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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: tamy267

pehle batao, r u angry with me?? mujhe bahut bura lagega agar aisa hai toh
Abhay, I agree with all your points...I am not denying anything bcz u r right..but those r also my POVs jo maine samjha.


Tamy,
How can i do the "Mistake" of falling out with a friend you.?. Please do not think so.

Read my comment { L }, it was all about Ekta and her NR of a sensitive issue like Chittor. And if the CV's visit this forum(as i have heard) ,and if they are reading the posts of the members, then they would get to know what the viewers are feeling. We all know what FALSIFICATION are they doing here.

And, the second comment was about Reel Jalal. { L }

Chah kar bhi i can not get angry. Just ask Gem, she takes her frustrations of tracks on me, in case my predictions go wrong.😉 You views are always welcome.😊

PS:
I have seen your comment on the Blog. I will be updating the second part of Chittor by next week. As, i have to scan some pages till then.

PPS:
What are your views on the NEW Tagline of Zee.?. { Mine are here }

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Posted: 10 years ago

Tamy abhay is right...i always end up showing my frustration and anfer on him...bichare ke paas koi option bi nahi hai...only god knows ...he is my frd...dosti ki to nibana hi padega...thats y i told u he can never get angry on u...jab wo m wo mere gussa ko jhel sakta to ye to kuch bi nahi...aur abhay vaise bi u dont hav any option but to tolerte me and my anger


Originally posted by: history_geek



Tamy,
How can i do the "Mistake" of falling out with a friend you.?. Please do not think so.

Read my comment { L }, it was all about Ekta and her NR of a sensitive issue like Chittor. And if the CV's visit this forum(as i have heard) ,and if they are
reading the posts of the members, then they would get to know what the
viewers are feeling
. We all know what FALSIFICATION are they doing here.

And, the second comment was about Reel Jalal. { L }

Chah
kar bhi i can not get angry. Just ask Gem, she
takes her frustrations of tracks on me, in case my predictions go wrong.😉 You views are always welcome.😊

PS:
I
have seen your comment on the Blog. I will be updating the second part
of Chittor by next week. As, i have to scan some pages till then.

PPS:
What are your views on the NEW Tagline of Zee.?. { Mine are here
}

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Friends,

I would say that we should not go by the Zee's taglines. There was tagline of similar nature during Hasan and Husain's birth also.🤢

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Is Zee going to skip the Salim Chisti moment + pilgrimages + Rang Mahal + Sikri building before showing Salim.?. If they do it, then i will be sure they want to destroy this story.. 🥱


Actually, Zee people are a confused lot. 😕

We should judge them episode by episode, and sometimes leave something for the next episode as even LOONG sequences in their episodes are sometimes dreams.😉


BTW,
Does it sound like i have written a riddle here, by repeatedly using same words..?..😕.😆.


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abhay be prepared to see chotu salim next week..ekta is in sortage of money to give new costumes to lead actors...rang mahal palace buildings and salim chisti bare foot yatra ..better u forget it...they il show it thru voice over..be prepared to see the worst..who knows they might show rukku asking salin to compensate as hussain died in jodhas care...
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I have not read all the posts on the thread, had read Abhay and Radhika's posts when she made thread but from offline. Did not get a chance to read later.

The point is if you cannot do justice to something then skip it - has Ekta shown EVERYTHING of Akbar's life till date? Then why not skip this such a sensitive Chittor war track?

This is cos she thrives on creating controversy and giving kind of "I don't care what you think" to viewers. Isn't it obvious by now that the PH Ekta and especially her CVs have no respect, sensitivity or sense of responsibility towards these hugely respected historical characters?

For her this was just a different love story in her very mundane stable of soaps. Something she can quote in few interviews nothing more.

They cannot go beyond their soaps and mundane typical sick thinking. They probably have a 20 steps manual of what her heros and heroines have to go thru the stages and this was the stage for separation. Beyond that their understanding or intellect does not go. What epic story?

They had butchered Akbar and HK long back - now they have even managed to kill the love story and Jalal killed Jodha with his words and CVs have killed Jalal. There are zee twits that Salim is on the way - so it is clear they are rushing towards SA - maybe her soap brain filled CVs are at wits end cos their 20 step manual does not tell them how to handle JA if the hero heroine fall in love and face everything together - they have no clue so they are now at a loss?

