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@Arieltabi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: mandyg

i agree with your mom and moti also gave her the rt advice but maahri jodha sune tab na😆

My mom said the exactthing thing. Moti gave her right advice Par Jodha sunti hi nahi.

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Shraddha

@lashy

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Posted: 11 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: Mages

perfectly said mandyg... ⭐️
thats what life is all abt... 😭

This has got NOTHING to do with Atifa track or of Epic romance... This has got nothing to do with Jodha and Jalal or about polygamy

Just about why men in general stray more than women do... from a biology student's perspective!

Why do women cry more than men do?

Why do women get more emotional over sad/disturbing scenes than men do?

Why are women more in need of romance/social/emotional security than men do?

The only answer is hormones ^^^

Similarly, why is physical attraction more prevalent in men than in women?

The only answer in hormones ^^^

I'm strictly against both, MCPs and extreme feminists.. I believe in an equal society.. BUT and a big BUT... nature/biology has not made man and woman the same.

Sorry for a crash course on biology... but, men have about 10 times the amount of testosterone in them as women and this is a hormone that links physical needs of a man to his emotions. If women had that much testosterone in their bodies what's to say they'd also not start behaving this way... when women are given testosterone injections, many complain of feeling the same symptoms too 😆 if you know what I mean!

We as women try and equate 'When we can be so loyal/faithful in mind/body to men why can't they?'

True, as women we are able to cos our bodies/minds are more suited to be formulated that way...men CAN BE just as loyal/faithful too and thankfully most of the decent educated men in India are today!

However, it takes THAT MUCH more of commitment from a man to be faithful towards a woman - especially towards those who disregard his physical needs as a 'brief phase' rather than as a 'need'

We are happy to say a woman needs to be shown love in the form of hugs and cards and lovey dovey texts, but we don't realize that a man has his own form of expectations too.

Simply put, if you ask a man he'd say he derives his emotional security from a woman through her touch and woman would say she derives her emotional security from a man through his words/gestures! (Yes she needs touch too and he needs gestures too - but the balance pretty much tilts in this favour)

^^^ This is not something I'm making up... you can google it all up... 😊

So, while I have no sympathy for straying men - I have far far more respect for a man who stays loyal to his wife - and all the more when the woman dismisses his needs as something trivial. (I say this because I have seen women discuss it this way)

That's why I think over the years it's less shocking to see a straying man than to see a straying woman. Similarly, society is just as cruel to emotional/weepy men - most who see a woman cry would go 'awww' but if they saw a man cry one too many times, most would go 'Shut up and man up!'

Again, this is not something to do with Jalal and Jodha at all. This is my views on the general expectations across the forum and skewed views of men vs women without understanding that there is more than just black and white areas in all this.. 😊

Edited by lashy - 11 years ago

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..Anusha..

@..Anusha..

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Posted: 11 years ago

#33

@lashy, from a purely biological pov, I agree. From the pov of an impractical love story in 16th century Agra...I don't know where to position my radar 😆

but if anyone has seen The White Queen or the milder Reign , medieval European royals 100 years before Akbar and also right at the same time were busy letting all hormones rage as well as murder every brother who stood between them and the throne. So JA is very very sanitized and mild. MC and the Kabul contingent are pussycats, for Agra fort residents Tansen's concerts and jashns is as dangerous as it gets.

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@_shadesnature_

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Posted: 11 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: mandyg

and that is exactly what i m trying to say that jodha was not wise enough to handle jalal tactfully, she was too blunt in her approach..she should have been smart enough to measure his anger and act accordingly!

. And sometime dear (sorry if getting so much philospher) that sometime u have to ignore ur close ones n if u have to stop them doing the mistake u have to be wise enough n. Should check for the right time

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ngayou

@ngayou

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Posted: 11 years ago

#35

Mandy, can agree with ur post & the points stated basing it on the premise that Jalal is 'not acting' with papitaji & he s really on the rebound bcos of Jo s recent behaviour with him regarding Khybu. But here Jallu was shown already taken up with papita s errr beauty 😲 😲 before that Khybu thing happened , so I d prefer not to believe on the rebound theory for Jallu right now. Kya yaar, kal hi I decided to become proJallu for the return of TE in this track & u seem to have written for a Jatifa lubb ishtoryy 😉 .

