potential was lost when it came to Jodha.!!! In every adaptation she is portrayed as a WIFE ONLY, not as an intelligent businesswoman, Haj manager, with proper POWERS of MUZ.!!

Before this, i did not see so many titles for Ruqayya(REEL). Infact no one(not many) knew about her. But after this show, it will appears as if the entire power is in Ruqayya's hand, who did anything in this NR but remained as it is, even the King appeared helpless before her, and the makers have not left even Salima in the experimentation process.!!.

CV's are you listening.?. { Here came the answer> No. We are destroying this show. ;p }