JA - NR at its Worst - Page 12

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Srilu,

Welcome to the forum! 🤗

Right now, your observation seems to be just right. 😕 Now the news that Jodha is expecting Salim has further dampened my spirits. I really hope Jalal is redeemed for his behavior towards Jodha appropriately before he learns that she is expecting his child.

I really do not know how he will be redeemed for Chittor by Ekta.

Originally posted by: tamy267

Radhika, agree agree agree whatever u wrote...I am not denying anything...u know even I thought after HH's death JJ will come more closer and be each other's rock in this tough time...but CVs threw a googly later... when Chittor War came, I understood why this googly!!!

Tamy, yaar, chill. 😊 Just one 'agree' will do. 😛

Regarding the googly, really, I have already told you that nothing was required for Akbar to proceed to Chittor. He could have gone there in hosh-o-hawas. If JJ had been emotionally separated, then it could be shown that Jodha had no effect on his decision. Even if they had not been emotionally separated, it could have been shown that Jodha had no effect on his decision. After all, as KDR says, this Jalal is still a long way from being Akbar the Great. So we can accept that he was flawed and cared 2 hoots for anyone's advice when he had made up his mind. 😊

about the blame, I really doubt if Jalal realized he was rude to Jodha or even Jodha thought he was rude to her..

Jalal knew he was being rude to Jodha and Jodha knew he was being rude to her. They may be young but even kids understand this much.

.it was like they r both so engulfed in pain that rudeness, politeness, anger n all that were superficial at the moment...these feelings were not even in their minds...! we have to look at the broader picture...which is of extreme gloom, doom, helplessness for both which they think is due to their act of love.

I think any human being can still perceive when someone is being good / kind to them or rude / hurtful to them. It is another matter that they may or may not react to this. But perception is ALWAYS present.

I agree both of them feel guilty about their act of love. But Jodha chose to swallow her own pain and reached out to him and his pain in the rain. Which is extremely difficult for any mother who has just lost her 2 first borns. In contrast is Jalal's accusation, which is the worst accusation anyone can make to their wife, esp under those circumstances. He may be grieving. But it SHOULD NOT make him forget that his wife is equally grieving and needs support. After all, aren't women considered to be the WEAKER sex? He could have addressed his guilt, rather their guilt by telling her that they had failed their child when he needed them. He SHOULD NOT have blamed ONLY her. He should have shared the blame with her. That's all I am saying. 😊

I hope u got my point.😊

Yes dear, I got your point. Though I disagree with it. I hope you also got my point, though you may disagree with it. 😊

Tamy, I think we have both expressed ourselves completely. Let's agree to disagree and move on. 😊

Originally posted by: chitterati

@bold: simple...VoiceOver with a 1 5 sec scene of Jo JA hugging

Originally posted by: peepu

thanks for the appreciation your post made me write this.

Radhika..its not like we are making a request out of the blue.

First of all I apologise if I move away from topic but please mods its just three lines. I take the liberty.

Nehru in his autobiography has painted his contemporary world in a most matter of fact manner.

Like wise those who have either watched or read Girish Karnad' s Tughlaq...will realise he paints Tughlaq' s reforms, rebellions, contradiction and his being conspired against in half fictional and half real way.and in the end we the readers or viewers Dont hate tughlaq..we atleast sympathise or understand him.

Likewise an honest portrayal of a flawed hero brings audiences to knees when their loved hero repents.

I hope Jodha Akbar who has till now been an exceptional shiw with some outstanding tracks continues with this crucial juncture of akbars life and his story with MUZ rather than over dramatization.

And much talked about salim anarkali leap..which is rather another most misunderstood concept about akbar

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

All your points are perfect. I made some comments in this regard..
One is about the NR of Chittor. > Link-1
Another one is about Jalal's behavior with Jodha > Link-2

I am waiting what will she show in the episode on Monday.. Hoping for something better.

Originally posted by: peepu

Guys with the new tagline I really hope they don't jump to salim...I really hope the reconciliation before baby's birth and baby other than salim is shown. .

Originally posted by: impiya

This is what I want to say also, Very beautifully written..👏

If u love me, does it automatically gives u right to hurt me, bcoz by hurting me, u are hurting urself too? And I should not protest or get angry with u, neither should I demand any explanation, Instead I should try to heal u bcoz afterall u r hurt too. This is what Ekta and Cvs are trying to shove into our throat- and I am finding it hard to digest.

