JA - NR at its Worst - Page 13

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I have not read all the posts on the thread, had read Abhay and Radhika's posts when she made thread but from offline. Did not get a chance to read later.

The point is if you cannot do justice to something then skip it - has Ekta shown EVERYTHING of Akbar's life till date? Then why not skip this such a sensitive Chittor war track?

This is cos she thrives on creating controversy and giving kind of "I don't care what you think" to viewers. Isn't it obvious by now that the PH Ekta and especially her CVs have no respect, sensitivity or sense of responsibility towards these hugely respected historical characters?

For her this was just a different love story in her very mundane stable of soaps. Something she can quote in few interviews nothing more.

They cannot go beyond their soaps and mundane typical sick thinking. They probably have a 20 steps manual of what her heros and heroines have to go thru the stages and this was the stage for separation. Beyond that their understanding or intellect does not go. What epic story?

They had butchered Akbar and HK long back - now they have even managed to kill the love story and Jalal killed Jodha with his words and CVs have killed Jalal. There are zee twits that Salim is on the way - so it is clear they are rushing towards SA - maybe her soap brain filled CVs are at wits end cos their 20 step manual does not tell them how to handle JA if the hero heroine fall in love and face everything together - they have no clue so they are now at a loss?

Cos unless they twist, ugly and pervert the story they don't feel satisfied - maybe they have to uglify everything. This is their way.

What was the need to show Jalal accuse Jodha to show separation? Do they have such less respect for viewers understanding and common sense? They could have shown Jalal say to Jodha that everytime he looks at her he remembers what they were doing when Hussain needed them, she reminds him of his failure as father in protecting his son - looking at her he feels overwhelming guilt for not being there for Hussain and he is sure she feels guilty too. He cannot bear to be around with her - he cannot even bear to be with his own thoughts cos they make him lose control.

He could have gone to war not listening to her they could have shown mental separation without showing him so rude to Jodha. The points is CVs and Ekta just LOVE to show Jodha humiliated and insulted again and again.

They just made Jalal a failure on so many fronts

Jalal came across as very poor father cos he did not care enough about his twins to put blame on Ruk - cos she is the single most reason Zeenat got such free access to twins. This situation arose from Ruk's hatred for Jodha and greed for Audha but Jalal does not have guts to accuse Ruk - he is so hen pecked with Ruk - no matter how Ruk insults Jodha - Jalal has NEVER STOOD UP FOR JODHA AGAINST RUK PUBLICLY.

Jalal did not accept part of HIS share of blame for the night - he told Jodha to go to Hussain in half protest but he also said lot of other things and seduced her - why does that not count?

Where is HIS share of blame for failure of security, no investigation after the fire, failure to provide security to the waris?

About the war - if they can skip so many years till Salim's birth why did they not skip the war?

At all times their mantra is Jodha has to be shown humiliated and insulted, Ruk has to be shown winning and abusive and NOT a soul in Agra having the guts to put Ruk in place. Jalal? He is a coward here who cannot stand upto Ruk, who cannot even give justice to his own sons by accusing Ruk of her part.

Be sure SA is coming and Ekta has stopped caring about JA. Aren't the lack of money spent on leads costumes, make-up, appearance or overall seedy look of the serial proof of that?

This maybe Ekta's way of telling viewers I made JA love story and I am chosing to ugly it destroy it - I can do whatever I want I am the boss, who cares what YOU want? I don't care as long as I make money.

The writer actually twits proudly instead of feeling atleast some shame at butchering this love story!

Originally posted by: Neetz

Well said Maddy. Lines in red are bang on.