But if it s shown that Jo realises that she is going wrong in taking Jalal for granted mostly that ll be more than enough for all of us, but I doubt this bcos of Ek s extreme feministic stand 😛 . Just hoping we dont get a crawling repentant Jallu again at the end of this track 😕 .

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mishtidoi

@mishtidoi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: PadBear
@lashy, from a purely biological pov, I agree. From the pov of an impractical love story in 16th century Agra...I don't know where to position my radar 😆

but if anyone has seen The White Queen or the milder Reign , medieval European royals 100 years before Akbar and also right at the same time were busy letting all hormones rage as well as murder every brother who stood between them and the throne. So JA is very very sanitized and mild. MC and the Kabul contingent are pussycats, for Agra fort residents Tansen's concerts and jashns is as dangerous as it gets.

Paddy, after watching Reign...am like less annoyed with all the JA NR😆

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Shraddha

@lashy

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Posted: 11 years ago

#37

By the way my points on men and their needs were for women/men in normal relationships..

Where a bit of TLC from the wife can go a long long way in ensuring her husband is hers in body/mind/soul - and nip any such issues in the bud!

Not for darned politicians who use the phrase 'men have needs' to justify the actions of their sons/nephews as they go about violating young girls

They all need to be publicly lynched (both the sons and the fathers)

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Ashwini

@aashyagh

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#38

Mandy very well written, as usual I did not watch the entire episiode, watched in pieces, but loved what Moti said to Jodha, if she concentrates on her life and her husband more it will be good for her and she will know what is happening in her life, she should stop taking things for granted. Relationship is not easy to handle, there are lot of ups and downs. If I love someone doesn't mean that, I cannot get distracted, and there can be lot of reasons for it, and specially a spouse will be a reason for it. If Jalal is not faking it (I know he is doing wrong) but men are emotionally weak. And Jodha always expects from him (I know I will get lot of belans for this). But it is the fact, risking your life is not everything. You care for his family, no doubt, but give time for him and him only. At times pls do accept his decisions to keep him happy even if it is not right for you, it can be right for him. Both need to go lot further in their relationship. Jalal is impulsive, and getting out of old habits is difficult, so he may take time.

Still... I feel that Jalal is faking it because, I would hav accepted if he said, he is just attracted to her and he wants her, but he saying he loves Atifa and doesn't love Jodha is making me hard to believe, specially when she is carrying your child which you have yearned for so long.

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: susantogiaa
i agree jodha was wrong but we cant forgot kairbar is the person who save jodha from mahachuchak sipahi if kairbar dont save jodha that time then jodha was not in mahal this time but jodha was in mahachuchak jail i knw jodha should not pressure jalal to change his decision infront of full awaam but both are right in theses on place...and small fight its normal between one couple but its doesn't mean you cheat ur partner when she is pregnant u should only think about ur kids and wife and forgot what she did...and i love jodha in yesterday episode she feel she did wrong and she badly want to talk with jalal poor jodha was searching 4 jalal and jalal was busy in romancing with atifa many people saying jalal is pretending i dont know about this but cv make us this much irritated we cant control our self to bash jalal becoz there are showing disgusting scene as truth of adkdha fan i know we should believe jalal but i cant digest theses thing and jalal with atifa🥱

Susan

Khaibar was not just the person who saved jodha but also the one who kidnapped her. Had he not carried her away the situation to save wouldn't have arisen. Khaibar also tried to kill jalal. How is Jalal supposed to look at him. Just because jodha calls him good or Khaiber is lattoo over his queen jalal CANNOT forgive him. Jodha also went against Todarmal and supported Shehnaaz na. Her judgement is not always right na? What if Khaibar really kidnaps jo away once again? Jalal will think of such a possibility too.

And for an emperor with n number of wives where is the question of infidelity? He did romance with jodha when Ruqaiya was pregnant. ( fake though he didn't know at that time). Was that okay if his romancing with atifa when jodha is pregnant is wrong? The point is he is not forcing Atifa. I don't see it wrong. (Except that I don't see anything worthwhile in that papaya to oggle at publicly)

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#40

Beautiful post mandy

I hope both jo and jalal learn their lessons at the end of the track. That would be a mature way to wind up the track. The scenario that scares me is jo mahaan and jallu buddhu and jallu crying.

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