Jalal can blame Jo because he loves her, Ruqu can blame her and get away with it, as she loves Jalal who in turn loves her. Jo is putting up with everything, And she is an ideal bahu, so everyone else should follow her and do the same too!!! Wah... Going by this logic, we are all free to release our frustration on everybody we love. I wish Cvs give very stern massage against it at the end of the track.

you have very rightly said that Jalal's love and temper can not be any excuse, and there is nothing romantic about his behavior. And yes, I am very surprised that she is not thinking of committing suicide.

This is a love story and we all know that they are going to be together at the end, that happens in every love story but all of them don't touch our heart naa.. we can't relate to all love stories equally... this love story looks like irrelevant to me now. May b in the next track, we will see Sharif kidnapping Jodha, and Jalal saving her risking his life and all of us will clap for him and say.. How much he loves her!! and she is so lucky to have him.. but these small pricks gonna be there to trouble me.

Pia, right - these pinpricks will still be there even after the leads get together quite easily. 😕

They have shown us that the couple stood by each other in most extreme circumstances before, and now they are giving us this😡- any normal couple who have minimum love and respect for each other, would have been together in this condition, but our ideal couple is doing exactly opposite, they are not only drifting apart but actually one is blaming another and withdrawing himself from her.

It looks like Jodha is completely sidelined as of now in Agra, Ruqaiya very publicly accused her of killing both the kids, Jalal didn't say anything, and now he himself avoiding her, so her honor and position in Harem must be at all time low. Many must be thinking Jo surely would have done something wrong, where the reality is Jodha is the one who is least responsible for death of the kids among her, Ruq and Jalal.

Pia, you have raised a valid point here that I missed. The way Jalal and Ruq are acusing Jodha of killing the babies and ignoring her and questioning her 'iraade" for "nekness", definitely the harem-wasis might be thinking that Jodha really is to blame for the twins' demise. 😕 Will Jalal clear the misconception later when he gets back with Jodha?

He never cleared the air about Jodha's innocence in the murty kand, except to say that he didn't think Jodha could do it.

Originally posted by: KDR81

@Abhay,

I am not saying that the NR was "needed" anywhere...but to show JA story and skip Chittor issue was something EK could NOT have gotten away with it...Hence this refuge...🥱

As , you yourself had earlier pointed out that Right now even if he was conferred the title of "Akbar" , he has not yet reached that level...Then why are you getting upset at his disperse of character????

In fact, this is exactly what we should remember here that , "Jalaal " was NOT made "Akbar" in a day NOR was he transformed overnight...

It needed years of Meaningless bloodshed, Personal losses and discontent, Emotional upheaval and turmoil which churned out the "Amrit" of "Greatness" in him , of course with Baba Salim Chisti as a +ve catalyst beside him...!!( Not to mention Jodha who herself has presently lost her personal inner strength to control Jalaal becoz of her self-doubt for the twins' death 😊)

Jalaal is a human being and that too with induced characteristic flaws by years of Military training under his Khan Baba and Badiammi...

So his own true self will need the massive churning of emotions and will give out the "Halaahal" in huge quantity before the much awaited "Amrit" comes out...😳

And this barbarism and inhuman behavior against his beloved is just that " Halaalhal "...!!😳

Guess I have make my point clear here...

So, everyone take a deep breath and wait for that wondrous moment when the "Amrit Kalash " is fished out from the sea of polluted emotions...!!😊

Regards,

Kamal

Originally posted by: tamy267

isse zyada main kuch nahi kehpaungi...tumse argument nahi kar paungi main..I will feel very bad which I am already feeling.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Kamal,

You have made a great point.😊

The only thing I am not able to fathom is that if this Jalal is still churning out halahal, why is all that halahal being thrown on only Jodha? Why not Ruqaiyya ever? After all, she is his best friend, bachpan ki dost, his jaan begum, khaas begum, BEK, ...

Why does he put up with everything Ruq does but reserves special treatment for Jodha? (Reminds me of Abhay here😆).

I don't mind his behavior, attitude, whatever. Let him go as psycho as possible. But why make him accuse Jodha so shamelessly? The rest is ok, but this bit is indigestible.

Similarly, he could have been given any reason to wage war against Chittor in the name of NR, if Ekta was so desperate to justify his actions. She could have stuck to the "sheltering rebels" clause. Why drag in the poor babies?

The sickness of the CVs mind is what is upsetting, not Jalal's jalladness or his obsession with churning halahal.😊