JA - NR at its Worst - Page 8

Originally posted by: tamy267

exactly Radhika...I agree with u and that is why I said Ekta should have avoided this phase...

@red
do u have better idea showing this cruel war when he is so good and positive?
would audience have accepted it? wont it look out of place?
and this NR of Ekta will pull very much TRPs and u know it is a game of TRP at the end... showing something dramatic always works..that is why I think she took this decision.

the rest part, of course I know how Akbar and HK were...there cannot be any doubt on their love for each other..it is divine and epic.

Tamy,

See my reply to you above. If you are making your HERO so positive and you can not show the conquests properly then better skip them.

Do you think Audience will accept this Hero who behaves in such a disgusting manner that he goes on a rampage because this Kids are killed.?. And, shows such a Cold behavior to his wife.?.

I can BET none of the lady will like such a husband, at least whatever reactions i have seen till now... Tell me what you think.?.

Originally posted by: tamy267

loved it Di...and I completely agree...whatever u wrote I am writing it 10 times everyday to make everyone understand!😆 u just stole my words.⭐️@red bang on...just bang on!👏👏 no one is getting one point that if Jalal blamed Jodha, he also blamed himself! how much it would have hurt him? what must he have felt then? he is angry with love which made Jodha stay with him that night...we have seen Jalal is the one who cannot live without Jodha even for a minute, so if he is ignoring her for days how much pain he is giving to himself? it is his punishment given to himself...Jalal has restrained himself from doing any kind of neki and good deeds, then how much it is hurting him? it is his punishment given to himself...he is punishing himself from every front.,,it is like he is craving for pain now...dard se mohabbat hogayi usse...he is terribly guilty for the child loss.

Hi @KDR81, 😊

It been long when you posted last. Nice to see your comment here. I hope you too enjoyed the Durga Puja along with other festivals, and a wishing a very Happy Diwali to you and all here..😊

I am posting a common response to Tamy and you,{esp. to Tamy😉} as you both are on same terms regarding Jalal..I did not see any justification or a escape route for Jalal, hence i am posting a detailed response.. No where i saw Jalal was seen blaming HIMSELF, the blame was laid on Jodha VERY EASILY...


What he said is as follows. >>>

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First he says to Jodha >> "Hum Aapko apne baachon ki maut ke liye jimmedar manein ? "
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I want to know, why he asked this Question at the first place.?.
Wasn't he with Jodha that fateful night.?. Isn't he aware.?.
Is he expecting HER to be with with BOTH the Kids 24x7.?.
I mean, what is the reason of asking this question.?.
For me the reasons are quite obvious.
Bachne ki koi gunjaish nahi hai.
Clear blame is ON HER..
And, here he blames her FOR BOTH the KIDS..Not ONE of them...
He was speaking the Language of Ruqayya..!!!!!...
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He also said to himself ->> "Hum Apni Mohobbat ko Jimmedaar man Rahe the " ( "the" is PAST TENSE)'
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Isn't this clear that he WAS holding the LOVE responsible, for the mishap IN THE PAST for a few moment, but he NOW NO LONGER holds it responsible in PRESENT moment...?...

^^^This statement of mine was PROVEN CORRECT by Jalal when he said the following words. Read the next sentence..>>
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Then Jalal said -> " Humne Aapko Husain ke pas jaane ke liye kaha tha na " ..
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What is the meaning of this sentence above.?.^^^^
He was pointing towards Jodha, and saying as if she was careless and HE FORCED HER TO GO to Husain and she was HELL BENT at remaining with him..!!!!!
Did he say that, I was also with you Jodha Begum.?.
Did he say that I am also responsible for this mishap.?.
Did he say that i also did not FORCE you to GO to Husain.?.

As i said in my Post on Page-1, perhaps my TV Set does not shows me Jalal's POV.?.
Hence, I am not able to interpret this scene properly...

There was NOT a single dialogue where it appeared that he was holding himself responsible for this..He was speaking and asking questions after questions asking Jodha about her responsibilities and involvement...

Did he say that , you are not ALONE responsible , i was equally involved..??

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It is not tough to see that Jalal held her responsible...He was her rock after the demise of Hasan, but after Husain's demise, the shock which he wrecked upon Jodha, i could not relate to Jalal... What type of Father he is.?. I asked earlier on Page-1, has ONLY he Lost the Kids.?.

Seriously, it was disgusting to hear a father asking such a Question to the Wife/Mother that > "Hum Aapko APNE baachon ki maut ke liye jimmedar manein ? "

Were they not Jodha's sons ALSO.?. How much JUSTIFIED it is to ask SUCH a question to the Mother .?. The very utterance of these Words was pathetic.

1. He gives cold behavior to Jodha by putting on the curtain, while she follows him to his Hojra in the rain.?.
2. What kind of guilt - > He refuses to accept her Pranams also.?.
3. What kind of EPIC LOVE and understanding he is showering upon her, by NOT talking to her.?.
4. Where is his wrath, when he can shout at Jodha but can NOT EVEN utter a word to Ruqayya.?.
5. Did he ask Ruqayya that, YOU were the ROOT CAUSE of all this. She wanted the Kid na.?.
6. And after all, Had Jalal not gifted those Farmans carelessly then, Ruqayya MAY NOT HAVE DRAGGED JALAL to the DEk.?.