Cos unless they twist, ugly and pervert the story they don't feel satisfied - maybe they have to uglify everything. This is their way.

What was the need to show Jalal accuse Jodha to show separation? Do they have such less respect for viewers understanding and common sense? They could have shown Jalal say to Jodha that everytime he looks at her he remembers what they were doing when Hussain needed them, she reminds him of his failure as father in protecting his son - looking at her he feels overwhelming guilt for not being there for Hussain and he is sure she feels guilty too. He cannot bear to be around with her - he cannot even bear to be with his own thoughts cos they make him lose control.

He could have gone to war not listening to her they could have shown mental separation without showing him so rude to Jodha. The points is CVs and Ekta just LOVE to show Jodha humiliated and insulted again and again.

They just made Jalal a failure on so many fronts

Jalal came across as very poor father cos he did not care enough about his twins to put blame on Ruk - cos she is the single most reason Zeenat got such free access to twins. This situation arose from Ruk's hatred for Jodha and greed for Audha but Jalal does not have guts to accuse Ruk - he is so hen pecked with Ruk - no matter how Ruk insults Jodha - Jalal has NEVER STOOD UP FOR JODHA AGAINST RUK PUBLICLY.

Jalal did not accept part of HIS share of blame for the night - he told Jodha to go to Hussain in half protest but he also said lot of other things and seduced her - why does that not count?

Where is HIS share of blame for failure of security, no investigation after the fire, failure to provide security to the waris?

About the war - if they can skip so many years till Salim's birth why did they not skip the war?

At all times their mantra is Jodha has to be shown humiliated and insulted, Ruk has to be shown winning and abusive and NOT a soul in Agra having the guts to put Ruk in place. Jalal? He is a coward here who cannot stand upto Ruk, who cannot even give justice to his own sons by accusing Ruk of her part.

Be sure SA is coming and Ekta has stopped caring about JA. Aren't the lack of money spent on leads costumes, make-up, appearance or overall seedy look of the serial proof of that?

This maybe Ekta's way of telling viewers I made JA love story and I am chosing to ugly it destroy it - I can do whatever I want I am the boss, who cares what YOU want? I don't care as long as I make money.

The writer actually twits proudly instead of feeling atleast some shame at butchering this love story!


Hi Maddy😊 I absolutely agree with you.

See the "Jodha insult" aspect would never end in the show because it is a usual,hopeful major trp puller for the show for the CVs .If you remember at the beginning of the show after Jodha's marriage,every attempt to insult Jodha by Jalal and Ruqs was hopelessly backfired on them,whether it was the chess tournament between Jodha and Ruqs or Jodha made to sing in front of the court. Jodha did not let herself get insulted and gave it back to them in a very graceful,dignified and classy way without screeching or being crassy.It was wonderful because she showed them that she was a good hearted girl but not the one to be messed with. Jalal and Ruqs set out to insult her but in turn got insulted which gave them sleepless nights! I found that very refreshing unlike the other show heroines.That was the first thing that made me love Jodha.I think the CVs originally planned this "no insult" for her character.But did the trps jump at this?No not at all!!

The first skyrocket jump of trps was when Jodha had her first major,proper insult track-the MC track🥱.Even the Ben track which involved a great deal of Jodha insult was a major trp pulling track.Hence,to ensure good trps, the CVs in every track need to tick the first point in their "trp pulling strategy" checklist and that is Jodha's insult.This is really disappointing.Hence,Jalal does not support her in front of Ruqs otherwise the CVs quota of Jodha's insult would not be fulfilled.When viewers get angry on Jalal for keeping mum, the CVs try to balance the viewers' anger by showing him to be spending his maximum time with Jodha, being romantic and doing other positive things for her.

I'm sure if the initial episodes without Jodha insult would have fetched huge trps,CVs would not have shown her insult now.Conversely,if Jodha was made to sing in court in front of everyone now,she would have easily got insulted.

If Jodha is brave enough to single handedly initiate protest against the unfair jizya system going against many powerful narrow minded individuals without fear(which is a far more difficult job than to defend herself in front of Ruqs and also even Jalal was hesitant to remove jizya in the beginning),do you think it's difficult for her or Jalal to defend herself in front of Ruqs?She doesn't get defended due to the trp game.

Hence,I don't think the insult of Jodha would ever stop even if it's for a trivial reason.In fact,Jodha's humiliation is the biggest proof that she is the true lead of a daily soap!!

