Meandering Musings on Mughal Relations

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Friends,

I haven't seen the last 3 episodes; just read the WUs shared by a good friend. :) Based on these WUs, I have been wondering about the changing relations and emerging key players in Agra. It makes for some interesting observations and predictions!



1. The SA Relation

Thankfully, the two are shown to be at loggerheads with each other and we are spared scenes of childhood romance.

It is also apparent that so far at least, Anar's family lives outside the palace and has not yet benefited from Jodha's largesse after gifting a taviz to Salim. Things may change if Anar is invited to join Tansen's troupe of singers and dancers.

2. The Murad - Rahim Khan-e-khana Relation

There's tension in the air with Rahim not being happy with Murad's jealousy of Salim. And Murad feeling that Rahim is partial to Salim.

I don't know how much, IF ANY, is true. But this is one relation to watch out for. I am sure that this troublesome relation between the siblings (sort of) will be shown getting only worse. As Murad grows older, we will see him openly challenging the authority of Rahim.

It's amazing how differently the two are growing up under the care of the same "mother". Rahim was such a sweet child and Murad, though outwardly cute, is born with a devious mind. Rahim had (and still does not have) none of his father's (BK's) craftiness, whereas, Murad seems to have inherited the shrewdness of Akbar. Just goes to show that parenting cannot change the destiny and the mindset a child is born with.

3. The Salim - Ruqaiyya Relation

I have deliberately left out the cutesy Jodha and Salim relation and even the impish Salim and Jalal relation. I am more interested in the relation Salim has with Ruqaiyya. Or rather Ruqaiyya has with Salim. It is a given that she wishes to control Salim, the wali ahad, exclusively so that she cane be the real power behind the throne when he ascends it.

She has tried the "being nice" and the "good old badi ammijaan" routines with no success in luring Salim away from Jodha. Ruqaiyya has seen that Salim is more interested in girls and dancing than shamsheer and fighting ( in spite of the unwavering concentration he showed during Jalal's jugalbandi.) Salim Chisti's prophecy is also an indicator that Salim lets his heart rule him. Ruqaiyya is therefore confident that she can easily manipulate him, if not emotionally, then through the lure of a "good life". And what could the good life entail for a prince who has everything? Why, the pleasure of being on a "high", forgetting his cares for a while.

The takht seems to be heavy and full of thorns for the young crown prince, who would rather be out enjoying life, stealing mangoes from the royal orchards and teasing nubile girls like Anar.

Ruqaiyya probably wishes to control him like a puppet on a string by making him so addicted to opium that he would listen to anything she says just to get his next "fix". But how she can succeed in this plan without arousing any suspicions in the minds of JJ remains to be seen.

4. The Daniyal - Ruqsar Relation

Frankly, I do not remember if this begum used to be Ruqaiyya's friend or Jodha's. Someone please remind me. :)

But she seems to be an ambitious mother, stuck with a son who would rather think of food than subahs. She seems keen to prod her son to take more interest in his political fortunes. Again a relation to watch out for.

I have a feeling that Ruqaiyya will sense this and "use" Ruqsar's begum's ambitions to her own benefit in the future.

5. The Emerging Camps

There are clearly two camps emerging - Salim and Haider's. The Salim camp has Daniyal and Qutub. The Haider camp has Murad.

How far will these camps carry their loyalties and rivalries to adulthood, post leap?

6. The R Factor

No, I don't mean Ruqaiyya, Ruqsar or Rahim. This time, the R factor is Resham Khan. :)

Resham could be playing a big game of her own. She may be the one who has poisoned Haider's mind against Jalal. It also appears that she is trying to influence Ruqaiyya too, just like her former mistress, Mahamanga.

What could Resham's plan be? Is it just to make life difficult for Jalal or something more sinister? We need to watch out for this.




When so much is evident about the emerging power equations in Agra even to a casual observer like me, why are the chief players like Jalal, Jodha, Hamida, Salima and Jalal's nav ratnas woefully ignorant and living in their own idyllic ivory towers? I guess they are just being themselves - always the last to know. 😕

Do share your views about these relations and any others that I may have missed. :)

PS: Sorry for being MIA - will continue to be mostly MIA, 😕 but wanted to share a few thoughts with you all. Please feel free to discuss the new relationships on this thread, put your stamp of approval on the ones you like and crib about the ones you don't. 😊

Abhay: Only if time permits, share your views about these factors. 😊

Neetz: Pls continue to update us about the latest episodes. ⭐️
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hey Di,

Wonderful post and quite interesting too. I wondered about these too especially Rahim-Murad and Ruq-Salim though I literally hate Ruq now. More than ever before. Getting Salim addicted to opium so that she can pull his strings as per her whims and fancies and gain the power she is so obsessed about.
Resham angle is new to me. I didn't go there at all though I wondered who poisoned Haider's mind for him to hate Jalal and Salim so much. You maybe right. Thanks

Will get back to you on this in detail later.. as and when I can..please forgive me if I am late..

As for the updates, I haven't been well so didn't provide the update this week except for Monday. Couldn't even reply back to friends on the last thread. I will try to be back today or by Monday for sure. So sorry for this.
I didn't watch the epi last night but saw the repeat for JJ scene as Neha said it's nice. 😆 I actually liked that one and Salim-Jodha too.