Ekta can only handle SBS. I am so sure she must have got the idea from the movie so she made this her pet project. Just heard there is someone called AKBAR THE GREAT chalo let's make a show on him in my style with lots of drama and sazish. She has done no research nothing it seems. I am so miffed with this lady. Why didn't she stick to her saas bahus? She had to venture into this only to destroy the beautiful love story. She has done no justice to real Akbar and HK. Distorting history again and again in the name of NR. How can she get away with it tell me? That stupid disclaimer doesn't give her the authority to twist facts in such a horrible manner. Frankly, I am sick of that disclaimer in Om Puri's voice running before every episode. I simply mute it.🤢

All her shows have one story line- a good girl and a bad guy. The bad guy because of his ego makes the girl's life difficult and the girl sets out to change him into an 'insaan' from 'darinda'. The guy eventually falls for her,they get married, girl is turned into a martyr and the boy is rendered helpless , etc etc

P.S. sorry I made no comment on the episode as I have done that already a number of times on different threads and via PMs too. I am very frustrated with this track. Vented out a lot. Let's see what we get on Monday. This was a small part of the hatred I have for EK.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Neetz,Hey, you can't deprive me of your views just because you have posted them elsewhere.😛You can vent as much as you like. But relax, dear -this is just a serial. Don't let it upset you this festive season.😊This track, it seems, will be closed soon and Salim brought in. Let's see how they proceed thence.😊

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Kamal,

You have made a great point. 😊

The only thing I am not able to fathom is that if this Jalal is still churning out halahal, why is all that halahal being thrown on only Jodha? Why not Ruqaiyya ever? After all, she is his best friend, bachpan ki dost, his jaan begum, khaas begum, BEK, ...

Why does he put up with everything Ruq does but reserves special treatment for Jodha? (Reminds me of Abhay here 😆 ).

I don't mind his behavior, attitude, whatever. Let him go as psycho as possible. But why make him accuse Jodha so shamelessly? The rest is ok, but this bit is indigestible.

Similarly, he could have been given any reason to wage war against Chittor in the name of NR, if Ekta was so desperate to justify his actions. She could have stuck to the "sheltering rebels" clause. Why drag in the poor babies?

The sickness of the CVs mind is what is upsetting, not Jalal's jalladness or his obsession with churning halahal. 😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

Friends,

I would say that we should not go by the Zee's taglines. There was tagline of similar nature during Hasan and Husain's birth also.🤢

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Is Zee going to skip the Salim Chisti moment + pilgrimages + Rang Mahal + Sikri building before showing Salim.?. If they do it, then i will be sure they want to destroy this story.. 🥱

They may show a cursory visit to Salim Chisti (minus the pad yatra), followed by Salim's entry. I don't know if she will show FS construction - that would cost money. 😆

Actually, Zee people are a confused lot. 😕

No, they are quite clear about their agenda - confuse the viewers and keep them guessing what will happen next, so that the TRPs remain steady.

We should judge them episode by episode, and sometimes leave something for the next episode as even LOONG sequences in their episodes are sometimes dreams.😉

Anyway, Abhay, we are already stumbling like a blind-folded person in the dark. Totally unaware of what's going on and what's coming up.

Long sequences may be dreams sometimes, but long tracks are always NIGHTMARES!!!

BTW,
Does it sound like i have written a riddle here, by repeatedly using same words..?..😕.😆.

Your riddle is better than the JA episodes, which repeat the same leitmotifs, ad nauseum 😆

Originally posted by: angie321

Hi Maddy😊 I absolutely agree with you.

See the "Jodha insult" aspect would never end in the show because it is a usual,hopeful major trp puller for the show for the CVs .If you remember at the beginning of the show after Jodha's marriage,every attempt to insult Jodha by Jalal and Ruqs was hopelessly backfired on them,whether it was the chess tournament between Jodha and Ruqs or Jodha made to sing in front of the court. Jodha did not let herself get insulted and gave it back to them in a very graceful,dignified and classy way without screeching or being crassy.It was wonderful because she showed them that she was a good hearted girl but not the one to be messed with. Jalal and Ruqs set out to insult her but in turn got insulted which gave them sleepless nights! I found that very refreshing unlike the other show heroines.That was the first thing that made me love Jodha.I think the CVs originally planned this "no insult" for her character.But did the trps jump at this?No not at all!!

The first skyrocket jump of trps was when Jodha had her first major,proper insult track-the MC track🥱.Even the Ben track which involved a great deal of Jodha insult was a major trp pulling track.Hence,to ensure good trps, the CVs in every track need to tick the first point in their "trp pulling strategy" checklist and that is Jodha's insult.This is really disappointing.Hence,Jalal does not support her in front of Ruqs otherwise the CVs quota of Jodha's insult would not be fulfilled.When viewers get angry on Jalal for keeping mum, the CVs try to balance the viewers' anger by showing him to be spending his maximum time with Jodha, being romantic and doing other positive things for her.