CVs have not dealt with the twins death track properly at all !! When such a huge tragedy had taken place,Jalal and Jodha should have analysed the whole situation properly as to what went wrong.They would have come to the conclusion that Zeenat killed their kids,Ruks made the job a lot easier and both the parents were not there with Hussain. If Jalal wanted to blame Jodha for the night(who was not exactly guilty imo),he should have also blamed Ruks more and himself too.While accusing Jodha,he should have told Jodha that even he and Ruks share the blame.Jalal and Jodha should both have blasted Ruks. This was a serious case of his kids' death and not some stealing of a lollipop!!
Edited by angie321 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

@
Sandhya..

I am on same terms as per the points mentioned by you. I had no problems with the Mirchi War. But i had problems with Abul Maali capturing Jalal. I had no problems with the Harem Ladies fighting for their honor, but i had problems with the torture of Jalal that too at the hands of someone of the ranks of Abul Maali.. For me, Mirchi War and Jalal torture are 2 different events. Hence, i will NOT mix up both of them. Both could have been shown in some manner, but CV's went the other way..!!.. I made a post. Here is the LINK ..

I did not like Jalal behaving in an nonsensical manner in the Atifa track.
Here are the Links. Link-1 Link-2 Link-3 and a thread .

I did not like Jodha-Khyber track and her going to help Khyber, nor i liked her outings and neither i liked Jalal shown insensitive of a pregnant wife and shouting at his UNborn Kids..
Here is the Link .

Even the conduct after after the demise of Husain towards Jodha was NOT acceptable to me. Here is the Link . Another post by Radhika on the same issue. Link

I remember a post by Radhika, where she said NR's can be taken into 2 categories.
You can have a look. Link .

I have already made postS on the topics mentioned in your post.
So, i will not talk about those topics now. :))

Right now, i was concerned with the present blunder going on, where Ekta achieved the "Pinnacle of glory" for her much talked about NR. And, this time the stakes are quite different. She is attempting to change the "ACTUAL REASONS" of the MOST HORRIFYING event of the Medieval times, which in unpalatable and it's Unacceptable..


@
Pallavi..I agree with your comment about lot of NR's being done.

BUT, One, can NOT compare THIS TRACK with any NR done till now
... More can be seen in this Post of mine. I have already written the reasons. Link

Just waiting to see, what happens today, though NO Hopes Left..

Edited by history_geek - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Friends,

I would say that we should not go by the Zee's taglines. There was tagline of similar nature during Hasan and Husain's birth also.🤢

+

Is Zee going to skip the Salim Chisti moment + pilgrimages + Rang Mahal + Sikri building before showing Salim.?. If they do it, then i will be sure they want to destroy this story.. 🥱


Actually, Zee people are a confused lot. 😕

We should judge them episode by episode, and sometimes leave something for the next episode as even LOONG sequences in their episodes are sometimes dreams.😉


BTW,
Does it sound like i have written a riddle here, by repeatedly using same words..?..😕.😆.


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abhay,don't think anything another except salim.lol. Little salim is about to enter in 2/3 weeks. For the role of 5/6 age's salim's audition already has been taken place. Perhaps, little actor already has been selected. Now we can just count period for entry of chota salim. But i can guarantee atleast for few months u guys can stay with tension free where as soon ekta won't introduce of youth salim ever. Largely cvs r now quick to show jodha as muz which is very much talk of the town type word frm 1st(credit goes to ruq) more than Akbar's title in JA serial.
Edited by ILTHBEB - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Friends,

I would say that we should not go by the Zee's taglines. There was tagline of similar nature during Hasan and Husain's birth also.🤢

+

Is Zee going to skip the Salim Chisti moment + pilgrimages + Rang Mahal + Sikri building before showing Salim.?. If they do it, then i will be sure they want to destroy this story.. 🥱


Actually, Zee people are a confused lot. 😕

We should judge them episode by episode, and sometimes leave something for the next episode as even LOONG sequences in their episodes are sometimes dreams.😉


BTW,
Does it sound like i have written a riddle here, by repeatedly using same words..?..😕.😆.