Again, amazing post Di and thanks for the PM. I had to reply to this. Got a few questions for Abhay too but seems like he is also MIA. 😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hey Radhika,
Missed ur posts but i can understand as there is not much interesting happening in the show anymore. All the above relationships u have talked abt r interesting although as far as rukhsar goes i think she is just trying to bring up daniyal as best as she can n doesnt have much political ambition. Btw she was a supporter of jodha and the one who asked her to take over the harem in place of ruqqaiya earlier.
The relationship i m more interested in watching now is the one salim will have with jodha after becoming addicted. I hope the cv dont show him insulting her or being rude to her. I hope the mother son bond remains even with all the problems. Also i am looking forward to see the relationship they show between jalal n his daughter ( as cv r saying that according to them jodha had a daughter later). I want to see wheher he will be shown as a completly doting father to his babygirl or will she also be as afraid of him as salim is shown. I hope they show a beautiful father daughter relation as daughters usually are closer to dads than moms.
Edited by vinitaj27 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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these relations are really to look out for
bokul thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
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i feel very soon haider and murad may fight with the rest
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very nice points. For 3 weeks i have been discarding to watch JA n this time i m determined not to back watching JA again. I read in WU murad n haidar have always a vegeance attitude towards Salim. This is strange that under same upbringing of salima that rahim has gotten how murad is being evil n envious in nature at this little age! Is it b/c he has gotten company of haidar? Or is there any hidden matter of salima that is showing on screen at present lagrely its no her real face i.e. she has also ambition to b mother of king hence she genuinely doesn't give properly n strictly lesson to murad not to b envious towards his elder brother!? Viewers shouldn't keep faith any parallel role b/c the fact is on the epic name of Natkiya Rupantar any time for any reason any positive character can b negetive in this show hence Salima shouldn't b out of suspicion.
I Think Ruqsar was that begum who strongly supported n recommended to Jodha being the chief of harem.
Edited by ILTHBEB - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Awesome ..Radhika...very well written...you summarized the story for me.
Ruksar is Daniyal's mother? Isn't Daniyal the one who was raised in Amer? I didnt know that Ruksar had an Amer connection?
Resham Khan is still part of harem? Did Jalal forgive her for making an attempt on his life? Sorry...that never happened in the NR( am I right? )...so she is being kept in the picture to poison the mind of fictional Haider? Silver lining... viewers still watching the show will get to see a male villain for a change. Why do I get a feeling that Haider will be shown to lust after Anarkali n Salim will be the knight in shining armor. Hope it happens only when they grow up...most of us do not have the palate for childhood romance or childhood lust. But CVs as we know, live on a different planet.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Can someone please remind me the place of Qutub in the family? Thanks.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agreed.😊

Love the chunky cutie. He is innocent and adorable.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks Radhika for the PM.I just watch one scene if it's recommended by everyone but nowadays I dare not watch the entire show.Politics also known as " siyasat " is always dirty game .And whether it's our parliament today or it's Mughal Darbar ,the era is different but still the game is same.
The stories of how this game was being played had always amused us .In current era too ,we had so many stories of who were behind the "missing" of one great freedom fighter ,what exactly happened with one of the sons of one of our great prime ministers and so on.Then Mughal household is no exception.Why Mughal household any kings household would have stories of jealous queens trying to harm the heirs.
May be Ruqiayya begum must not have made Salim addicted to Opium but she def must have done many things to retain her position as she would have felt insecure for being childless.
Though Salima will stay away from this jealousy and plotting etc but we can't talk the same about Ruksar.Though she was shown initially in Jodha's camp but with her own son so now she can just switch to other camp as we can't take her to be intelligent and saintly like Salima.
Def Haider is being poisoned by Resham and she is playing the same game with Ruku too so she has forgotten that Jodha had once saved her from being killed by same Ruku.
One thing I still don't understand that a woman like Salima is still so ignorant of Haider's influence on her son.Radhika ,aren't we mothers so vigilant about influences on our young kids ? What is Salima doing then ?
And there was one interesting thing which I read in yesterday's episode about Anarkali asking to see the mahal.This is very " interesting".Now we will soon see Anarkali getting license to enter the mahal and roaming in the corridors of Mahal.Alongside ,Ruku is drugging Salim.Now we might see Anarkali while roaming in the palace might witness this and might " expose" this plot.Look ,she has to do some heroic thing as she is the lead of our season 2 atleast till her " so called " death.
And last but not the least ,but nowadays Jodha is more of a wife and mother and stopped being MUZ or queen or is not deliberately shown as one because for cvs only one person can be royal that is " Ruku" .Jalal is a King and trying to be a doting father too but is not a husband to Jodha atleast,
If he was the same Jalal then we would have seen he looking for Jodha's reactions when he crowned Salim,we would have seen Jalal telling Salim that his words that "savior is greater than killer " reminds him of this mother .But this we didn't see and this clearly tells many things.
And the new promo talks about MU again .Its time for Jajo now to go for " marital counseling" I think.


Edited by Rashmi81 - 10 years ago

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