I'm sure if the initial episodes without Jodha insult would have fetched huge trps,CVs would not have shown her insult now.Conversely,if Jodha was made to sing in court in front of everyone now,she would have easily got insulted.

If Jodha is brave enough to single handedly initiate protest against the unfair jizya system going against many powerful narrow minded individuals without fear(which is a far more difficult job than to defend herself in front of Ruqs and also even Jalal was hesitant to remove jizya in the beginning),do you think it's difficult for her or Jalal to defend herself in front of Ruqs?She doesn't get defended due to the trp game.

Hence,I don't think the insult of Jodha would ever stop even if it's for a trivial reason.In fact,Jodha's humiliation is the biggest proof that she is the true lead of a daily soap!!

CVs have not dealt with the twins death track properly at all !! When such a huge tragedy had taken place,Jalal and Jodha should have analysed the whole situation properly as to what went wrong.They would have come to the conclusion that Zeenat killed their kids,Ruks made the job a lot easier and both the parents were not there with Hussain. If Jalal wanted to blame Jodha for the night(who was not exactly guilty imo),he should have also blamed Ruks more and himself too.While accusing Jodha,he should have told Jodha that even he and Ruks share the blame.Jalal and Jodha should both have blasted Ruks. This was a serious case of his kids' death and not some stealing of a lollipop!!

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Sandhya..

I am on same terms as per the points mentioned by you. I had no problems with the Mirchi War. But i had problems with Abul Maali capturing Jalal. I had no problems with the Harem Ladies fighting for their honor, but i had problems with the torture of Jalal that too at the hands of someone of the ranks of Abul Maali.. For me, Mirchi War and Jalal torture are 2 different events. Hence, i will NOT mix up both of them. Both could have been shown in some manner, but CV's went the other way..!!.. I made a post. Here is the LINK ..

I did not like Jalal behaving in an nonsensical manner in the Atifa track.
Here are the Links. Link-1 Link-2 Link-3 and a thread .

I did not like Jodha-Khyber track and her going to help Khyber, nor i liked her outings and neither i liked Jalal shown insensitive of a pregnant wife and shouting at his UNborn Kids..
Here is the Link .

Even the conduct after after the demise of Husain towards Jodha was NOT acceptable to me. Here is the Link . Another post by Radhika on the same issue. Link

I remember a post by Radhika, where she said NR's can be taken into 2 categories.
You can have a look. Link .

I have already made postS on the topics mentioned in your post.
So, i will not talk about those topics now. :))

Right now, i was concerned with the present blunder going on, where Ekta achieved the "Pinnacle of glory" for her much talked about NR. And, this time the stakes are quite different. She is attempting to change the "ACTUAL REASONS" of the MOST HORRIFYING event of the Medieval times, which in unpalatable and it's Unacceptable..


@Pallavi..I agree with your comment about lot of NR's being done.

BUT, One, can NOT compare THIS TRACK with any NR done till now... More can be seen in this Post of mine. I have already written the reasons. Link

Just waiting to see, what happens today, though NO Hopes Left..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Sorry to say, Ekta skipped many parts...

1.
First of all, Jalal did NOT fight personally, except killing one soldier. {Can't give details of history.}😉

2.
Jauhar we all know happens at night, but Ekta ka Jauhar is pathetic, it happened in day.. 😕

3.
By the way, another nonsense, Jaimal was hit by Jalal's bullet "at night", while he was inspecting repairs of Fort Walls, but Ekta showed it happened in war in DAY openly..👎🏼

4. Ekta needs to inspect the Fort Gates of Chittor...The gates remained intact in a siege of 4 months, here she has showed it broken by wood logs..😕

Anyways, it was OK, she has NOT shown the massacre..Otherwise pata nahi kya hota..

I will see complete episode and then post my views, if possible, Busy now. 😊

Precap:
I won't be shocked if Jalal kills BOTH the Lady and Child. 🥱