please no...I will cry if they bring Salim now😭😭
mujhe woh sab kuch dekhna hai..the barefoot walk to Dargah...taking Jodha with him..building Rang Mahal..keeping Jodha there and staying with her during her pregnancy...😭
I will blast Zee if they skip it😡😡😭
according to the JA writer, 3 years have passed...so Chittor War timeline is ok..so after this war they might take another 2 years leap show SR no. 3 (which I am rooting for☺️) then Salim pregnancy n birth...hosakta hai woh saare chiz dikhaye fast forward mein😕
lets not predict...kyukii kuch bhi nahi hota🤢
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Tamy,
How can i do the "Mistake" of falling out with a friend you.?. Please do not think so.

thoda udas hogayi thi...meri wajeh se mera koi dost gussa ho mujhe woh gawara nahi hai..mujhe guilty feel hota hai..I thought u were angry at my explanations.. I am ok now😊 in fact main Gem ke posts dekhkar hi ok hogayi thi😆

Read my comment { L }, it was all about Ekta and her NR of a sensitive issue like Chittor. And if the CV's visit this forum(as i have heard) ,and if they are reading the posts of the members, then they would get to know what the viewers are feeling. We all know what FALSIFICATION are they doing here.

And, the second comment was about Reel Jalal. { L }
I know...I know😳

Chah kar bhi i can not get angry. Just ask Gem, she takes her frustrations of tracks on me, in case my predictions go wrong.😉 You views are always welcome.😊
does she?😲😆 mujhe kafi PMs ate hai usske😉

PS:
I have seen your comment on the Blog. I will be updating the second part of Chittor by next week. As, i have to scan some pages till then.
waiting...😃
PPS:
What are your views on the NEW Tagline of Zee.?. { Mine are here }
dont ask! I am so angry at this moment!! samajh nahi araha...either 3 yrs passed and they will again take 2 yrs leap or they simply preponed everything!😳
but I feel better say I want😉, Jalal will repent first for the gruesome war, then will reconcile with Jodha and then the 3rd SR(☺️) and barefoot walk of Jalal taking Jodha to Chishti Dargah, Salim pregnancy, Rang Mahal building and staying, birth of Salim😃😳

if they want they can show Fatim'a birth too! see, it can be like Jodha is now preggy with Fatima (3 yrs haven's passed), but the death of Fatima will make Jalal realize what a grave sin he committed by challenging Allah and killing His creatures mercilessly to take revenge...Jodha will also make him face the harsh reality...after that he will become spiritual...repent..then the above part.😳

Edited by tamy267 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
What we wish to see
A great ruler+ a supporting wife+ a bond connected by love+ happines

What we get
A psyco ruler+ a depressed wife+ lack of trust+ misery

And the CV's seem to have this pre concieved notion that babies are the solution to all problems. Like this free pass card where they can show anything that they want but be forgived if they get a baby into the picture. It is definitely not time for Salim right now, atleast not without the Chisti dargah part and all. I fail to understand this logic of the CV's of using kids as this support to fall back on when they have nothing to show and offer.

First they show Akbar's inclination to go to war being caused by the death of his twins, and him wanting to punish humanity. I fail to undersatnd how they are going to show Akbar becomeing tolearnt again after sowing such hatred towards god. Jalal is the ruler of Hindustan, any ruler's aim would be to expand his territory irrespective of who he has to battle with to get it done, using the death of his twins to show him like a possessed person who has become thirsty for Rajwanshi(this logic astounds me) blood is utter crap.

Now damage is done, he has become a haivan, he blamed his love and is depressed, so the next logical step according to the CV's is to bring Salim in. Which according to me is a pointless step. They could rather show us real politics and MUZ's growing influence in the political arena. Isn't it proof enough that some of the most loved episode of JA are the ones that invloved abolition of Tirth kar and Jalal dressing up and finding out problems in his empire. It's high time the CV's stopped looking at the viwers as this bunch of people who accept all sort of depressing disappointing crap they throw our way.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: srilu321

hi i tried to convince myself and justify jal 's behaviour towards jo after hussian's death tillnow but i failed and in any way jal's behaviour is not justified . i undestood only one thing is jo has to acept, bend, follow him whatever he says. no love no support as a husband only want child for him from jo.


Srilu,

Welcome to the forum! 🤗

Right now, your observation seems to be just right. 😕 Now the news that Jodha is expecting Salim has further dampened my spirits. I really hope Jalal is redeemed for his behavior towards Jodha appropriately before he learns that she is expecting his child.

I really do not know how he will be redeemed for Chittor by Ekta.

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