He Failed as a Father... He Failed as an Emperor... He Failed as a Husband... Jalal Failed...

I can not relate to this type of behavior...He comes across as someone, who refused to accept his part in this debacle...I could hear the dialogues where he directly and indirectly laid the blame on her, but NOT ONCE he said something about himself or Ruqayya...

I said earlier that, If you are in Love then you need to become the support of your partner, NOT to leave her Alone..Tough times call for going beyond your capabilities to heal your beloved..They are not the times to show your anger, or unleash your burden of guilt on anyone else..""

^^^And here, Jalal is doing exactly the opposite...!!!!..


I do not accept this Kind of Guilt Cum Love, and i find it strange that this behavior found justifications as well...

I want to say, just look from a different perspective...If he wants to punish himself he should..If he is guilty then, DOES HE thinks Jodha won't be suffering from the same guilt.?.

How can he ask those "blaming" questions to Jodha for death of the children she gave birth to under circumstances, which are well known to all.
He has left her alone as if he is the ONLY one who is suffering from this PAIN..

Do all the spouses behave in such a manner under similar circumstances.?. This situation demanded STRONG support from Jalal and he Failed here..Is it not required to show his support to her in this time when she needed him the most.?.

Jodha came out in the rain to share her pain with him while he was in the rain, and the volley of questions which were lashed at her by him, are they justified by any means.?.

He was very well aware of the mental condition of Jodha after the demise of twins...He saw that HIS BACHPAN KA DOST was blaming her endlessly to "EATING UP HER OWN SONS" ,
And even in this DIRE situation he left her.?.

Don't people commit suicide in such circumstances.?. I am not supporting this practice, but only making a point.. Jalal's image in my mind comes as that of a short tempered person(Real Akbar was TOO MUCH short tempered, but he was so much restrained with his close relatives.)

Jalal failed in such a demanding situation, and behaved atrociously in such a circumstance, in times of crises...

For me , his behavior was UN acceptable. I am writing as i saw it..😕

Well said Abhay we are left heart broken . Ekta has her own style of showing even history she showed husband blaming his wife for kids death pathetic . She just killed this love story to justifiy chit or war .

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Really?! I didn't know that a SL show is held at the fort of Chittor - must be an extraordinary experience!

Ekta has no compunctions!

Yes Radhika that experiance was incredibleit take you in 7 th century than 13 and than 16 century
When jauhar displayed it was heartwrenching can you believe that 13000 woman give up their life together
and when it concluded with Akbar win this place and went Ajmer sharif and never look back to this place he neither restored it nor did repairs it just leave it as such damaged and wounded I was speechless

Radhika...I totally agree with you

hi

hi i tried to convince myself and justify jal 's behaviour towards jo after hussian's death tillnow but i failed and in any way jal's behaviour is not justified . i undestood only one thing is jo has to acept, bend, follow him whatever he says. no love no support as a husband only want child for him from jo.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Tamy

Abhay and I understand that he is feeling guilty and wants to punish himself. I have also written about this in my posts on other threads earlier.

The point we are making is that it is OK if he wants to punish himself. It is OK if he withdraws from Jodha. But IT IS NOT OK if he blames Jodha for killing the children she gave birth to under harrowing circumstances. It is NOT OK to punish her for a crime she didn't do. It IS NOT OK to NOT SUPPORT her when she NEEDS him the MOST.

Jodha is mentally strong and still holding on. If it had been someone like Ruq getting this kind of treatment from Jalal, she would have killed herself.

The point I esp wanted to make is this - Jalal's love and short temper cannot be held as excuses for his atrocious behavior towards Jodha in times of crises. TIme and again, he declares love to her passionately and then just as passionately spits venom on her. Tamy, do you really feel any woman, no matter how strong, can take this kind of treatment for a lifetime, without going insane or committing suicide?

There is nothing romantic about this behavior. It is a kind of problem that would be referred for psychological counselling nowadays.

Going beyond the show, it sends a very wrong signal to people that they can take out their temper on a hapless woman and expect her to hold on, taking everything as a manifestation of her husband's immense love for her.

Abhay also made a similar point that tough times call for tough people. That Jalal had to be tough in order to support Jodha through the crisis instead of breaking down himself and punishing her so ruthlessly.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Tamy,

Ya, it would have been best if this war was skipped. Though that too may have got Ekta brickbats from some!

I don't have any other ideas to show this war. All i know is that he was a complex guy - good, positive, interacted with intellectuals, patronized arts & literature, included non-muslims, introduced many reforms, yet fought cruel wars too. He was an enigma to most and even now, it is very difficult to understand him completely.

He was beyond Ekta's ability to portray all his shades properly. She should have left him alone.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Peepu,

Thanks for such a wonderful post - you have made some very forceful points. 😊 Each and every word is deep and meaningful. 👏

I agree that Atifa type tracks are better than the present one. And that kids should not learn wrong history.

Btw, Peepu, thanks to you, today I learnt something new - sulh-e-kul. 😊

thanks for the appreciation your post made me write this.